Grifftofer Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Simison, was just writing out personal copies of the rules of all our Primarchs so I can test them agaisnt one another and spotted one small thing on the Jade General's rules. Under his Three Elements rule in the Water section he gains Precision Strikes. He actually already has this rule as of the last round of FAQs I believe that all Primarchs got both Precision Shots and Strikes. So you could maybe increase his Precision Strikes to happening on a 5+ or come up with a different rule, possibly Blind to represent the subtle and dangerous motion of his attacks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Griff, I'll have some refreshed rules for Morro later tonight for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 @ Chief Captain Redd. What if Daer'dd's Stormwalker were like the Personal Teleporter Grey Knight Nemesis Dreadknights can take. Changes him to Jump Infantry so he can Deep Strike, maybe without scatter or with reduced scatter, has 12 inch move in the movement phase and once per game he gets to move up to 30 inches but cannot charge if he does so. @ Alpharius Glad Niklaas comes off as balanced that's what I strive for in all things. Balance. I based it off the old Warp Spider warp jump generator, as that's where he based the tech from in the fluff. Unfortunately I can't play test either but. I do think your Dreadknight esque rules seem a bit more elegant for a Primarch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 26, 2015 Author Share Posted August 26, 2015 Simison, was just writing out personal copies of the rules of all our Primarchs so I can test them agaisnt one another and spotted one small thing on the Jade General's rules. Under his Three Elements rule in the Water section he gains Precision Strikes. He actually already has this rule as of the last round of FAQs I believe that all Primarchs got both Precision Shots and Strikes. So you could maybe increase his Precision Strikes to happening on a 5+ or come up with a different rule, possibly Blind to represent the subtle and dangerous motion of his attacks? Precision Strike on a 5+ sounds more reasonable. As fancy as his martial arts gets, I don't think Jay could blind people with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Simison, was just writing out personal copies of the rules of all our Primarchs so I can test them agaisnt one another and spotted one small thing on the Jade General's rules. Under his Three Elements rule in the Water section he gains Precision Strikes. He actually already has this rule as of the last round of FAQs I believe that all Primarchs got both Precision Shots and Strikes. So you could maybe increase his Precision Strikes to happening on a 5+ or come up with a different rule, possibly Blind to represent the subtle and dangerous motion of his attacks? Precision Strike on a 5+ sounds more reasonable. As fancy as his martial arts gets, I don't think Jay could blind people with them. I was seeing double after a nunchaku incident once, don't doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 And he Could throw needles through the visor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Ok. So it's taken me a while, but I've got a very rough analysis of almost all the Primarchs according to their pure hitting ability, on a per attack basis. Basically I can tell you the percentage chance of any given Primarch causing a wound on any other factoring in all of their charging bonuses, weapons, armour, FNP etc. It's actually proven quite informative from my point of view as it gives me an idea of how good everyone is on attack and defense. For example Angron is unsurprisingly the most killy Primarch on the Charge, but after he charges it is Raktra who edges him out. So overall I suspect that Raktra would do more damage in a duel. And by far the most survivable is Pionus who will at worst suffer a wound 12% of the time (Vs a charging Angron). Honestly he may even be too tough still :S. I will make my excel files available once they are complete for people to look at if they wish, I just need to wait for the last Primarchs to come in. One thing that it would be awesome if people could help me with. Could Hectarion, Kozja, Niklaas and Azus describe the type of weapons that they wield as I'm trying to work out who is affected by Coch'ise' Oaken Plate. Any specific Questions feel free to ask. I'll do my best to answer them in a useful way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 What about Gwal? how did he fare? was the ruleset a good choice? and after testing him. How much should he cost? Thx for all your efforts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 As he stands at the moment Gwalchavad is one of the weaker Primarchs is terms of combat ability, according to his base stat-line at least. He has a less than 10% chance per attack of causing a wound when he goes up against 12 of his brothers and his best chace of wounding is 17%. Of course he does have a high base number of attacks and gets more as the battle goes on, so he isn't at the very bottom, just near to it. Points-wise I'd say he's probably worth around the 430 region as he stands at the moment. Because he has really good speed and manoeuvrability and he generally improves as the battle goes on. So what he loses out on at the beginning he gets back towards the end of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 And how did Alexos fare? Be intresting to hear other peoples experiences with