Ragnar Blackmane by AD-B, aka you finally got me BL

[Loesh]

 

I see the Wolves continue their tradition of cheap shotting challenging opponents, I approve* and praise A D-B's remark about the Dark Angels not being the forgiving type.

 

* no sarcasm intended, the Ultras and their successors the Brady Bunch can go frak themselves, inter-chapter interactions should be a very nasty business.

You must not really like the Blood Angels then since the only ones who don't play ball in that court are the Flesh Tearers.

 

 

And the Knights of Blood, Lamenters probably aren't trusted because of the cursed founding, and I can't imagine they are fond of the Flesh Eaters either.

 

And probably way more groups of Blood Angels we haven't seen/heard about. Seriously, the Black Rage and Red Thirst might give you superpowers while they are active, but they are such a crippling defect that they can wipe out entire chapters and probably doing as much, if not more, damage then their enemies ever could. I wouldn't be surprised if there's actually been *tons* of Blood Angels over the last ten thousand years(if not presently.) that have gone all out nuts and we just haven't got a look at them.

[Blood Angel Scout]

In reference to Kol's earlier comment, there is more than a rivalry between Space Wolves and Flesh Tearers, one character describes it as "a cold war" .  Without giving too much away, from the event of the first chapter i.e the extract where Ragnar has killed the DA champion, we see the interaction between the First Pack explaining the history of the honour duel with the DA and any casualties are in effect acceptable losses because of its roots whereas the contempt, loosely speaking, for the Flesh Tearers goes back to Honour's End, where the FT suffered greatly from the curse of the seed, slaughtering the populace/SW reacting though calms down until the refusal of the Wolves to return the dead, leads to mass battle and conflict continues til present by both parties, which elements on each side recognise the impact this has on battle readiness to their chapter.

 

This leads to Ragnar being sent to Cretacia as an emissary due to pointing out the hypocrisy as in both have "curses" in their gene-seed and the Wolves would do the same, tales are recounted whereby other Imperial forces have culture-clashed with the Wolves (reminds me I'd missed to mention in my previous posts the name dropping of a Fenrisian Inquisitor who fought with Bjorn the Fell-Handed) and how the Wolves perceive the FT is the same as others perceive them.

 

Will add more once had chance to re-read it

[b1soul]

 Without giving too much away, from the event of the first chapter i.e the extract where Ragnar has killed the DA champion, we see the interaction between the First Pack explaining the history of the honour duel with the DA and any casualties are in effect acceptable losses because of its roots 

 

...so if someone loses first blood, it's OK for him to go for his opponent's life?

[Dantay VI]

There have been accidental deaths in the duel before on both sides. Just because this duel ended in a death doesn't mean it was acceptable.

[Blood Angel Scout]

B1soul

 

Not like that at all, I was trying to give an overview of the plot/first act without specific spoilers though will say Ragnar is brought to account for his inability to control himself.

 

Not sure who it was posted it earlier in the thread, think it was ADB himself, that we see Ragnar after he has just been promoted to First Pack of the Great Company, even though he is still effectively a Blood Claw and the rash/impulsiveness that comes with it. He, Ragnar, even pretty much says, paraphrasing, it was a rush of blood after he cut me.

 

The difference I was referring to, was that it's not the first time a death has occurred in the Wolves vs Dark Angels tradition, both sides know the risks and the necessary steps to take when it occurs to recognise the respect/settle the score to satisfy honour, whereas the views of the SW in the scene are that the Flesh Tearers should be eradicated from Imperial history because of their actions at Honour's End. This then leads to Ragnar's "they're just like us" comments, leading to the next arc of the tale

[DarKnight]

Think we've beat it to death by now, but it's literally genetically encoded in an Astartes to never take an unanswered wound from any opponent. (Reminds me of the awesome scene of Grimaldus & Helbrecht when he ascends to Reclusiarch)  But yeah, as civil as any duel can be between enhanced war machines, I'm sure it's damn near inevitable someone would get killed over the course of 10,000 or so years.

[Vesper]

Black Legion stuff in it ?

[Blood Angel Scout]

Vesper,

 

Only slight mention of the Warmaster and his intentions, from Ragnar's PoV:

 

"The Warmaster, curses upon his black name, had paid dearly to raze the city. He was paying dearly to burn all of the Kasr; the dark truth was that it was a price he seemed willing-even eager-to pay"

 

Edit: missed out part of the quote

[Firepower]

 

Heh. And which one of these Codex-denying Chapters with several instances of fighting each other in the past, and with various secrets of treachery and/or and gene-seed instability hidden from the Adeptus Terra, would ever share that an event like this had happened? Which one would rock up to the doors of Inquisition HQ and report the others for being naughty boys? Would it be the ones who can't forgive themselves for their treachery in the Horus Heresy and have Successor Chapters still Codex-breakingly loyal to the point of still being a Legion? Or would it be the ones that have fought the Inquisition already and are hiding gene-seed corruption to the degree they can occasionally flip out and turn into monsters?

