DarkChaplain Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 The other Chapters WILL make for Terra before long. We know that for a fact due to the Beheading background. Ultramarines will be present. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/page/22/#findComment-4391809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Isn't the 23 chapters figures from the ultras from before the legions were made 100000+. I'd just be wary asserting that with such authority, because you quite literally can't. They were broken down according to the Codex Astartes though, which specifies a standing marine limit of ~1,000 marines. The only reason they split was to enforce this, so I don't think it's unreasonable to assert that they are Codex-sized int his instance. It also makes sense numerically. The Ultramarines had what, 250,000 Legionaries at their peak? Then Calth happens. IIRC They lose around 100,000 from the Betrayal & Shadow Wars. You've then got the cleanup of Terra and the Scouring. This puts in scope around ~80,000 casualties from arriving at Terra to the Scouring and finally to the breakdown into Codex Chapters. Considering they were the least mauled Legion after the Heresy, this seems quite reasonable to assume there were ~25 1,000 man Ultramarine Chapters. Plus wasn't a Chapter 1,000 marines, even during the tenure of the Legions? I am at work so can't check the relevant book. We see throughout the book that most Chapters acknowledge they are more or less powerless against the beast without uniting together in a Last Wall style protocol. We know the Ultramarines pretty much immediately went full turtle after Istvaan, creating Imperium Secundus. Considering the Ultramarines are but a shadow of their previous selves - they would likely be utterly besieged and know that an Attack Moon orbits Terra. Considering their own predicament and their pragmatism, I don't think it's unusual for them to not make a beeline straight for Terra. Especially as they likely knew the Last Wall was happening. They might eventually link up with their successors, once their own realms are stable and then move onto Terra - exactly like they did during the Heresy. I will play devils advocate here and suggest they might be opposed to this, as they "sit tight and make our own Imperium" delayed them last time and they Emperor got shanked - they may feel slightly guilty that they were too late etc Now let us consider other Chapters: Salamanders - likely to have no successors. At most 1,000 to 2,000 Astartes. Not going to do much, likely very preoccupied with destroying their own attack moon. Raven Guard - again, likely to have no successors at this point. Same as above White Scars - may have a few successors, but are famed for being secretive dicks. They did end up on Terra last time - so perhaps they're making an effort to arrive. Iron Hands - Likely to have few successors, are probably 1,000 times more emo robot than the last time Terra was threatened and don't really give a toss anymore due to cold pragmatism Space Wolves - Likely caught up in just how much fun you can have with a galactic-scale ork incursion Dark Angels - Renowned for pursuing their own motives over the Imperium Blood Angels - IIRC confirmed besieged previously in the series, likely to have a few successors. Not sure why they wouldn't make for Terra though! ... Actually, I don't think that any of the legions are halting recruiting. In fact its highly likely that many are rushing recruits out the door. That also is the same for all the other Legions. They'd probably continue to recruit for the 7 years after the Heresy to the start of the Second Founding. So I bet that there are even Salamander 2nd founding chapters cruising the universe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/page/22/#findComment-4392069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Laertes Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Actually, I don't think that any of the legions are halting recruiting. In fact its highly likely that many are rushing recruits out the door. That also is the same for all the other Legions. They'd probably continue to recruit for the 7 years after the Heresy to the start of the Second Founding. So I bet that there are even Salamander 2nd founding chapters cruising the universe. Last Space Marines codex states that there were only about 800 Salamanders when the Legions were split, so Vulkan asked Guilliman to leave his legion undivided. Then, the galaxy is a big place, so everything is possible Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/page/22/#findComment-4392101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Actually, I don't think that any of the legions are halting recruiting. In fact its highly likely that many are rushing recruits out the door. That also is the same for all the other Legions. They'd probably continue to recruit for the 7 years after the Heresy to the start of the Second Founding. So I bet that there are even Salamander 2nd founding chapters cruising the universe. Last Space Marines codex states that there were only about 800 Salamanders when the Legions were split, so Vulkan Ashes Guilliman to leave his legion undivided. Then, the galaxy is a big place, so everything is possible Plus we're talking 2,000 years of "peace" whereby the anti-SM fear has been built up. I doubt they've been expanding much in that time either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/page/22/#findComment-4392196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dougal Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 So I just finished reading the book. Wow, this one was definitely further down the grimdark scale than most. Guess with an Iron Warrior on the cover I shouldn't be surprised. Not the best book in the series so far, but it got the job done. Don't think I've read any Guymer stuff before so I'm hesitant to cast judgement. Best/worst thing about the book? The planet Prax. Emperor save us... You know, I have this list in my head, a Heirarchy of sorts, listing all the factions of the Universe in order of which poses the greatest threat to Humanity. I used it to justify alliances in my head between them, see? Like, I'd sooner let Tyranids devour the Galaxy than let Chaos enslave us. Or the toss-up between Eldar and Tau. You see where I'm going with this? Orks used to be right about in the middle, tied with Necrons and under Dark Eldar. But after reading EotLW, I.... *shudder* Yeah, I think I'm going to have to redo that list. Humanity's fate under Greenskin dominance is making me feel sick to my stomach. Op, gotta go. *runs to the bathroom* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/page/22/#findComment-4392653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 I finally dived into the series yesterday after getting my hands on the first book. Already onto the third book now and really loving it especially for the different perspectives by the