exsanguis Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Hey guys, So I'm still smashing out potential lists in my effort to finally decide which Legion I'd like to do next. This is what I've come up with for the 13th (it's a bit gun-line for my tastes but I think that's the best way to get the most out of the inter-locking fire rule): Ultramarines 3000 (2995pts)Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness)HQLegion PraetorArtificer Armour, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Melta Bombs, Paragon Blade Invictarus Suzerain Squad5x Invictarus Suzerains Land Raider PhobosArmoured Ceramite, Frag Assault Launchers, Multi-melta TroopsLegion Breacher Siege Squad14x Legion Breacher Siege Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, 3x Melta gun Legion Breacher Siege SergeantArtificer Armour, Melta Bombs Legion Tactical Squad14x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade Legion Tactical SergeantArtificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon Legion Tactical Squad14x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade Legion Tactical SergeantArtificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon ElitesApothecarion DetachmentLegion ApothecaryArtificer Armour, Augury Scanner Legion ApothecaryArtificer Armour, Augury Scanner Legion ApothecaryArtificer Armour, Augury Scanner Legion Rapier Weapons BatteryLegion Rapier Weapons BatteryLaser Destroyer Array Legion Rapier Weapons BatteryLaser Destroyer Array Heavy SupportLegion Fire Raptor GunshipReaper Autocannon battery Legion Heavy Support Squad4x Legion Space Marines, Missile Launchers Legion SergeantAugury Scanner Legion Sicaran Battle TankArmoured Ceramite, Lascannons LegionLegion AstartesXIII: Ultramarines Lord of WarLegion FellbladeArmoured Ceramite, Space Marine Legion Crew, Twin-Linked Bolter Tactics for the list are nice and simple: let the heavy stuff focus down threats to themselves and the blobs, whilst the enemy infantry smash themselves on my line, with the Praetor & Friends in their Land Raider acting as the counter-assault unit. Importantly, I already own the Fire Raptor, Rapiers and Fellbade, so that will save me some $$$. UNFORTUNATELY, I think it would be a shame to go the XIII Legion and NOT use the Praetorian armor sets from Forge World (thereby bankrupting me). Also, I think UM have the greatest scope for variety in a Legion list. I know that all the Legions were quite varied, but any of the Rite of War lists seem to be a perfect fit for them fluff-wise. Maybe this is just a residual part of my 40k mentality creeping in, but they really do seem like the one size fits all Legion where you could plonk any old list down and it wouldn't be out of place. What do you guys think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311555-3k-ultramarines/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Drop the Frag Assault Launchers on the Land Raider - your guys have grenades already (they're only helpful for charging Terminators). I'd be tempted to swap the Breachers for a 3rd Tactical squad - saves you 80 points and I think you'll get a lot more out of them. Breachers are great in Zone Mortalis, but unless you're running the Imperial Fists "Stone Gauntlet" RoW, I think they're a bit lacklustre (especially compared to the Suzerains). Rapiers are gold - maybe grab a 3rd one for some more anti-tank? And you haven't got much anti-air (unless the Heavy Support Squad has flakk missiles). Still, I'd take a Deredeo over the HSS any day. Apart from that, the general format of the list looks pretty good to me! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311555-3k-ultramarines/#findComment-4130483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
exsanguis Posted July 29, 2015 Author Share Posted July 29, 2015 Thanks for the pointers. I've made some amendments: Ultramarines 3000 (3005pts) Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List (Age of Darkness) HQ Legion PraetorArtificer Armour, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Melta Bombs, Paragon Blade Invictarus Suzerain Squad5x Invictarus Suzerains Land Raider PhobosArmoured Ceramite, Multi-melta Troops Legion Tactical Squad14x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade Legion Tactical SergeantArtificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon Legion Tactical Squad14x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade Legion Tactical SergeantArtificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon Legion Tactical Squad14x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade Legion Tactical SergeantArtificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon Elites Apothecarion Detachment Legion ApothecaryArtificer Armour, Augury Scanner Legion ApothecaryArtificer Armour, Augury Scanner Legion ApothecaryArtificer Armour, Augury Scanner Legion Rapier Weapons Battery Legion Rapier Weapons BatteryLaser Destroyer Array Legion Rapier Weapons BatteryLaser Destroyer Array Legion Rapier Weapons BatteryLaser Destroyer Array Heavy Support Deredeo Pattern DreadnoughtAiolos Missile Launcher Legion Fire Raptor GunshipReaper Autocannon battery Legion Sicaran Battle TankArmoured Ceramite, Lascannons Legion Legion AstartesXIII: Ultramarines Lord of War Legion FellbladeArmoured Ceramite, Space Marine Legion Crew Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311555-3k-ultramarines/#findComment-4131016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Looks good to me! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311555-3k-ultramarines/#findComment-4131130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
exsanguis Posted July 29, 2015 Author Share Posted July 29, 2015 Thanks. I must admit, I'm now 90% certain I will be going Ultramarines this time round. And the Deredeo is growing on me also. Might even grab two! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311555-3k-ultramarines/#findComment-4131167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Looks good. I'd drop the Breachers and the Heavy Support squad for a Deredeo as well. Also consider dropping the Apothecaries and running 10 man tac squads in Rhinos - it works better this way with Interlocking Tactics. This would free up points for things like Thudd Guns :-D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311555-3k-ultramarines/#findComment-4132117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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