Leviathan Siege Dread tactics

[Slips]

Bullets.

 

LOTS OF THEM.

 

2 Storm Cannons = 12 Shots.

Blood Angels can trade Heavy Flamer for Assault Cannons = 8 Shots.

Phosphex Discharger for 3 3" Blasts.

[Charlo]

Death Blossom does seem pretty cool, though I certainly think it would be better in 40k.

 

I wish the Leviathan could target different things with its weapons.

[Flint13]

Ok. Fine. I'll bite. Why is everyone calling one of the builds a "Death Blossom"?

 

Like Slips said, BULLETS.

 

But not really. Lasers actually.

 

These lasers specifically. As it applies to Leviathans, that was coined by the Forgotten Legion bros of the Texan and/or Redneckmulletfights.com fame. 

 

Edited June 25, 2016 by Flint13

[Terminus]

Forgotten Legion represent! Hurrah!

 

Also, even though this is technically "leviathan tactics", this being the most active dread thread, is anyone else souring on the typical melee Cortus contemptors?  I've been running a pair for a while, and while they can be a serious threat and distraction, if they are at any point caught out of their transport or outside of melee, they basically evaporate. Side armor 11 with no save is harsh.  They aren't even super durable in melee without a save against melta-bombs, at least until the FAQ gets implemented.

 

I am thinking of trying to run 2-3 in a Talon on foot (dropping the pods almost buys you another one), in a shield-wall of sorts to keep flanks covered. Range can be a concern if you want to stick to the traditional Kheres/fist loadout, but with clever use of the various special abilities and running first turn, you will be 15"+ fleet run distance up the board after your second movement phase.

Edited June 25, 2016 by Terminus

[Lord Blackwood]

My experience with Cortus dreads has been using the one sniper with the heavy conversion beamer , saves points and since its a large blast anyway  the scatter is less than bothersome.  

In ZM I have tried the melee version to mixed results sometimes they just tear through everything sometimes  unit of vets come around a corner and just roast it off the side armor which as you say can be quite detrimental. 

I have had a Cortus charge one of my Leviathans and die while the leviathan only took a hullpoint ( lucky dice on my part , and bad positioning of my leviathan to say the least.) 

 

[Brofist]

 

Ok. Fine. I'll bite. Why is everyone calling one of the builds a "Death Blossom"?

 

Like Slips said, BULLETS.

 

But not really. Lasers actually.

 

These lasers specifically. As it applies to Leviathans, that was coined by the Forgotten Legion bros of the Texan and/or Redneckmulletfights.com fame. 

 

 

Cool, thanks. I figured it was some cultural reference I didn't know about

[Kilofix]

I've been running a full Talon of 3 Levs with Grav and Storm. At first, I was killing scores, but now that my friends are used to my shenanigans, they're taking out my whole Talon in no time. Laser Destroyer Arrays, Neutrons, Artillery, Ad Mech robots - at 300+ points per Dread, there's a lot of stuff you can get to throw against them. One of their favorites is a plain Cat Assault Terminator Squad. Sure, I might kill a few but with the Gravs 18 inch range, they're in CC quickly.

 

I still like the Lev, but I think I'm going to run singles and hedge my points. The stuff that the Lev does well against, you won't need 3 anyway.

[Slips]

Hence why Lev in a Pod is, while not slot efficient, one of the best ways to run one, imo.

 

It gets it where it needs to be ASAP while also giving it some ablative cover to make it survive that much longer.

[ak1508]

I suppose this is where I can post something about how DDPs are now more expensive in points and running a levi with one has become more expensive in pts... Did anybody have to rewrite their lists just because of that, or am I just being a crybaby here? :P 

[Lord Blackwood]

its hard to say  without a bit more testing 

[Flint13]

I suppose this is where I can post something about how DDPs are now more expensive in points and running a levi with one has become more expensive in pts... Did anybody have to rewrite their lists just because of that, or am I just being a crybaby here?

I didn't. There was an odd synchronicity with the rest of my World Eaters list. Despoiler squads, command bodyguards and baby land raiders when down, Spartans and dredpods went up. 

 

Pretty much a wash for me points-wise. 

[Guiltysparc]

Ya, my ddp levi list came in 60pts cheaper overall with all the other changes. I did end up changing it up a bit but for other reasons.

[Terminus]

Yes, I'm glad I only have one Leviathan, and now will just get a bombard to replace the melta Lance, rather than buying a second. The Lance variant will be replaced by the new Eddy.

[Guiltysparc]

Played the my first game using the new rules with a DDP Levi...i swapped out the melta lance for the grav bombard and he was still able to stomp around the backfield and wrecking face, so overall i'm not too bothered by the change.  I wasn't facing a list with a lot of heavy armor though, so i think the main situation where we'll feel the new burning retros rule will be against heavy armor lists where we really need the melta lance to put in work.

[Guiltysparc]

Yes, I'm glad I only have one Leviathan, and now will just get a bombard to replace the melta Lance, rather than buying a second. The Lance variant will be replaced by the new Eddy.

 

you know what though, you're going to get 5 hits with that loadout and 3 of those should go unsaved.  3 S9 melta hits would still do the lord's work.

