Marshal Reinhard Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Me getting more than one would be contingent on them releasing more cool options for it first I think, even though at release, he's already got more options than the Eddy (Is the Eddy not getting more? There's the obvious pavise thingy that I'm not sure would even want though it has interesting applications.... Part of me wonders if the Leviathan actually came about because the Eddy wasn't nearly as warmly recieved as they'd hoped (Contemptor levels)) But the Leviathan already has two shooty and two choppy options, and not expecting too many chassis variants for either Eddy or Levvy. Also still expecting a Fury down the line, which I thought this was when I first saw it's picture. And we have new contemptor variant coming, described as a light dedicated cc variant. Dreads everywhere. And I approve Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315048-leviathan-siege-dread-tactics/page/3/#findComment-4202561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 Slipstream's dreadnought bonanza fantasies are coming true :P Can the community come to a consensus that the Dreadclaw can carry this beast and Deredeos? I'm thinking of shooting FW an email to include this caveat to their new FAQ. It'd be great to let them use regular legion dread drop pods too. Gorgoff, Flint13, disease and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315048-leviathan-siege-dread-tactics/page/3/#findComment-4202838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I'd send them an email just to make sure. Can you imagine the look on someone's face if this thing can drop pod in? I'd give it the phosphex discharger for sure, for the ultimate carnage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315048-leviathan-siege-dread-tactics/page/3/#findComment-4202916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 Yeah I shot them an email on it about both the Dreadclaw and the legion dread drop pod :) For now I'm making an argument that you can use a dreadclaw especially considering you pay 100 points for the dang thing anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315048-leviathan-siege-dread-tactics/page/3/#findComment-4202925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Well, If I ever (more like eventually) buy a Stormbird, you can be damn sure that when I get to use it, It'll be loaded with 1+ Leviathan Dreads you can be damn sure about that. Hell, If we're playing Apoc and do away with the FoC, I'd attempt to fill a Bird with 5 Levis. That'd be one Hilarious Clown Car of Murder. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315048-leviathan-siege-dread-tactics/page/3/#findComment-4202932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caladancid Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Let's not talk any nonsense about mortis contemptors getting reduced to BS 4 haha. Scared me for a second. Every time more non box dreads are released it just brings me closer to an all dread army. Can't wait for the FA variety. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315048-leviathan-siege-dread-tactics/page/3/#findComment-4202951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 Ok they replied quickly with the ubiquitous "House rule" stuff, but the light at the end of the tunnel said they forwarded the query to the design team to review and make changes if they deem it :) WHERE ARE YOUR FAQ GODS NOW GW?!?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315048-leviathan-siege-dread-tactics/page/3/#findComment-4202974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 That's not an answer. Some people would just nope all over it. Curses Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315048-leviathan-siege-dread-tactics/page/3/#findComment-4202989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Yeah but how many people would deny you spending 400+ points on a Single Dread and his pod? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315048-leviathan-siege-dread-tactics/page/3/#findComment-4202991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Slipstream's dreadnought bonanza fantasies are coming true Can the community come to a consensus that the Dreadclaw can carry this beast and Deredeos? I'm thinking of shooting FW an email to include this caveat to their new FAQ. It'd be great to let them use regular legion dread drop pods too. Apparently at the Open Day, Andy Hoare himself said that this is not acceptable, and that Dreadclaws can only carry box-dreads and Contemptor chassis. People asked. He also said the Leviathan isn't legal for ZM. :( Kharybdis claws maybe? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315048-leviathan-siege-dread-tactics/page/3/#findComment-4202994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 If you sacrifice 2 HS Slots and over 500 Points just to get the Leviathan across the board, I dont actually see why anyone would say no :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315048-leviathan-siege-dread-tactics/page/3/#findComment-4202998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 Slipstream's dreadnought bonanza fantasies are coming true Can the community come to a consensus that the Dreadclaw can carry this beast and Deredeos? I'm thinking of shooting FW an email to include this caveat to their new FAQ. It'd be great to let them use regular legion dread drop pods too. Apparently at the Open Day, Andy Hoare himself said that this is not acceptable, and that Dreadclaws can only carry box-dreads and Contemptor chassis. People asked. He also said the Leviathan isn't legal for ZM. :( Kharybdis claws maybe? Ew, he wouldn't know because he's a guard tread head. How the hell do legions get siege dreads on the field of nothing can transport them? Also, when you're drop pod assaulting a city, would you then say "oh crap, we can't bring our SIEGE dreads, let's grab the regular ones"? Smh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315048-leviathan-siege-dread-tactics/page/3/#findComment-4203009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Stormbird? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315048-leviathan-siege-dread-tactics/page/3/#findComment-4203024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Stormbird? And Thunderhawk. And potentially even Mastodon until we see its rules. Hell, if we get the Giant Mole Drill Ordinatus you'd possibly be able to use that thing instead. "Walls? Who cares about the walls! Once were out they'll be trapped in here with us!