Guardsman1275 Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I was wondering if a Steel Legion (mech) list could be viable and what a good list would look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Yes, yes it is. I play it the most. Vets in Chimeras, Russ, CCS, Steel Host, and, perhaps, some hellhounds. A solid concept to roll with, but treed lightly (see what I did there) because it has a few poor matchups and needs excellent target prioritization to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukash_ Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Absolutely. You'll need a bunch of Chimeras, some Leman Russes, and your choice of support (Wyverns, Manticores, Vendettas...) A typical list for me looks something like: HQ: Command Exterminator (lascannon, heavy bolter sponsons), Eradicator CCS (Chimera, 2x Plasma Guns, Medic, Carapace Armor) Troops: Veteran Squad (3x Meltaguns, Bolter, Chimera) Veteran Squad (3x Meltaguns, Bolter, Chimera) Infantry Platoon (PCS w/Chimera and Missile Launcher, 2x Infantry Squads each with Chimera and Flamer) Fast Attack: Hellhound (Dozer Blade) Heavy Support: Leman Russ MBT Wyvern This is exactly 1500 pts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Agreed, Mech Guard can put a lot of AV12 on the table. With Vet squads you can mount some serious fire power inside too - if you mechanise Platoon, well you're going to run out of points before options ;) As mentioned it requires some attention to pull off as you can't just batter at the opponent but there is a lot you can do with a mobile list. Remember to keep a good balance and that you still need numbers so don't get drawn to too many toys :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman1275 Posted November 3, 2015 Author Share Posted November 3, 2015 I really like how the steel legion look, I just hope they come out with plastic models soon. the list lukash posted looks great I have used a similar list in the past. I am not 100% conviced of the effectiveness of the eradicator, but I have not used it much so I may be missing something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukash_ Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Eradicator really depends on your opponents. Against non-Space Marine Armies like Tau, Renegades and Heretics, etc. it can be pretty amazing for the price. Otherwise drop 10 points somewhere and pick up another Exterminator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Agreed. The Eradicator is a good option for a more balanced list, cheap and extremely effective. As said if you're expecting to face a reasonable amount of Marines though an Exterminator is a better alternative so you can splat some light armour/transports quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 If you're really wanting to go mech, I cannot recommend the Steel Host formation enough. A huge bubble of Preferred Enemy is a huge boon to tanks that are often rolling +2 to wound anyway. It also helps to make executioners safer to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman1275 Posted November 3, 2015 Author Share Posted November 3, 2015 well time to search ebay for some chimeras, the 5 chimeras I need will cost 186$ alone, and since I want to get some metal steel legion to act as vets that will inflate the cost quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steellegionnaire85 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Steel legion aren't cheap that's for sure. Good luck I look forward to seeing your progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman1275 Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 The way GW has handelled Steel Legion models shows a remarkable lack of insight as to how people play mech guard. As an example, the special/heavy weapons available from GW for SL models are, the rocket launcher, the grenade launcher, the lascannon, and the plasmagun. In a mech list the only two of these that will see any use is the lascannon and plasma cannon. No melta, no flamers. Also I am not a fan of including special weapons in metal kits, since it forces you to buy multiple kits to put together one squad. To put the final nail in the coffin, at least for me, the models do not even look as good as the plastic cadians, and that is a very old kit. Overall price, quality, and necessary kitbashing for special weapons mean that until the model line for steel legion is updated I will not purchase them and would not reccomend others do. The guard have the next codex after chaos according to rumors, so wait until a new model line is released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with your assessment of the steel legion models. They're beautiful and much better proportioned than Cadians in my opinion. The carbine lasguns and weapons are very nice. Their missile launcher models are great. The sergeants are characterful, imo. Them and the Tallarn come so very close to making me ditch Cadians but the cost was always too much and now just getting the models would be a pain. As far as specialy weapons, converting the grenade launcher into a meltagun would be relatively easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman1275 Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 but for a less ranty post how does this list lookit is based off of lukrash_'s list, but I added some MT and a manticore, but I removed the CCS hellhound and wyvern. 