Marshal Rohr Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Again, I was setting up for a joke. ABD explained why that's not the case, and I'm well aware of why that's not the case. Just trying to have a little fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312600-ragnar-blackmane-by-ad-b-aka-you-finally-got-me-bl/page/8/#findComment-4170752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Again, I was setting up for a joke. ABD explained why that's not the case, and I'm well aware of why that's not the case. Just trying to have a little fun. I totally did think "...is he drunk?" F-forgive me. I've failed you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312600-ragnar-blackmane-by-ad-b-aka-you-finally-got-me-bl/page/8/#findComment-4170759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remus Ventanus. Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Again, I was setting up for a joke. ABD explained why that's not the case, and I'm well aware of why that's not the case. Just trying to have a little fun. nice save ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312600-ragnar-blackmane-by-ad-b-aka-you-finally-got-me-bl/page/8/#findComment-4170771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 ~Awesome spoilery goodness~ Sweet Baby Emperor in a Tuxedo T-shirt. I need to read this story. And then there were two. Get on this, A D-B! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312600-ragnar-blackmane-by-ad-b-aka-you-finally-got-me-bl/page/8/#findComment-4170796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesh Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Again, I was setting up for a joke. ABD explained why that's not the case, and I'm well aware of why that's not the case. Just trying to have a little fun. Poe's law. Also: I shouldn't write when i'm sleepy, my characters grammar was pretty atrocious for a 10,000 year old wickedly cultured Chaos Space Marine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312600-ragnar-blackmane-by-ad-b-aka-you-finally-got-me-bl/page/8/#findComment-4170818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Something else. The ending. Very well done. Whatever the reason for the result was (luck, skill, the Emperor intervening?) it was just right. I loved the picture that it painted - it felt like something out of a Kurosawa samurai duel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312600-ragnar-blackmane-by-ad-b-aka-you-finally-got-me-bl/page/8/#findComment-4170821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RapatoR Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Oh I am sorry dude. Sometimes it is hard to get a joke in froeign language and through a screen. At lest you managed to ruin the Pink Fluffy Unicorns Dancing on Rainbows by inserting a really disturbing mental image into my head. That's gotta cout for somethin', rigt? :D ...serve gods... ...worships... ... yes and no... Ok, but what about the marines recruited post-heresy? Not those that betrayed the Emperor but those who knew nothing but gods their entire lives (especially if recruited in EoT)? Shouldn't they show significatly more reverence, than their brothers? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312600-ragnar-blackmane-by-ad-b-aka-you-finally-got-me-bl/page/8/#findComment-4171116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Again, yes and no. It all comes down to what warband they are recruited into and/or their personal beliefs. For example, say there is a Word Bearers warband. In that warband is a new recruit from the denizens of Ghalmek. And despite coming from a highly religious background and being recruited into a highly religious faction, this recruit actually doesn't care about worshipping the Dark Gods. He just cares about getting into battle and causing havoc. As a result, he is always skipping mass and is always on report and the only reason the Dark Apostle doesn't flay him alive and wear his soul in a hex bag is because of his combat prowess. On the flipside, you can get an Uzas who does pray in the VIIIth Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312600-ragnar-blackmane-by-ad-b-aka-you-finally-got-me-bl/page/8/#findComment-4171129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesh Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Really, if you learn anything about the Chaos Legions it's that they're skittles(Perhaps that should be in the product placement thread.) The reasons for following Chaos are as varied as the number of Chaos followers themselves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312600-ragnar-blackmane-by-ad-b-aka-you-finally-got-me-bl/page/8/#findComment-4171153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Something else. The ending. Very well done. Whatever the reason for the result was (luck, skill, the Emperor intervening?) it was just right. I loved the picture that it painted - it felt like something out of a Kurosawa samurai duel. I call it divine intervention via ADB Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312600-ragnar-blackmane-by-ad-b-aka-you-finally-got-me-bl/page/8/#findComment-4171168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted September 14, 2015 Author Share Posted September 14, 2015 AD-B has written dedications proposing marriage and to his unborn child, but this was my favorite one of them all. RIP David Gemmell. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312600-ragnar-blackmane-by-ad-b-aka-you-finally-got-me-bl/page/8/#findComment-4171519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Oh, nice. Does that mean he was a particular influence for this book? Reminds me of that Paul Kearney guy who was writing that Dark Hunters novel. His wikipedia page said he is often compared to Dave Gemmell, which really got me hyped. Sadly, the novel never materialized on the declared day, and I still haven't heard jack all about what happened. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312600-ragnar-blackmane-by-ad-b-aka-you-finally-got-me-bl/page/8/#findComment-4171539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted September 14, 2015 Author Share Posted September 14, 2015 I think Gemmell is a career influence and inspiration for AD-B. I can relate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312600-ragnar-blackmane-by-ad-b-aka-you-finally-got-me-bl/page/8/#findComment-4171546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 ... Added to that, mutation isn't supposed to be "physically stupid". The point of it is that it's supposed to reflect your inner self and/or the whims of the gods, and it's supposed to make you better. It improves you, in whatever it is you focus on. It makes you better at killing, and harder to kill, which is literally all most Chaos Marines (and Space Marines...) care about. When mutation goes wrong or goes too far and loses its benefit, well, we call those Spawn. And while many Chaos Marines likely fear that fate, it doesn't happen to everyone - or even most of them - so it's not silly to see how most of them suspect they'll escape that fate. Most of them will. Also, and this is crucial, we have the rulebooks. They don't. it's easy to say "But the Chaos Gods are laughing at them all and screwing them over", but in-universe is that really the