bluntblade Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 See, that's an issue in and of itself. When Primarchs nearly fight with lethal intent in canon, it's for much more severe reasons. We run the risk of making Morro look so dangerous and immoral that Russ and Gwal are idiots not to just kill him or at least hand him over to the Emperor, certainly not let him storm out of the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Well, Gwal is a bit naive. But i get your point^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Russ isn't, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Held back by the second idealist °_° Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Huh Don't ask me why but I got a steampunk-ish aquanaut in mind. Like those big dudes from Bioshok but mway more detailed and 40K ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Might be worth noting that Azus also sports an augmetic arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) I knew Azus was bad-ass.   But really? I totally missed that.  @Kel: jap. Sort of..although i go more into the dancer aesthetics  Edit: this must ne fate Edited September 18, 2017 by MikhalLeNoir Kelborn 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 To answer your other question, Mikhal, I suppose it is. Granted, a description did make its way to Nicolas, and Hesh did leave notes. So, an entirely new armour could or should be explained as another piece of Morro's armoury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Might be worth noting that Azus also sports an augmetic arm. How did Azus lose an arm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Â Might be worth noting that Azus also sports an augmetic arm.How did Azus lose an arm? I recall it being just his hand unless that's been retconned, again if I recall correctly he tore it off breaking free of his restraints when he escaped captivity on Dhul'hasa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Like this? Don't know much about Azus, so I don't know what restraints you meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Yeah like that, minus bashing it off with the rock, he just straight up tore it off with his strength. He was secured to a dissection table (the Dhul'hasans had captured him and were dissecting him to try and reverse-engineer his superhuman abilities) with restraints built into the corners and just tore his own hand off as he tried to break free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Held back by the second idealist °_°  Rereading this debate again, I'm confused. If Morro really meant to kill Russ, what's to stop Russ from hunting him down later with Gwal absent? What's to stop Russ from informing the Emperor who might view this as the final straw given Morro's already on thin ice after the Dark Eldar incident? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017  Held back by the second idealist °_°   Rereading this debate again, I'm confused. If Morro really meant to kill Russ, what's to stop Russ from hunting him down later with Gwal absent? What's to stop Russ from informing the Emperor who might view this as the final straw given Morro's already on thin ice after the Dark Eldar incident? In the timeline could it be possible that the [REDACTED] incident happened before [REDACTED] had time to go after Morro. Kelborn 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 What Demus said. Â It is very similar to the thing Kurze did with Dorn, although Morro would have had a more deadly intent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017  Held back by the second idealist °_°   Rereading this debate again, I'm confused. If Morro really meant to kill Russ, what's to stop Russ from hunting him down later with Gwal absent? What's to stop Russ from informing the Emperor who might view this as the final straw given Morro's already on thin ice after the Dark Eldar incident? And copying in Hec and others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 What Demus said.  It is very similar to the thing Kurze did with Dorn, although Morro would have had a more deadly intent  Except that doesn't make sense. Konrad was placed under arrest for his assault against Dorn, only to fight his way out. And then when the Imperium tried to bring him back in, he destroyed Nostramo. Not long after, the Emperor actually gave a recall order for the entire Legion.  The sole reason the Night Haunter and his Night Lords escape from the Emperor's Justice is because of the Heresy.  Here, we are decades removed from the Insurrection, and the Emperor is still in command of the Great Crusade. And now you're telling me that Morro was trying harder to kill a fellow Primarch than what Konrad did. I'm sorry, but this situation looks untenable. This might also be an artifact from in the early days when the Insurrection was simply 7 years and other ideas that were simply copying canon.  What are some solutions for this scenario that doesn't leave Morro dead or in chains? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017  What Demus said. It is very similar to the thing Kurze did with Dorn, although Morro would have had a more deadly intent   Except that doesn't make sense. Konrad was placed under arrest for his assault against Dorn, only to fight his way out. And then when the Imperium tried to bring him back in, he destroyed Nostramo. Not long after, the Emperor actually gave a recall order for the entire Legion.  The sole reason the Night Haunter and his Night Lords escape from the Emperor's Justice is because of the Heresy.  Here, we are decades removed from the Insurrection, and the Emperor is still in command of the Great Crusade. And now you're telling me that Morro was trying harder to kill a fellow Primarch than what Konrad did. I'm sorry, but this situation looks untenable. This might also be an artifact from in the early days when the Insurrection was simply 7 years and other ideas that were simply copying canon.  What are some solutions for this scenario that doesn't leave Morro dead or in chains?  