him :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) So would you suggest to up him a little bit? Did he survive long enough so that his rules play out? Edited August 27, 2015 by MikhalLeNoir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Squig Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 I may well do my own tests as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Ah. I should probably point out that as of yet I have only done statistical tests of the various combatants. So everyone is getting precisely average rolls and such. So I don't have rounds of combat fought, but I could work out how many rounds on average it would take them each to kill one another. I know that it doesn't represent what happens in the various duels that people run, but I find it useful to compare using this method as I'm not subject to crazy rolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Ok. So it's taken me a while, but I've got a very rough analysis of almost all the Primarchs according to their pure hitting ability, on a per attack basis. Basically I can tell you the percentage chance of any given Primarch causing a wound on any other factoring in all of their charging bonuses, weapons, armour, FNP etc. It's actually proven quite informative from my point of view as it gives me an idea of how good everyone is on attack and defense. For example Angron is unsurprisingly the most killy Primarch on the Charge, but after he charges it is Raktra who edges him out. So overall I suspect that Raktra would do more damage in a duel. And by far the most survivable is Pionus who will at worst suffer a wound 12% of the time (Vs a charging Angron). Honestly he may even be too tough still :S. I will make my excel files available once they are complete for people to look at if they wish, I just need to wait for the last Primarchs to come in. One thing that it would be awesome if people could help me with. Could Hectarion, Kozja, Niklaas and Azus describe the type of weapons that they wield as I'm trying to work out who is affected by Coch'ise' Oaken Plate. Any specific Questions feel free to ask. I'll do my best to answer them in a useful way. Niklaas' Redeemer is a warhammer, in the historical style. Square head with the corners of the striking face extended into points and a large curved spike on the reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) Godstooth is essentialy just a very big chainaxe Edited August 27, 2015 by Sigismund229 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Ah. So you didn't use.the full.rule set? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Niklaas' Redeemer is a warhammer, in the historical style. Square head with the corners of the striking face extended into points and a large curved spike on the reverse. So probably a bit like Eidolon's ? Or bigger ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 The Grinder is a chainsword that has basically a mouth in the middle to chew things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 The Grinder is a chainsword that has basically a mouth in the middle to chew things. Nice weapon;) Can I have one too? Raktra 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Niklaas' Redeemer is a warhammer, in the historical style. Square head with the corners of the striking face extended into points and a large curved spike on the reverse. So probably a bit like Eidolon's ? Or bigger ? Similar style just primarch sized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I edited Niklaas to clarify the TrueSilver rule. I also removed Unweildy from his hammer. He's only I5 so he's going last most times anyway. Ferrus and Vulkan are both I5 so it seems reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I edited Niklaas to clarify the TrueSilver rule. I also removed Unweildy from his hammer. He's only I5 so he's going last most times anyway. Ferrus and Vulkan are both I5 so it seems reasonable. With a Single Melee Weapon Profile like Ferrus and Vulkan, thats fair. If he was like Gulliman or Horus, then Unwieldy would have had to stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) Sagitarii the reborn, the godfather, the semi living, the unseeing eye 365pts Ws7 bs4 s5 t6 w5 i7 a5 ld10 sv2+/5++ Wargear: The godsmasher hammer refractor field artificer armor frag/krak grenades jump pack The temper claw Angellike (For use against BoU) special rules: primarch furious charge deamon rage The godsmasher hammer: S+2 ap2 murderous strike, rending, armorbane, two handed The temper claw: R12" S6 Ap3, assault 3, rending So why is he so cheap? Well, he is supposed to be a primarch equillavent, but without the army wide buffs, and only 5 wounds and S5, so in all seriousness, he is a beatstick with not tooooo great weaponry or stats This is the representation of Sagitarii, the first tutor and father of Alexos. Sagitarii at some point dies because emperor reasons, but Alexos brings his dad back in a white suit of armor, putting the lost soul in the armor, kinda like the thousand sons ;) thoughts? Edited September 4, 2015 by AlphariusOmegon108 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 actually he is stronger than gwal^^ but i see why the white armor....gwals bling has his work on alexos AlphariusOmegon108 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Does he have an actual suit of Armor? Also, if he's not a Primarch, why does he have the Primarch Special Rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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