The Grail Wardens: a Liber Astartes Group Project

[Arkangilos]

I agree it's not 3,000 years based on the soul fact that Dante is the oldest. Not because they got old, but because various other reasons including succumbing to the rage, killed in combat, etc.

 

Otherwise I have no reason believing that gene line couldn't survive that long.

Edited June 28, 2016 by Arkangilos

[Doctor Perils]

Otherwise I have no reason believing that gene line could survive that long.

How so?

[Arkangilos]

Our gene line so far doesn't have an expiration date. We know Dante is still going despite being 1100+ (Keep in mind, is specifically says, "and is certainly much older") years, that Blood Angels live far longer in terms of age (most chapters have old at 3-400, with Logan Grimnar and them as truly exceptional. Our codex however says that it is not uncommon for Blood Angels to see 1,000 if the flaw and death in battle doesn't get them first).

 

Blood Angels are depicted as vampires, and that (design wise), is why the Blood Angels are remarkably long lived. Basically, they share the lack of aging that vampires have.

 

Crap, just realize I made a typo. I meant that I had no reason to believe they could NOT live that long. In other words, I believe they could live for longer based on the previous information as provided by Index Astartes 3 all the way to modern codex.

Edited June 28, 2016 by Arkangilos

[Doctor Perils]

BTW Arkangilos, how do you feel about having the replacement of the Crimson Knights be a successor of the Sanguinary Crusaders, considering they are going to be reminiscent of the Flesh Tearers and Flesh Eaters (ie, the darker side of the Force Blood Angels)? How do you feel about the "Impalers" as a chapter name, whether it is official or no ?

I've come up with a germ of an idea of a colour scheme for them as well, which is quite Bolton-esque (I believe it can fit with the theme):

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/sm/bpe=CCA3A3&bpj=997A7A&bp=CCA3A3&bpc=CCA3A3&hdt=CCA3A3&hdm=CCA3A3&hdl=CCA3A3&ey=F73E63&er=CCA3A3&pi=997A7A&nk=CCA3A3&ch=CCA3A3&eg=8B0000&sk=8B0000&abs=CCA3A3&bt=CCA3A3&cod=CCA3A3&ull=CCA3A3&lk=CCA3A3&lll=CCA3A3&lft=CCA3A3&url=CCA3A3&rk=CCA3A3&lrl=CCA3A3&rft=CCA3A3&slt=8B0000&sli=CCA3A3&srt=8B0000&sri=CCA3A3&ula=CCA3A3&lel=CCA3A3&lla=CCA3A3&lw=8B0000&lh=8B0000&ura=CCA3A3&rel=CCA3A3&rla=CCA3A3&rw=8B0000&rh=8B0000&bg=FFFFFF&rb=997A7A&gr=8B0000&/spacemarine.jpg

A couple of symbols that can be used as inspiration for the Confederacy:

If we want to give the Confederacy a Cthulhu vibe, we might also want to steer away from giving the other warband too much of an oceanic theme ?

Edited June 29, 2016 by Lord Thørn

[Kelborn]

Though I like it, I now have the need to eat some strawberry ice-cream...:P

[Doctor Perils]

I've had a look at a random space marine chapter name generator, and it's just given me "Sharks of Malal"... Is this a sign?
 
Also, in Khorny names: "Disciples of {Orpheus}" (well, it can be chaosified easily), "The Brethren Crimson", "The Berserkers Crusader", "The Bloody Brothers", the "Venerators Charnel", "Bleeding Castellans", "Disciples Charnel", "Guardians of Brass"...
 
Is this really a loyalist chapter generator ???
 
 

Oooh, "Unicorn Marines"...