In the discussion between blunt and me the poison with the intent to kill was an option, ruled out by blunt. So he attacks Russ, Gwal reacts. By the way this is lore when the insurrections was still about 30 years long.  1. However Let's play this through in 2 versions.. Russ and Morro hate each other. But because there should be no war between the Brothers the two should talk and Gwal and Alex are there as moderator. Russ and Morro play a game of [redacted] and over the course of the game argue with other. Russ has the upper hand and provokes Morro. Morro short tempered as he is attacks with his fist, the playboard etc. Russ. Gwal and Alex separate them, however as Russ is Russ he might let a last remark slip and Morro draws his Blades suddenly and slashes for Russ and would have hit him if not for Gwal who ( my prefered version) draws his tonfas and alters the strike because he cuts of the arm or his blade went accidentally through and cuts the arm off. Of course it would work with getting one of Morros blades and deflect the strike too. But it is too long. See this more as official Negotiation instead of a peaceful game between 2 brothers. The hurt Morro curses the 3 remaining primarchs and went off. Isolating himself from his brethren  Would the emperor lay chains on Morro? I doubt it. He got his fair share and Russ, hot headed as he is provoked Morro. Was Angron sanctiomed or Russ after the Night of the Wolf or after Johnsom and he foight? ( sure if there was poison on the blade it is different, but that was ruled out) Would Russ try to hunt Morro down? Most likely if there wasn't Alex around who I guess would talk sense into Russ and showed him his fault too and bad behavior too.  2. But if we play the poison game: maybe alex would have talked russ out of it? He does not know that the blade was poisoned and does not know if morro would attack. He simply saw a multitude of ossible futures and habing gwal in the same room could Influence his forsight. But he saw something and so he took his weapons with him and advised gwal to do the same.  So when all this happened, he has to conaider that Russ had an active part in the whole mess and did not stop provoking Morro and he takes into account rhat Morro lost an arm..so he could have talked Russ out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited)  What Demus said.  It is very similar to the thing Kurze did with Dorn, although Morro would have had a more deadly intent  Except that doesn't make sense. Konrad was placed under arrest for his assault against Dorn, only to fight his way out. And then when the Imperium tried to bring him back in, he destroyed Nostramo. Not long after, the Emperor actually gave a recall order for the entire Legion.  The sole reason the Night Haunter and his Night Lords escape from the Emperor's Justice is because of the Heresy.  Here, we are decades removed from the Insurrection, and the Emperor is still in command of the Great Crusade. And now you're telling me that Morro was trying harder to kill a fellow Primarch than what Konrad did. I'm sorry, but this situation looks untenable. This might also be an artifact from in the early days when the Insurrection was simply 7 years and other ideas that were simply copying canon.  What are some solutions for this scenario that doesn't leave Morro dead or in chains?   I assume that you meant it that way but just to clarify some things:  Kurze and his Legion went to far by using fear more and more, creating entire skinning pits, etc. Dorn confronts Curze and Curze attacks Dorn. He can free himself again and returns to Nostramo, seeing that everything he'd done was futile. Thus, he destroyed Nostramo. Because of the attack on Dorn and the destruction of Nostramo were the NL called back.  But NO ONE had any doubts when seeing the Night Lords along many other Legions on Isstvan V.  Besides, this incident is the only one we know, which attracted the Emperor's attention. Russ vs. Angron; nearly Perturabo vs. Corax...there were a couple of clashes without any interference by the Emperor.  So to deal with this problem? How about placing Morro on a campaign. It doesn't went well and Russ was assigned to help his brothers. Being forced to accept his most hated brother's help, Morro went nuts. During the fight against the foes' leaders, Morro is alone with Leman, seizing his chance to kill him, disguising it as an ambush or something like this.  I'd rather see Morro being the manipulative, scheming guy, pulling strings in the background in order to seize verenge and amends.  Or the other way around with Morro teasing Russ until he looses control? Edited September 22, 2017 by Kelborn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 We don't need it to be anything like that, though. Let's bring it down to the regicide game, a brawl starts, Gwal tries to intercede but damnit, it's hard to be precise with Primarchs lashing out at each other. MikhalLeNoir 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 "Dad I swear I was just jerking Mo's chain and then he got all angry and stuff and G was just swinging his tonfa like practicing ya' know to like be a better warrior for your empire and Mo like just turned around and his arm fell of and I like freaked and I don't know I like ran outa there and stuff." MikhalLeNoir and bluntblade 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 "Well he didn't say where he was going, we thought he'd stick around and get the stump cauterized and that. I've had my serfs mopping all night from here to the airlock." MikhalLeNoir 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Niklaas is such a nice guy he would have made Morro a new arm. Forged from pure unobtanium in the fire of a mica dragon and overplayed with GOLD pressed latinum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I thought Niklaas considered Morro an arse. Hoarding shiny things and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I thought Niklaas considered Morro an arse. Hoarding shiny things and all that. Yeah basically. There should have been the poor attempt at a GoT joke in there. GOLD arm= gold hand. (Shrugs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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