IL IX - The Warbringers (thread 1)

[MikhalLeNoir]

So will the white guard be stronger than astartes like custodes or or where do you place them?

[Skalpynock]

They are Astartes-tier, but don't have all the additional organs that make marines so powerful (they have other ones, though) and inferior wargear (Vostala and Zalmoxis just can't compete with Mars).

[MikhalLeNoir]

But wouldn't Kozja equip them with the real stuff later? Edited September 21, 2016 by MikhalLeNoir

[Nomus Sardauk]

But wouldn't Kozja equip them with the real stuff later?

Mmmhmm, I can't see Kozja missing the chance to improve himself favourite dudes with the new Imperial Science!!! available to him.

[MikhalLeNoir]

 

But wouldn't Kozja equip them with the real stuff later?

Mmmhmm, I can't see Kozja missing the chance to improve himself favourite dudes with the new Imperial Science!!! available to him.

That is what I meant. As soon as he has the chance to get mars tech he will equip his dudes with it. So they won't have worse armor. Maybe he gives them even artificer armor etc.

[Nomus Sardauk]

 

 

But wouldn't Kozja equip them with the real stuff later?

Mmmhmm, I can't see Kozja missing the chance to improve himself favourite dudes with the new Imperial Science!!! available to him.

That is what I meant. As soon as he has the chance to get mars tech he will equip his dudes with it. So they won't have worse armor. Maybe he gives them even artificer armor etc.

Oh I meant more along the lines of Gene-enhancements rather than wargear, though of course that'd happen too.

[MikhalLeNoir]

Which means as they wewe bettew othew aspects, now wif impewiaw science techniqwe they wiww be bettew in the othew apsects and suwpass evewy astawtes. Oh, dat scwewy wabbit! Badumm!!!

[bluntblade]

What's the plan for Vizenko? Last time I saw him he'd met Turrus, but no idea after that Edited October 2, 2016 by bluntblade

[Generalripphook]

Have you read any dragonlance? Could the Knights "Measure" be a good applicable rule for this legion?

 

So do they have the same "care" for auxilia as the Iron Warriors? Or how exactly do they interact with their imperial soldier allies?

 

To represent the higher ability of the "knights" in the squads which fight independently of the units maybe a special unit could be sarge upgrades to "knights" where each sarg becomes almost like a "palantine blade"

[bluntblade]

Kozja "cares" for his people in a very paternalistic, aristocratic way. That extends to the "Novadeka" of Army units he built up and commands alongside his Legion. He expects their absolute obedience, but doesn't see them as simply disposable.

[Generalripphook]

Could a dragon unit be used by giving them a special rule like:

 

This unit may take a 12 inch move in exchange for reducing their ballistic skill to 1 for this turn.

[Skalpynock]

Have you read any dragonlance? Could the Knights "Measure" be a good applicable rule for this legion?

I haven't, what is it?

[MikhalLeNoir]

Hickman & weiss are the authors if I am correct. Fantasy series.where people.ride.on dragons. I think the.planet was called perm.

 

Not the worst to read in fantasy. They have another series called dark sword which fits perfectly for any pariah character^^

[Generalripphook]

The world is the world of Krynn 

 

Long story short 

"Est Sularus oth Mithas", or "My honor is my life."

 

 

they have a whole bit of information on everything in it. 

http://www.dragonlancenexus.com/lexicon/index.php?title=Measure

 

Something can be adapted like the way to saddle a horse could be to clean a bolter but the important ones I think are . 

 

-No knight should purposely insult another knight

-information on formal address

-information on court etiquette

-strict rules for rising up in ranks 

-to support a superior in word and deed and not to question 

-a knight should walk openly in the world plainly displaying his nobility plain to see 

-a quest takes precedence over everything even the measure 

-in times of war all personal greviences and matters of honor are set aside 

-you must demand surrender from a besieged enemy daily 

-daily weapon exercises 

-not to interfere in a contest between two combatants 

-forgive those who wrong them

-can refuse a contest of honor from someone who is dishonorable.

 

there are a bunch others which would be cool fluff and help give your stories more flavor especially with meetings/organizations and interactions with other legions. 

[Doctor Perils]

So, I'll quickly pop my head up to see if you've had any more thoughts about including some elements of the "Star Lords" here?

[Skalpynock]

So, I'll quickly pop my head up to see if you've had any more thoughts about including some elements of the "Star Lords" here?

Not yet, not yet, but I'm working on it.

[bluntblade]

PM'd you, Skal. I've got a story idea in the works, and it'll mean delving properly into the Apothecaries.

 

Also, what's your current plan for Asaev? If he goes Suzerainty, I'm thinking the leader of the Shadow Hands will be a very prickly guy.

[Skalpynock]

[Note: the initial version of this was way better, but I have yet to find a way to restore stuff lost in an accidentally closed tab.] Potential red box:

 

Lords among the Stars

Logistics have often been said to be the essence of war. The ability to bring resources, information and troops from one place to another has in many conflicts been more important than numbers or weaponry. Never has it been more obvious than in the dark days of the Icarion Insurrection.
Where other legions would acquire them by extortion or blackmail, the Stormlord ordered the Warbringers to secure the main trade routes around the Nova Imperium, be it by word, by gold or by sword. In return, the Astartes were gifted with governorship of the worlds they were bound to control. Oftentimes, these "Star Lords" withdrew themselves from active warfare, taking at heart the power they were granted. In extreme cases such as that of knyaz Walian, entire subsectors were under the political rule of astartes.
With the advent of the Suzerainty, most of these garrisons turned against the traitors, constituting a backbone for the new state and depriving the Stormlord's forces from a vast materiel wealth. The Star-lords diplomatic approach, using a mixture of blockades, offers of protection, and material gifts was instrumental in the first stages of the Suzerainty's formation, placing Astartes in a position of distant, but still tangible, power without openly declaring martial war. Notably in those early stages, the life quality of civilian population on nominally Warbringer-owned worlds was on average better than on those under the sway of the Warriors of Peace or Steel Legion.