I've thought about the Gorgon-Walker idea again, and it could  be really cool, especially considering it would probably be a daemon engine: imagine feeding a load of cultists into it, it charges off to crash through a wall, and - if you're lucky - belches out  the cultists it hasn't swallowed onto the enemy. Then it goes on a rampage, with it's massive forepaws. When it vomits out Berserkers rather then Cultists, the enemy are in for one hell of a fight! So yeah, imagine a cross between a Gorgon and a Maulerfiend... I know I'd buy one if GW made it :D

Edited June 29, 2016 by Lord Thørn

[Arkangilos]

Wait, do you think my chapter embodies the darker side? :o

 

What makes you think that?

 

Also, I don't mind.

Edited June 29, 2016 by Arkangilos

[Doctor Perils]

Wait, do you think my chapter embodies the darker side?

 

What makes you think that?

 

Also, I don't mind.

No, I don't think your chapter embodies the darker side, but the successors would :devil:

[Arkangilos]

That works. Maybe part of their training cadre was one of our most brutal brothers. I did actually have fluff for an Impaler character. Maybe we sent him. Edited June 29, 2016 by Arkangilos

[Sir Perfluous]

Maybe the Impalers could be named for the actions of that character, in the same way as Nassir Amit was known as the Flesh Tearer even before the Second Founding. Maybe Dragomir "the Impaler" Tepes (so named temporarily because it sounds cool) was a captain of the Sanguinary Crusaders famed for his unorthodox, and brutal, methods. Maybe the impaling-chaos-cultists event that Thørn suggested earlier was not committed by the chapter, but Dragomir himself, while he was still in the SCs. This reputation for crulety led the Sanguinary Crusaders keen to see him gone, so he was offered the position of first chapter master of the chapter that would become known as the Impalers after him.

 

I am really starting to love this chapter. Can I take it home and adopt it?

 

And I really like that colour scheme, Thørn. What's the name of the ruddy brown colour you've used for the main area?

[Doctor Perils]

And I really like that colour scheme, Thørn. What's the name of the ruddy brown colour you've used for the main area?

Errr... darkish-pastel-pink? And I've just realised I didn't save the Hex code

 

You'd be welcome to it :P

[Sir Perfluous]

I'm trying to write a bit more fluff for the Impalers and was wondering if we had any idea about which Founding they were. Sanguinary Crusaders were Second, as I recall, so any Founding from third would work. I'd like to leave a fair amount of time for various customs and so forth to develop before their destruction, so earlier might be best. Would a Second Founding chapter's geneseed be used in the Third Founding?

[Doctor Perils]

I'm trying to write a bit more fluff for the Impalers and was wondering if we had any idea about which Founding they were. Sanguinary Crusaders were Second, as I recall, so any Founding from third would work. I'd like to leave a fair amount of time for various customs and so forth to develop before their destruction, so earlier might be best. Would a Second Founding chapter's geneseed be used in the Third Founding?

Third would probably be a bit too early, and the sanguinary crusaders have to make a pretty important contribution right from the word go to afford to a successor so early

 

Edit: how would anybody feel about one of the prophets of the confederacy worshipping Hashut? In my own fluff, i'm developping a major chaos campaign (called the Ashen Crusade) whose aim is to make their patron Hashut (he of the Chaos Dwarves and copper paint) a true chaos god. For that i need credible armies and allies, so a Dark Mechanicum hell-forge would be a massive bonus

Edited July 1, 2016 by Lord Thørn

[Arkangilos]

The Impalers would be relatively new, at least after we found our second home world. I can push that date back, too.

 

I'll do the founding info for them if you don't mind.

Edited July 1, 2016 by Arkangilos

[Sir Perfluous]

No problem at all. They're your successors. I've just become somewhat enamoured of them is all!

 

Thørn, I know very little about Hashut, so I'll do some reading. Though I suppose each Prophet needs their own motives, and one of them trying to promote Hashut could work. Can you Cthulhify dwarves?

Edited July 1, 2016 by Sir Perfluous

[Doctor Perils]

No problem at all. They're your successors. I've just become somewhat enamoured of them is all!

 

Thørn, I know very little about Hashut, so I'll do some reading. Though I suppose each Prophet needs their own motives, and one of them trying to promote Hashut could work. Can you Cthulhify dwarves?