[01RTB01]

I think the deredeo lascannons are v expensive for 2 shots... Maybe against heavy flyers but otherwise v v pricey.

[Slips]

I think the deredeo lascannons are v expensive for 2 shots... Maybe against heavy flyers but otherwise v v pricey.

2 Shots BS5 Twin-Linked with each pen causing another automatic Ignores Cover Pen? A bit expensive but very effective to me.

[Spinsanity]

The one thing I don' tquite like about those Lascannons is the lack of equivalent against 'fleshy' targets like Thanatars... Something that doubles or multiplies the number of wounds by d3 would have been appropriate.

[Slips]

The one thing I don' tquite like about those Lascannons is the lack of equivalent against 'fleshy' targets like Thanatars... Something that doubles or multiplies the number of wounds by d3 would have been appropriate.

Look no further than the Leviathans Snippy Claw.

[Guiltysparc]

We need a Hydra Patteren Murder Dreadnaught that has 6 arms: 2 for the deredo lascannon battery, 1 leviathan murder dril, 1 leviathan snippy claw, 1 grav bombard, 1 with a big middle finger waving frantically at everything.

[Spinsanity]

We need a Hydra Patteren Murder Dreadnaught that has 6 arms: 2 for the deredo lascannon battery, 1 leviathan murder dril, 1 leviathan snippy claw, 1 grav bombard, 1 with a big middle finger waving frantically at everything.

Now THAT's what a Defiler should look like!

 

+ Edit :

 

The one thing I don' tquite like about those Lascannons is the lack of equivalent against 'fleshy' targets like Thanatars... Something that doubles or multiplies the number of wounds by d3 would have been appropriate.

Look no further than the Leviathans Snippy Claw.

 

It just feels off that the lascannon can inflict two Pens (and thus HP "wounds") on a vehicle with AV and yet is limited to one wound on any that has a T value instead. I mean why is it so much more effective at downing dreads than it is at downing AdMech 'bots? Edited July 25, 2016 by Player 404

[Brofist]

 

I think the deredeo lascannons are v expensive for 2 shots... Maybe against heavy flyers but otherwise v v pricey.

2 Shots BS5 Twin-Linked with each pen causing another automatic Ignores Cover Pen? A bit expensive but very effective to me.

 

 

It's not automatic though. You have to roll a 4+ after you get a pen to get your ignores cover pen, so it's only triggering 50% of the time. I don't think they're as great as people belive. Devastating against flyers for sure, but against say AV14 it's something like a .5 pens followed by a .25 to get a second one. One in four shots basically.

 

If it cost less, or maybe for hunting lighter armour, I'd make a case. I think it's tailored to shoot down fliers though where AV12 is probably the highest you'll go up against.

[Slips]

Well, while it is expensive, its doing something the Deredeo currently has a harder time doing: tackling heavy armour. S8 Sunder is all well and good but at Ap4 with no hopes of an explodes, you're basically stuck glancing stuff to death. You're also not getting any of the other results on the vehicle damage chart.

 

While Exoshock proc is only ±50%, its still an automatic pen no questions asked.

 

Its still S10 Ap2.

[01RTB01]

 

I think the deredeo lascannons are v expensive for 2 shots... Maybe against heavy flyers but otherwise v v pricey.

2 Shots BS5 Twin-Linked with each pen causing another automatic Ignores Cover Pen? A bit expensive but very effective to me.

They're not twin linked sadly :( [and it's 50/50 on the extra pen] Edited July 26, 2016 by 01RTB01

[Flint13]

 

We need a Hydra Patteren Murder Dreadnaught that has 6 arms: 2 for the deredo lascannon battery, 1 leviathan murder dril, 1 leviathan snippy claw, 1 grav bombard, 1 with a big middle finger waving frantically at everything.

Now THAT's what a Defiler should look like!

 

+ Edit :

 

The one thing I don' tquite like about those Lascannons is the lack of equivalent against 'fleshy' targets like Thanatars... Something that doubles or multiplies the number of wounds by d3 would have been appropriate.

Look no further than the Leviathans Snippy Claw.

 

It just feels off that the lascannon can inflict two Pens (and thus HP "wounds") on a vehicle with AV and yet is limited to one wound on any that has a T value instead. I mean why is it so much more effective at downing dreads than it is at downing AdMech 'bots?

 

Mechanicum. 

 

Admech won't exist for another 10k years until they sell out like a bad popstar.

 

Micro-pet peeve of mine. 

 

 

 

I think the deredeo lascannons are v expensive for 2 shots... Maybe against heavy flyers but otherwise v v pricey.

2 Shots BS5 Twin-Linked with each pen causing another automatic Ignores Cover Pen? A bit expensive but very effective to me.

They're not twin linked sadly [and it's 50/50 on the extra pen]

 

 

That's the thing though, they can't do all the things and still be cost effective. 

 

If the new lascannon array was twin-linked, dealt 1d3 wounds on top of what it already does, that's a 75+ point upgrade, easy.

 

Peeps are already saying its an upgrade that's good, but verging on too expensive.