case on the ground? The Chaos Marine who sees someone become Spawn: well, they were weak. He's not weak. He'll be more careful. He's more worthy. He won't be a slave, anyway! He's too independent. And he'll phrase his wishes very carefully so the Monkey's Paw doesn't make it all go wrong. That is very true. Isn't that what gamblers, (pre)addicts, and people of other extreme vices say? "Well they were weak. They didn't know their limit. They didn't understand like I do. I can control it and myself. I am strong." And before long they are waste deep in the muck with a poop eating grin on their face counting popsicle sticks. I agree that this is the textbook case of how Chaos conquers the soul, there are times when a Chapter or Company is portrayed as "Well, we are in the pits now. Guess we'll go to the Eye and be renegades now." But then, that is just a troupe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312600-ragnar-blackmane-by-ad-b-aka-you-finally-got-me-bl/page/8/#findComment-4171795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesh Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 That is very true. Isn't that what gamblers, (pre)addicts, and people of other extreme vices say? "Well they were weak. They didn't know their limit. They didn't understand like I do. I can control it and myself. I am strong." And before long they are waste deep in the muck with a poop eating grin on their face counting popsicle sticks. I agree that this is the textbook case of how Chaos conquers the soul, there are times when a Chapter or Company is portrayed as "Well, we are in the pits now. Guess we'll go to the Eye and be renegades now." But then, that is just a troupe. Kind of, the twist is once in a blue moon they are right. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312600-ragnar-blackmane-by-ad-b-aka-you-finally-got-me-bl/page/8/#findComment-4171813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted September 15, 2015 Author Share Posted September 15, 2015 And to an addict, the CHANCE of being right is worth all the risk. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312600-ragnar-blackmane-by-ad-b-aka-you-finally-got-me-bl/page/8/#findComment-4171858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesh Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 And to an addict, the CHANCE of being right is worth all the risk. Quite, though in the world of Warhammer 40k I tend to wonder if the chance of salvation, however small, is better then no chance at all. With what we know of the warp, we know only Daemons await us at death. In Chaos is there at least an out? and is sacrificing your morality in a universe already without morals worth taking that out? These are the hard questions in Warhammer, and actually thinking about them is half the fun of the fluff. I remember the opening to Anthony Reynolds Omnibus was rather striking when I first read it: "They(The Word Bearers) are consumed by hatred and bitterness about the way things turned out, but they still passionately believe they are right; and as corrupted and tainted as they are ten thousand years after the Heresy they still fervently believe they are the only ones who can lead mankind to salvation. Who knows? maybe they are." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312600-ragnar-blackmane-by-ad-b-aka-you-finally-got-me-bl/page/8/#findComment-4171868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 If by out you mean "an alternative to being a soul unable to protect itself that is just constantly being hunted and torn to shreds by the Neverborn of the warp", eternal enslavement as an almighty daemon pronce who can reshape planets at a whim and basically do whatever they want definitely seems like a preferable alternative. Although the fact that the Astronomicon creates its own warp entities does raise the intriguing question of there maybe being a different alternative, although considering the Emperor's personality, ot raises the secondary question of "is it any better"? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312600-ragnar-blackmane-by-ad-b-aka-you-finally-got-me-bl/page/8/#findComment-4171890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesh Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 If by out you mean "an alternative to being a soul unable to protect itself that is just constantly being hunted and torn to shreds by the Neverborn of the warp", eternal enslavement as an almighty daemon pronce who can reshape planets at a whim and basically do whatever they want definitely seems like a preferable alternative. Although the fact that the Astronomicon creates its own warp entities does raise the intriguing question of there maybe being a different alternative, although considering the Emperor's personality, ot raises the secondary question of "is it any better"? True, but even if so...the Emperor is also dying. Warhammer is a setting without hope, mankinds sins have destroyed any semblance of it.. And regarding the second part of your question, what's even more terrifying is that we were never sure there was any hope to begin with. Well actually, I take that back. There is hope...with Tzeentch, for all the good that gives you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312600-ragnar-blackmane-by-ad-b-aka-you-finally-got-me-bl/page/8/#findComment-4171910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 I never said there was hope lol. You're screwed either way. But there's a difference between the River Styx and Tartarus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312600-ragnar-blackmane-by-ad-b-aka-you-finally-got-me-bl/page/8/#findComment-4171912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesh Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Point taken. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312600-ragnar-blackmane-by-ad-b-aka-you-finally-got-me-bl/page/8/#findComment-4171915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted September 16, 2015 Author Share Posted September 16, 2015 Be honest AD-B, did your wife make you resurrect the Shadow Wolves? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312600-ragnar-blackmane-by-ad-b-aka-you-finally-got-me-bl/page/8/#findComment-4172791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Be honest AD-B, did your wife make you resurrect the Shadow Wolves?Smart man, then. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312600-ragnar-blackmane-by-ad-b-aka-you-finally-got-me-bl/page/8/#findComment-4172795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Shadow Wolves and later on the Rainbow Warriors, who ride into battle on pink ponnies with purple bolters and shining Optimus prime eyes. And for the flag they have Sarina with Ursun Claws :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312600-ragnar-blackmane-by-ad-b-aka-you-finally-got-me-bl/page/8/#findComment-4180072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Be honest AD-B, did your wife make you resurrect the Shadow Wolves? Naw, but she was pleasantly surprised. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/312600-ragnar-blackmane-by-ad-b-aka-you-finally-got-me-bl/page/8/#findComment-4180209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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