Well, the whole Cthulhu mythos is a lot vaster then Cthulhu himself. I think that it shouldn't be too much of a problem to find some parallels between Hashut and one of the other Great Old Ones (or whatever they are called). But I think Chaos Dwarves (at least the modern ones) look suitably dark and mad (though I wasn't proposing chaos dwarves here, but one of the more mechanical-technology-oriented prophets being a worshiper of Hashut as the true face of the God Machine or something. I've already got separate plans for Dark Squats )

Edited July 1, 2016 by Lord Thørn

[EesiOh]

 

No problem at all. They're your successors. I've just become somewhat enamoured of them is all!

 

Thørn, I know very little about Hashut, so I'll do some reading. Though I suppose each Prophet needs their own motives, and one of them trying to promote Hashut could work. Can you Cthulhify dwarves?

Well, the whole Cthulhu mythos is a lot vaster then Cthulhu himself. I think that it shouldn't be too much of a problem to find some parallels between Hashut and one of the other Great Old Ones (or whatever they are called). But I think Chaos Dwarves (at least the modern ones) look suitably dark and mad (though I wasn't proposing chaos dwarves here, but one of the more mechanical-technology-oriented prophets being a worshiper of Hashut as the true face of the God Machine or something. I've already got separate plans for Dark Squats )

 

Dygra The Stone-Thing A jewel-facetted, semi-crystalline geode with mineral tentacles.

 This lovely sounding fellow might suit your needs 

Also quick question about the Archangels, i'm trying to remember why they got involved with the grail wardens because i'm pretty sure I forgot to write it down. They are a 4th founding chapter founded from the Blood Angels themselves, so I cant see the connection to the rest of the wardens

[Doctor Perils]

 

No problem at all. They're your successors. I've just become somewhat enamoured of them is all!

 

Thørn, I know very little about Hashut, so I'll do some reading. Though I suppose each Prophet needs their own motives, and one of them trying to promote Hashut could work. Can you Cthulhify dwarves?

Well, the whole Cthulhu mythos is a lot vaster then Cthulhu himself. I think that it shouldn't be too much of a problem to find some parallels between Hashut and one of the other Great Old Ones (or whatever they are called). But I think Chaos Dwarves (at least the modern ones) look suitably dark and mad (though I wasn't proposing chaos dwarves here, but one of the more mechanical-technology-oriented prophets being a worshiper of Hashut as the true face of the God Machine or something. I've already got separate plans for Dark Squats )

 

Dygra The Stone-Thing A jewel-facetted, semi-crystalline geode with mineral tentacles.

 This lovely sounding fellow might suit your needs 

Also quick question about the Archangels, i'm trying to remember why they got involved with the grail wardens because i'm pretty sure I forgot to write it down. They are a 4th founding chapter founded from the Blood Angels themselves, so I cant see the connection to the rest of the wardens

 

 

I think we'd sort of decided they'd participated in the Red Crusade ? Edited July 2, 2016 by Lord Thørn

[EesiOh]

 

 

No problem at all. They're your successors. I've just become somewhat enamoured of them is all!

 

Thørn, I know very little about Hashut, so I'll do some reading. Though I suppose each Prophet needs their own motives, and one of them trying to promote Hashut could work. Can you Cthulhify dwarves?

Well, the whole Cthulhu mythos is a lot vaster then Cthulhu himself. I think that it shouldn't be too much of a problem to find some parallels between Hashut and one of the other Great Old Ones (or whatever they are called). But I think Chaos Dwarves (at least the modern ones) look suitably dark and mad (though I wasn't proposing chaos dwarves here, but one of the more mechanical-technology-oriented prophets being a worshiper of Hashut as the true face of the God Machine or something. I've already got separate plans for Dark Squats )

 

Dygra The Stone-Thing A jewel-facetted, semi-crystalline geode with mineral tentacles.