 

This filled me with warm fuzzies.  Let's just admit that both Chapters are renegade filth and move on from there.

 

;)

[Perrin]

Got it yesterday, read it in 3-4 hours. It isn't a novel. Sure, it is much longer than a novella, but still not long enough to be called a novel, and for £40?! It's my own fault for buying it but still, I have never been more let down with BL and that's saying something.

 

The actual story was good, not my favourite of ADBs work, but still very good. The themes and culture of the Wolves doesn't really get explored in the same details as the Night Lords, Black Legion, Word Bearers etc do in his other works. There's also a lot more fighting and a lot less development/speaking than is normal for an ADB story, but it isn't bolter porn by a stretch.

 

Only things I didn't like was Inquisitor Jarlsdottyr from The Emperor's Gift being mentioned as the only Inquisitor from Fenris ever. The only point of it seemed to be a rule-of-cool kinda thing, "look how great my characters are". Also I got slightly confused on how Ulrik managed to move around so quickly, though that might have just been me.

 

Also the final page is pure gold, and perfectly suits Blackmane.

[b1soul]

Think we've beat it to death by now, but it's literally genetically encoded in an Astartes to never take an unanswered wound from any opponent. (Reminds me of the awesome scene of Grimaldus & Helbrecht when he ascends to Reclusiarch) But yeah, as civil as any duel can be between enhanced war machines, I'm sure it's damn near inevitable someone would get killed over the course of 10,000 or so years.

Uh...I would say most loyalist honour duels don't end in death, cuz SM are pretty good at discipline and control

[DarKnight]

 

Think we've beat it to death by now, but it's literally genetically encoded in an Astartes to never take an unanswered wound from any opponent. (Reminds me of the awesome scene of Grimaldus & Helbrecht when he ascends to Reclusiarch) But yeah, as civil as any duel can be between enhanced war machines, I'm sure it's damn near inevitable someone would get killed over the course of 10,000 or so years.

Uh...I would say most loyalist honour duels don't end in death, cuz SM are pretty good at discipline and control

 

I would say most too, but over 10,000 years I'm sure you would see the random blips, either by accident or actually on purpose.

[Loesh]

Also, we're talking about the Space Wolves here.

 

The Curse of Wulfen doesn't exactly facilitate self control.

[b1soul]

Also, we're talking about the Space Wolves here.

 

The Curse of Wulfen doesn't exactly facilitate self control.

 

Read Prospero Burns...all this talk about how much control the Wolves have

[Loesh]

 

Also, we're talking about the Space Wolves here.

 

The Curse of Wulfen doesn't exactly facilitate self control.

 

Read Prospero Burns...all this talk about how much control the Wolves have

 

 

.....Whats the downside to the Curse of the Wulfen then? Aside from recruits occasionally losing it and dying.

[DarKnight]

Anyone in the United States receive their book yet? I'm on the east coast and don't really know how long it's going to take to get here with regular shipping. I ordered last Friday.

[Vesper]

 

 

Also, we're talking about the Space Wolves here.

 

The Curse of Wulfen doesn't exactly facilitate self control.

 

Read Prospero Burns...all this talk about how much control the Wolves have

 

 

.....Whats the downside to the Curse of the Wulfen then? Aside from recruits occasionally losing it and dying.

 

There's no downside. It's a boon. That's the trick.

[Loesh]

There's no downside. It's a boon. That's the trick.

Doesn't sound like much of a curse.

[Captain_Loken]

I'm getting pretty tired of people complaining about how much it costs. If you're going to complain, but you really want it, then just download it. Too easy. Don't have to pay your 40£ for nonsense.

 

Don't give in to the crap that GW/BL pulls with their horrendous price tags.

[b1soul]

Could someone offer detailed spoilers?

[Vesper]

There's no downside. It's a boon. That's the trick.

Doesn't sound like much of a curse.

De facto it ain't one, as per everything I've seen about it.

[Perrin]

There's no downside. It's a boon. That's the trick.

Doesn't sound like much of a curse.

De facto it ain't one, as per everything I've seen about it.

Surely turning into a wolfman isn't a good thing?

[1ncarnadine]

There's no downside. It's a boon. That's the trick.

Doesn't sound like much of a curse.

De facto it ain't one, as per everything I've seen about it.

Surely turning into a wolfman isn't a good thing?

No, it just makes you more sexy.

http://i.imgur.com/MWg2OUH.jpg?1

[Scribe]

 

Also, we're talking about the Space Wolves here.

 

The Curse of Wulfen doesn't exactly facilitate self control.

 

Read Prospero Burns...all this talk about how much control the Wolves have

 

 

Dont read Prospero Burns, its a horrible fan service book...

[Captain_Loken]

I agree with you Scribe.  Only read it if you want a terrible side to the Space Wolves, and if you're into the Space Wolves turning evil and killing innocent children.  Regardless of what Magnus did, they went too far.