1500 point list HQ LR Exterminator lascannon LR eradicator 280 Troops Platoon Command Squad Heavy Flamer Flamer Chimera 110 2x Infantry Squad Flamer Chimera 220 Veterans 2x Meltagun Chimera 145 Veterans 2x Meltagun Chimera 145 Elites 2x Scions 2x Meltaguns 180 Fast Attack 2x Armoured Sentinel lascannon 100 Heavy Support LRBT 150 Manticore 170 total 1500 points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman1275 Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 I took a second look at the SL and agree that they look great, but the cost is way to high, and the special weapons they come with are IMO useless for a mech list, since they are mid to long range weapons, and the point of mech is to get up close and personal, or at least that is how I play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 The models are old, from a different time and a different game so the options they have are limited. That's what conversions are for though ;) Mech Guard need to tread the line between mobility and numbers after that it's all about target prioritisation and how you go about that. Ideally you want to isolate and destroy targets so they can't effectively attack back (vehicles are very vulnerable to close combat) but that is often easier said than done as your opponent is impolitely trying to prevent that :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman1275 Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 What do you think about adding the scions? They are pretty squishy but having deep strikers gives you a lot of mobility. I gave them melta beause they can get in melta range as soon as turn 2 if you are lucky. As for another word on the steel legion, rumors say the IG/AM are getting a new codex after chaos sometime in february/march maybe we will get an upgraded model line with plastic Steel Legion/vostroyans. Honestly I wish that the other plastic line was something other than Catachan, I have never liked how they look or the regiments personality. I perfer the SL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukash_ Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 If you want some more varied models and are willing to go third party, I recommend Mad Robot Miniatures' Urban Shocktroops. The only think they need is a gas mask tube (green stuff.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman1275 Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 I kind of want to stick to cadians for now, at least until SL come out in plastic. Models aside what do you think of the list I posted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I think the Scions add some AT that should be able to hit hard against the right target and could make a big difference, but you've got a fair few meltas already so maybe they might be better off with plasma? Still a threat to most armour as they'll be striking side/rear armour but allows them to shoot other hard targets too. I've not heard any Guard rumours, where did you hear about a new codex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman1275 Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 In a thread I was reading someone mentioned that their local GW shop owner had said that the next books are tau, chaos, then guard. So far he has been right about tau, and chaos and guard are the only two major faction that do not have a 7th edition codex, so it would make sense. I will see if I can find a link to the thread. here is the direct quote Months ago I spoke to my local GW manage about when AM would be getting an update. He said that Tau would likely be released, then Chaos and then finally AM. So far his been right about Tau. Chaos is sure to be next. So a new AM codex/army isn't too far away. here is the link https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/3pgj7c/ig_codex_not_7th_edition/ On another topic what do you think of the sentinels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I think I remember now. Sadly from the mouth of a GW manager usually means very little but it is a fair enough guess that we roughly agree with. Time will tell, hopefully sooner rather than later! I know not everyone likes lascannon Sentinels but they've proven useful stalking the battlefield for me offering some variety in the advancing lines for a mech list. Very fluffy for Steel Legion too but I wouldn't take more than a couple as they are a little expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman1275 Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 Obviously it would be preferable for GW to releasse the new AM codex next month, where they add plastic vostroyans, death korps, mordians and SL. However that will not happen so som etime in february-march seems more reasonable. I have a question about the steel host, does the HQ choice in the detachment count as an HQ choice for the whole army? also I know that the detachment gives you 1 more HS slot to fill with the hydra can you take any choices on top of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'm Heckus Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Sentinels are hit-or-miss as far as performance goes but I still take a unit of them in every game. They are quite fluffy (armored at least) for SL. Armored with lascannon was refereed to as "Armageddon pattern" in one of the old books (4th?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greycat Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 @guardsmen1275 Yes it does count as a HQ but you have to run an unbound list to take it anyway. It is a tank commander, 3 squadrons of leman russes and the hydra. So at minimum you need 5 russes and the hydra, as the tank commander always need another tank with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardsman1275 Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share Posted November 5, 2015 It sucks that you have to run unbound to take it, that makes it pretty much useless in my eyes, since you lose the ability to take objectives with your tanks if I am not incorrect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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