AlphariusOmegon108 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Well, his artificer armor with refractor covers that :D I used the primarch rule because it incoperates all the rules I wanted to use for him anyway, so it was easier to just use that rule name. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312431-rules-primarch-and-legion/page/10/#findComment-4163802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Well, his artificer armor with refractor covers that I used the primarch rule because it incoperates all the rules I wanted to use for him anyway, so it was easier to just use that rule name. Well, the Artificer armor and Refractor Field aren't in the Wargear part of his profile, hence why I was asking :p Care to explain how/why all the Primarch Rules would fit for someone who isn't a Primarch? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312431-rules-primarch-and-legion/page/10/#findComment-4163803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 oh, missed that :p well, like I said. he is a primarch equillavent. He is the father of Alexos and a godlike being, so the primarch rule felt quiete fitting, even while fluff wise he is not a primarch but just a large suit of armor that is warp fueled and can have a good match against a few primarchs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312431-rules-primarch-and-legion/page/10/#findComment-4163807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Squig Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 If we're being petty (a task which I am always up to), there are a few rules that jump out at me as either unneeded or requiring a little explanation: Adamantium Will, Fleet, IWND. Although those could be justified. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312431-rules-primarch-and-legion/page/10/#findComment-4163809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Perhaps maybe he should be a daemon prince or some such. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312431-rules-primarch-and-legion/page/10/#findComment-4163811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) adamantium will: he is litterly a soul in a suit of armor held in by deamonic runes, he is a warp fueled guy, he would know how to ignore enemy spells fleet: his jump pack and being a deamon should give enough explenation :p Iwnd: see explenation 1 about this.. I think xD and rather not a deamon, he is supposed to be very knowledged in the way of the warp, not a slave of thw warp ;) Edited September 4, 2015 by AlphariusOmegon108 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312431-rules-primarch-and-legion/page/10/#findComment-4163814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Squig Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) Also, am I right picturing Sagitarii like this? http://i.imgur.com/9lVyPHt.jpg EDIT: Did not see the jump pack, fleet makes a lot more sense now Edited September 4, 2015 by Big Bad Squig Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312431-rules-primarch-and-legion/page/10/#findComment-4163815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 more like this ;) http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o11/Asdrubael108/Mobile%20Uploads/20150904_224137_zpsji5rgxao.jpg Big Bad Squig 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312431-rules-primarch-and-legion/page/10/#findComment-4163817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Squig Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) Those models seem to be seeing a lot of use... http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll24/demarcs/S1400001_zpsns3kargh.jpg DRAMATIC REVEAL! Edited September 4, 2015 by Big Bad Squig AlphariusOmegon108 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312431-rules-primarch-and-legion/page/10/#findComment-4163819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 DUN DUN DUNNNN have a like Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312431-rules-primarch-and-legion/page/10/#findComment-4163821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) To me, it would be a bit more fitting for him to be a Daemon Prince / Greater Daemon even if he isn't a Slave to Chaos due to his Nature as essentially being one. Edited September 4, 2015 by Slipstreams Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312431-rules-primarch-and-legion/page/10/#findComment-4163828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 and rather not a deamon, he is supposed to be very knowledged in the way of the warp, not a slave of thw warp ;) To be knowledgable of the warp is to be a slave to it. You do not control the warp, the warp controls everything! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312431-rules-primarch-and-legion/page/10/#findComment-4163829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Each to his own I guess :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312431-rules-primarch-and-legion/page/10/#findComment-4163832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) How is Sagitarii remaining in the material realm if he is pure warp essence? I always thought that beings of the warp needed a host to stay in the material universe Also: Using AoS models trooper? *blam* Edited September 4, 2015 by Sigismund229 Big Bad Squig 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312431-rules-primarch-and-legion/page/10/#findComment-4163835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) He is not pure warp essence... He is a soul trapped by Alexos in a suit of armor (I dont even wanna know how Alexos did that... probably a very creepy way knowing him...) Oh, I have so much more AoS models for 30k coming Edited September 4, 2015 by AlphariusOmegon108 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312431-rules-primarch-and-legion/page/10/#findComment-4163836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Squig Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Not using, but liberating. The stormcasts are sitting in my room, thanking me for granting them the ability to have a points cost, a toughness value and decent backstory. AlphariusOmegon108 