different areas of the imperium (the Assassin grandmaster is seriously awesome). I was a bit wary when I first heard about it but now I am hooked which has me pleased as I was struggling to find a good book series I haven't read to keep me occupied fo a week or two, just don't know if I'll be patient enough to wait for all of them to be released as I am a very fast reader :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/page/22/#findComment-4397009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 As per Echoes of the Long War, the Ultramarines managed to crack an attack moon over Calth and the Blood Angels along with Novamarines downed one too. Valhalla is putting a hold to the ork advance as well. So there, that should answer why those chapters aren't present yet Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/page/22/#findComment-4402035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Antipodes Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 In EotLW they reveal the name of the first Fists Exemplar CM, which made me think. We now know who ends up leading all the Imperial Fist 2nd Founding Chapters (Black Templars, Crimson Fists, Excoriators & Fists Exemplar) but not the IF themselves. Or have I missed it in the series - or elsewhere in the fluff? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/page/22/#findComment-4402373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 The first commander of the Imperial Fists Chapter is Rogal Dorn himself, unless you mean after Dorn's death. The first non-Primarch Chapter Master's name might have been mentioned at some point, possibly when Dorn's skeletal hands are mentioned, as the Chapter Masters have all carved their names into its bones. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/page/22/#findComment-4402376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Antipodes Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 I should have been more precise; I did indeed mean who took over from Dorn. Someone must have had to step up like Bjorn did after Russ disappeared. We will have to see if they ever put a story to the names on Dorn's hands. The only one they have fleshed out (no pun intended) is currently a Fists Exemplar, so that will be interesting to follow in the remaining books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/page/22/#findComment-4402404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Well, that was quite a book! such a vivid description of humans under the Greenskins. still quite enjoyable, but not quite to the point of Throneworld. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/page/22/#findComment-4402959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 I'm presuming that if Vulcan is coming that means he will be responsible for killing the Beast. Seeing as he's so big and all and Ullanor was only possible with the Primarchs and The Emperor around? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/page/22/#findComment-4403215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Doubt it, the later blurbs have Koorland returning at the head of the Deathwatch after the home system assault to finish the job after the first massed Legion assault fails miserably Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/page/22/#findComment-4403238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Doubt it, the later blurbs have Koorland returning at the head of the Deathwatch after the home system assault to finish the job after the first massed Legion assault fails miserably Spoilers man. Spoilers. If this series goes over how vulkan goes poof, then I really wanna read more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/page/22/#findComment-4403276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 yea seriously, not everyone reads the future book previews. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/page/22/#findComment-4403646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineswords Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 After a slow start, Echoes picked up pace - really enjoyed the morally pragmatic Fist Exemplar, Koorland shines in this book and the last line... it should've been so obvious but it wasn't at all. Great reveal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/page/22/#findComment-4405184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 When is the next one due out? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/page/22/#findComment-4405801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
veterannoob Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Two weeks I believe. Maybe three. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/page/22/#findComment-4405943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Was available pre-release at comic con this weekend, might be a few days till I get a chance to read it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/page/22/#findComment-4407454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 The Hunt for Vulkan coming up on saturday! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/page/22/#findComment-4408599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 Just finished Hunt for Vulkan I'd say it was one of the weaker books in the series. Light on politics, heavy on the war porn. Also no explanation for where Vulkan has been for the last thousand years, other than he was aware of the general goings on of the Imperium and that Chaos is the true threat. He also promised to tell Dorn how great a son Koorland is Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/page/22/#findComment-4411839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
veterannoob Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 Was curious about that, thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/page/22/#findComment-4411841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDragon Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 So it is Vulkan? I was sceptical whether it'd be him or not. How early on is he found? Is he portrayed well? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/page/22/#findComment-4411844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 More Hunt for Vulkan spoilers Inquisitor Veritus told Koorland that Vulkan could be found and where to find him, He welds a great hammer called Doomtremor, the book mentions his other weapons are long lost Vulkan is not found till around page 150 and he still goes out his way to help normal people. Yes it is Vulkan Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/page/22/#findComment-4411848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 *sigh* I wish Vulkan died for good on Istvaan V. I've seen nothing that was worth keeping him alive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/314634-the-beast-arises/page/22/#findComment-4411881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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