Edited December 20, 2016 by Skalpynock

[Doctor Perils]

Looking good :) perhaps the emphasis on flyers could be brought in in order to defend these worlds against drop-assaults, even small garrisons could bring down dropships, causing a lot of damage to assaulting forces, even if the planet may be lost

 

Also, these garrisons would probably rely on local militia groups, which seems a perfect fit for the warbringers

Edited November 12, 2016 by Lord Thørn

[bluntblade]

What's the plan for Vizenko? Last time I saw him he'd met Turrus, but no idea after that

Hey Skal? This kinda fell between the cracks, I guess

[Skalpynock]

Real life got in the way, but reading early post-heresy fluff from cannonverse, my best bet is that something goes wrong between Turrus and him, and he disappears again, secluding himself on some lost world in the Eye before it becomes the realm of the Chaos Legions. Post-Scouring, he will be approached by Athrawes and have a hand in the formation of the [black Legion].

[bluntblade]

No worries, dude.

 

Sounds good to me

[Sigismund229]

Perhaps they fall out over Turrus' part in the Suzerainty attack on Madrigal?

[bluntblade]

Or even before that, when Turrus' desire for reconciliation become apparent. Vizenko might view the very idea of retaining loyalty to a Primarch as blinkered, with an Erebus-like belief that his enlightenment outstrips his own father's.

[Doctor Perils]

Just going to write up a bit more about the "Star Lords" or "Zvaigzde Valdovas" as they are officially known in the Strelian Dialect. I haven't yet confered with anybody about this so expect considerable changes:

 

As the Insurrection wore on into its second decade, Kozja Darzalas found himself ever more absorbed by ruling the Suzerainty and his work on the foundation of the "One True Legion". Despite his incredible mental faculties, the Primarch was ever more obliged to delegate tasks to his subordinates.

The "Star Lords" had long enjoyed a certain amount of autonomy during the days of their fealty to Icarion - this was made necessary by how far they could be scattered from their Primarch and Strelia. Now refered to in official Strelian texts as the "Zvaigzde Valdovas", they began taking on more responsabilities, both in protecting hub-worlds and escorting the trade fleets upon which the nascent Suzerainty relied - though cynics may have viewed this as "governing" and "commanding" instead.

 

If no such thing as Legiones Auxilia were ever instated in the Suzerainty, with a political emphasis on unification rather then dispersal, few Imperial Loyalists would have been able to tell the Star Lords were in truth a part of the Warbringers' legion five years after the foundation of the Suzerainty. To go with their unique identifier, the Star Lords had adopted new liveries and a full organisation had evolved around their original leaders - creating so-called "trade companies".

Each trade company was to be in charge of a set number of worlds and trade fleets, couriering the goods necessary for the Suzerainty to run smoothly. On each of the most vital trade-nodes, the Star Lords built and garrisoned "Trade Posts" which acted both as fortresses and warehouses, helping them to protect a small amount of materiel from potential enemy strikes on those worlds.

The main particularity of the Zvaigzde Valdovas was how the Trade Companies were not only military assets, but had become a whole new mercantile class. After ordinary merchants began contracting Astartes of the Star Lords to run certain risky ventures in their place, the Trade Companies started to dabble in the financial world of the Suzerainty and quickly amassed considerable wealth. Soon, many of the mortal interstellar traders were forced into bankruptcy, and Trade Companies began squabbles between themselves to prove their own economical superiority over their kindred.

 

Initially, Darzalas saw the new aspect of the Star Lords as beneficial to the Suzerainty - after all, human error could cause major economic breakdown, and on the galactic scale, this could spell the end of his new realm. What's more, he had long been an advocate of intra-legion rivalries, as these could push Astartes to strive to surpass each other.

However, as the situation carried on evolving, his doubts grew. Finally, after conferring with his brothers Nomus and the Jade General, Darzalas decided that he could no longer let the Star Lords continue playing their games so reclessly - they no controlled considerable military and financial assets, which could prove damning to the realm should they implode into a civil war.

Darzalas therefore summoned the leaders of the Trade Companies and layed out his conditions for their continued autonomy from the rest of the Legion:

First of all, their numbers would be slashed - until that point, the Star Lords had controlled a large proportion of the Legion's numbers, as they had rarely seen combat. From then, the Star Lords would be limited to 5000 marines of the line, split evenly among the 5 only Trade Companies allowed to remain in operation. The remaining numbers would return to the Warbringers proper, to fight under the orders of their Primarch - in the future, the Star Lords would recruit their own neophytes from the worlds they de facto controlled, and excess marines would be sent to the Warbringers.

Second, Darzalas imposed an overall leader to the Star Lords - though he would only control the Trade Companies on a military level, Flash Vallant would be a clear hierarchic general, able to command the full forces of the Star Lords in the most dire of circumstances.

Finally, the Star Lords would be in charge of maintining a good relationship with the Navigator Houses for the whole Suzerainty - this apparent boon actually hid a considerable taxation, as the Star Lords would have to bear the brunt of paying for gifts offered to the Navis Nobilite.