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315048-leviathan-siege-dread-tactics/page/3/#findComment-4203026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 Stormbird? And Thunderhawk. And potentially even Mastodon until we see its rules. Hell, if we get the Giant Mole Drill Ordinatus you'd possibly be able to use that thing instead. "Walls? Who cares about the walls! Once were out they'll be trapped in here with us!" Carlos "El Chapo" Guzman approves of this tunneling technique :P Brother Aiwass 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315048-leviathan-siege-dread-tactics/page/3/#findComment-4203031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 And so does Roschrach if the movie is anything to go by :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315048-leviathan-siege-dread-tactics/page/3/#findComment-4203035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 · Hidden by Flint13, October 21, 2015 - No reason given Hidden by Flint13, October 21, 2015 - No reason given Slipstream's dreadnought bonanza fantasies are coming true Can the community come to a consensus that the Dreadclaw can carry this beast and Deredeos? I'm thinking of shooting FW an email to include this caveat to their new FAQ. It'd be great to let them use regular legion dread drop pods too. Apparently at the Open Day, Andy Hoare himself said that this is not acceptable, and that Dreadclaws can only carry box-dreads and Contemptor chassis. People asked. He also said the Leviathan isn't legal for ZM. Kharybdis claws maybe? I forget the have Andy Hoare in the team. Urgh. And they wonder why they can't actually write rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315048-leviathan-siege-dread-tactics/page/3/#findComment-4203279
Slips Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 · Hidden by Flint13, October 21, 2015 - No reason given Hidden by Flint13, October 21, 2015 - No reason given Slipstream's dreadnought bonanza fantasies are coming true Can the community come to a consensus that the Dreadclaw can carry this beast and Deredeos? I'm thinking of shooting FW an email to include this caveat to their new FAQ. It'd be great to let them use regular legion dread drop pods too. Apparently at the Open Day, Andy Hoare himself said that this is not acceptable, and that Dreadclaws can only carry box-dreads and Contemptor chassis. People asked. He also said the Leviathan isn't legal for ZM. Kharybdis claws maybe? I forget the have Andy Hoare in the team. Urgh. And they wonder why they can't actually write rules. Hey, it could be worse >_> FW cant be perfect, after all. /sarcasm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315048-leviathan-siege-dread-tactics/page/3/#findComment-4203284
TemujinZero Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Dreadclaws can't even carry contemptors outside of the Orbital Assault RoW if my understanding is correct. I think the only hope is an update to the Dreadnought Drop Pod. That would confirm the Leviathan as a potent unit, though I wish they'd fix the grav bombard against vehicles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315048-leviathan-siege-dread-tactics/page/3/#findComment-4204431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Dreadclaws can't even carry contemptors outside of the Orbital Assault RoW if my understanding is correct. I think the only hope is an update to the Dreadnought Drop Pod. That would confirm the Leviathan as a potent unit, though I wish they'd fix the grav bombard against vehicles. There's debate around that. RAW technically it can't carry any dreadnought as it just says "dreadnought" and not "legion dreadnought" or the specific for the contemptor like the Dread-pod does. But that's silly, so most people here acknowledge that you can stuff any class of dreadnought into one of those things. Imo the bombard shouldn't reward you too much just for taking it. It already ruins infantry and has the potential to do damage to vehicles; it doesn't need to be fantastic against vehicles or there'd be no reason ever to take the storm cannons depthcharge12 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315048-leviathan-siege-dread-tactics/page/3/#findComment-4204485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 There's always the meltagun in his hands too. If you kept one arm at least. Not everyone takes armoured ceramite on everything, so there's another cheeky bonus. Still wouldn't shirk a none bonus melta vs av 12 to be honest Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315048-leviathan-siege-dread-tactics/page/3/#findComment-4204564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 And even if you dont swap both arms out thats potentially 4 S8 Hits (2 Melta Shots + 2S8 HoW) before Combat Actually Starts. Couple that with 5 I5 S10 Ap2 Wounds which each can potentially cause D3 Extra Wounds each. That Gargantuan Creature is probably going bye bye... Flint13 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315048-leviathan-siege-dread-tactics/page/3/#findComment-4204565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TemujinZero Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 I think that a claw/drill build, relying on the meltas and volkites for shooting, would be pretty cool if there's some way to transport it. Flint13 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315048-leviathan-siege-dread-tactics/page/3/#findComment-4204615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Apparently, it isnt even though it has the same base size as a Deredeo who comes with a "Made Especially for ZM Ops" wargear in the shape of the Antomantic Pavise ( Btw a Deredeo with Plasma and Pavise + a Leviathan walking together = 3++ on the Levi....500+ points though). IIRC theres a limit on 60mm bases being the maximum size allowed for ZM Games. Both being on 80mm's means...yeah. On the Flipside, however, I'd be cool with just letting you run the damn thing since ZM Games are usually 1-1.5k points games and sinking ~300 Into a single dread is enough of a drawback. Pavise only works on infantry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315048-leviathan-siege-dread-tactics/page/3/#findComment-4205184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 The leviathan is the only dread that can't have a pod as dedicated transport and arguably the one that needs it most. I'm unsure on the deredeo saying that but it's a long ranged dread so that doesn't matter. Hopefully we get an errata rapidly! Anvillus or dread pod I don't mind but something is needed Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315048-leviathan-siege-dread-tactics/page/3/#findComment-4205212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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