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312431-rules-primarch-and-legion/page/10/#findComment-4163838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) Heresy everywhere! Call the Inquisition! *blam* *blam*(takes out a flamer) kill it with fire brothers! Edited September 4, 2015 by Sigismund229 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312431-rules-primarch-and-legion/page/10/#findComment-4163841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Wow. Hadn't really look through the new models properly before now. Been too annoyed by the sweeping changes to Fantasy to really want to, but those Paladin models with sword-spears are really quite cool. It's a bit of a pity about the price tag, but might try to get some of those bits for conversions along the line. Big Bad Squig 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312431-rules-primarch-and-legion/page/10/#findComment-4163854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 The AoS kits are pretty sweet overall, almost bought some of the Chaos guys to be gene-altered Berserkers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312431-rules-primarch-and-legion/page/10/#findComment-4163994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 (edited) Hi guys. Thought I'd give you all a bit of an update on where I am with running Primarch vs Primarch duels for our Insurrection. Using Simison's model for running the combats I have thus far faced K'awil against Alexos, Alexandros(with Xiphos), Jackel, Coch'ise and I've done one duel for Pionus. The wins/losses currently stack thus: K'awil 3-0 Alexos K'awil 2-1 Alexandros K'awil 2-1 Jackel K'awil 3-0 Coch'ise K'awil 0-1 Pionus The victory count doesn't give the whole story though. For example when facing Jackel two of the three matches were complete nail-biters I was on the edge of my seat as it came down to their last wounds. Whereas the one match against Pionus was a complete curbstomp. 11 rounds of combat resulted in one dead K'awil and Pionus on... 6 wounds. Yes that's right full wounds, the only damage he took (2 wounds total over the whole combat) he regenerated with his IWND. Based off of that so far I am going to make a couple of suggestions for alterations. Alexos: I think that he should go back to having a +2S weapon. He only has 4 attacks and it is two-handed, so I think the bonus is pretty justified. Alexandros: With Xiphos he and K'awil stacked up well against each other. When I get round to using the Spear of Terra I think that the balance will swing the other way. Which it should IMO at that point discrepancy. Jackel: All these matches were tight, but I think that he could do with a small boost along the lines of Master-crafted on his Axe. Also there is currently no reason to us his bite over his axe. An alternative to the MC axe could be to make the bite an additional attack that works in the same way as a servo-arm. So that will give him a use for it and add a little buff to his fighting ability. Coch'ise: Currently he needs something to boost his prowess in combat. Particularly as he only has a 5+ inv. My note have him at 450 points, but my gut would put him down at the 400 mark, maybe even lower. Giving him some way of getting re-rolls to hit or wound, would to me be warranted as he is currently weedier than even K'awil. Pionus: Where to start I really think he needs to be slightly toned down somewhere. His Initiative is really too high for someone who is supposed to be outlasting his opponent with enormous stamina. I also think his overall toughness needs a small reduction too as at the moment he takes on average 0.86 wounds from a charging Angron. And this is the highest average of anyone at any time. The mean of all the Primarchs is 0.39 wounds on the charge. I think even a minor change like not letting him roll FNP againts Instant Death attacks would be enough to tweak those odds just a little in everyone else's favour. A little something I just remembered to point out is that due to IWND Primarchs regain roughly 0.17 W/combat round. Currently there are 6 Primarchs who deal 0.2 or less wounds per combat round and thus end up doing basically no damage to him in perpetuity. Edited September 6, 2015 by Grifftofer simison and Slips 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312431-rules-primarch-and-legion/page/10/#findComment-4165054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Okay ^^ +2S it is Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312431-rules-primarch-and-legion/page/10/#findComment-4165065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 I second those thoughts on Pionius. When I've tested him against Hectarion(whose a monster in close combat) he always won and the lowest I got him was 3 wounds. He should be toned down and I think probably have his points cost bumped up a bit Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312431-rules-primarch-and-legion/page/10/#findComment-4165113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 I second those thoughts on Pionius. When I've tested him against Hectarion(whose a monster in close combat) he always won and the lowest I got him was 3 wounds. He should be toned down and I think probably have his points cost bumped up a bit In the process of rewording some stuff - for points hes already at 480 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312431-rules-primarch-and-legion/page/10/#findComment-4165120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Hectarion is 475 points and the fights between him and Pionus were still very one sided. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312431-rules-primarch-and-legion/page/10/#findComment-4165122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Hectarion is 475 points and the fights between him and Pionus were still very one sided. What I mostly meant was that I wont be bumping his points up - Im not going to make him cost as much as Horus but, instead bring his relative power down to be more in line with that cost. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312431-rules-primarch-and-legion/page/10/#findComment-4165138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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