 This lovely sounding fellow might suit your needs 

Also quick question about the Archangels, i'm trying to remember why they got involved with the grail wardens because i'm pretty sure I forgot to write it down. They are a 4th founding chapter founded from the Blood Angels themselves, so I cant see the connection to the rest of the wardens

 

 

I think we'd sort of decided they'd participated in the Red Crusade ?

 

ahh yeah, starting to come back to me. Thanks 

[Arkangilos]

Hey guys, I'm sorry I'm not contributing much. I'm at a a basic leadership course and between this and my annual training a few weeks ago I've been super busy.

 

It will be a couple more weeks before I can contribute. Sorry guys :(

[Doctor Perils]

Dear all,

 

It is with a heavy heart that I must resign from this project.

 

I've realised that I have too many projects on the go at the same time, and I have not been putting the necessary work into this one. I feel that this is a great group project, and I would dearly like to see it come to fruition - unfortunately, I don't think that I am the person for the job, and I would rather someone more motivated took over as pseudo-co-leader (whatever title you wish to take), as they will surely be able to take the project to new hights.

 

At the same time as the reins of the overall project, I will grant you the complete use of the chapter I had started (Crimson Host/Cohort) - I think I had the seed of inspiration, but I was never able to make it blossom into a full blown idea. As a team, you will probably be able to think of better ways to use them. If you think it would be easier to simply delete them from existence, or if you wish to kill them off, or combine them with one of the other chapters (the Impallers in particular), you are completely free to do whatever you wish with them.

 

If you still need me to edit the first post when you have new things to put there, I will do that gladly - it may however be easier to simply open a new subject to start afresh. Keep me posted when you do make any modifications - I still want to see what happens to the Grail Wardens I'll probably try and pop in to give some amount of feedback once in a while too, but I just don't think I can currently give the effort the project deserves.

 

I hope you'll all understand.

Best regards, and the Emperor Protects,

Lord Thørn.

Edited September 20, 2016 by Lord Thørn

[Sir Perfluous]

I'll be sad to see you go, Thorn, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that. You put this mad little project together and have surely put in more effort than all the rest of us combined but if you feel that it's time to stop, then I completely understand. If developments develop, we'll be sure to notify you - this thread is yours after all!

 

As for the Crimson Host, I'm honoured - I've never been gifted a space marine chapter before. I'll try my hardest to treat it well, to feed it and take it for walkies or whatever it is you're meant to do for them. I draw the line at clearing up its mess, though.

 

The project's been somewhat lacking in drive over the past couple of months it's been sleeping - I know that I, for one, have found increasingly little time to get on the 'net at all - even to this, my favourite little corner of it - and my half-written narrative of the Siege of Golgotha still rests untouched on my hard drive, doing nothing except serving as a source of continual guilt. But if we're going to kick this project back to life again, if only so that we can set what we have in order and give it a proper send off, instead of letting it slowly sink into the dark lands beyond the "load more topics" button, then I'd be willing to sort it all out, if, of course, everyone else is alright with that. Even if we all feel that it might be best to close the metaphorical book on the Wardens and move on to new and exciting projects, it would be best to end the story conclusively and on a high note rather than with a fizzle. We've all put in too much work to let it slowly fade away.

 

Regardless, thank you Thorn for everything you've contributed, and the Emperor's blessing on your other projects! It's been great fun working with you.

[Doctor Perils]

Thank you for the kind words :)

 

Now back to work everyone, I want to see what you come up with :devil:

[Arkangilos]

Yeah, sorry it's been slow on my end from here. I had a lot of real life hit as well. During that time I kept thinking about stuff to add, but when I finally get free time I'm like, "meh, I really want to do this instead." And go do something else. It's the same with all my hobby stuff right now :(

[Olis]

I'll be honest, I'm mostly here only in spirit. Far too much on my plate as it is. That said, feel free to utilise the Red Sentinels as you see fit - if you need me or wish to consult me, all you need do is poke me with a stick. Or PM me. Either's fine. ^_^