blue Thousand sons in Horus Heresy?

[Kingofmottinos]

Hi!

2016 will be the year of Space wolves and Thousand sons in Horus Heresy, so I'm planning to build a Thousand Sons army. I like their background, I like Magnus and I like the 40k blue scheme. The problem is, originally they were red, while I'd like to paint them using the 40k blue scheme. Providing that I'll play during the siege of Terra, could I have them painted in blue according to the background? I know Forgeworld changed a lot of things in Horus Heresy books, so I will get a definitive answer only the next year, but I'd like to, you know, "get used" to the idea that eventually I might have to paint them in red. Soooooo... what do you think?

[Noserenda]

As written the Ksons went blue some time after the Heresy when Ahriman cast the Rubric, that said, if you want Blue Thousand sons, theres no reason you cant say your force is under different colours for some reason, theres plenty of precedent for it in the Heresy era with other Legions :) 

[Kingofmottinos]

As written the Ksons went blue some time after the Heresy when Ahriman cast the Rubric, that said, if you want Blue Thousand sons, theres no reason you cant say your force is under different colours for some reason, theres plenty of precedent for it in the Heresy era with other Legions

Oh ok thanks! I really really wanted them blue, happy to know I can do that :)

[Spinsanity]

Regarding the rubric / blue KSons

According to the first Ahriman book, it was a while after the rubric was cast that they turned blue, actually...

 

 

+Edit: Wow, I need a coffee this morning, took me like 6 attempts to write a pair of tags correctly... ugh

[Kingofmottinos]

Regarding the rubric / blue KSons

 

According to the first Ahriman book, it was a while after the rubric was cast that they turned blue, actually...

 

 

+Edit: Wow, I need a coffee this morning, took me like 6 attempts to write a pair of tags correctly... ugh

Well, what really concerns me is if it is justified to paint them in blue. I guess that I can say that some companies were like "trying" new schemes and one of them was a blue one, the one that Ahriman chose later after the rubric. Would that work? 

[Spinsanity]

 

Regarding the rubric / blue KSons

 

According to the first Ahriman book, it was a while after the rubric was cast that they turned blue, actually...

 

 

+Edit: Wow, I need a coffee this morning, took me like 6 attempts to write a pair of tags correctly... ugh

Well, what really concerns me is if it is justified to paint them in blue. I guess that I can say that some companies were like "trying" new schemes and one of them was a blue one, the one that Ahriman chose later after the rubric. Would that work?

 

I'd have a hard time fitting in blue armour into the pre-rubric KSons, but it's still your marines and you're always free to do as you damn well please. You might want to wait for FW to come up with official heraldry, if you want, but once again, if they say there were no blue sons, what would you do?

 

Explain it whichever way you want that you think fits.

[Kingofmottinos]

 

 

Regarding the rubric / blue KSons

 

According to the first Ahriman book, it was a while after the rubric was cast that they turned blue, actually...

 

 

+Edit: Wow, I need a coffee this morning, took me like 6 attempts to write a pair of tags correctly... ugh

Well, what really concerns me is if it is justified to paint them in blue. I guess that I can say that some companies were like "trying" new schemes and one of them was a blue one, the one that Ahriman chose later after the rubric. Would that work?

 

I'd have a hard time fitting in blue armour into the pre-rubric KSons, but it's still your marines and you're always free to do as you damn well please. You might want to wait for FW to come up with official heraldry, if you want, but once again, if they say there were no blue sons, what would you do?

 

Explain it whichever way you want that you think fits.

 

Well, if they say there were no blue sons, I'd have my hands tied, I'd paint them red... but if there isn't any clear indication that there were NOT blue marines, or green ones or whatever colour you can think of, well, I'd paint them in blue and I would provide a solid background :) I think that would work

[ShVagYeR]

It is a canon conflict, but there is a source that shows blue-armoured Thousand Sons at the launch of the Furious Abyss. That's early Heresy if I recall correctly.

 

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/File:Blades_of_The_Traitor.jpg

[Jamafore]

"A specialist company under Guffy MacGufferson, they have painted their armour a blue and gold as according to the whims of their commanding officer. No one knows why Cpt. MacGufferson decided on this color scheme and when asked his only reply was, "Just as planned."

 

A snarky reason but I think it could work. With a few name changes of course :P

[Kingofmottinos]

"A specialist company under Guffy MacGufferson, they have painted their armour a blue and gold as according to the whims of their commanding officer. No one knows why Cpt. MacGufferson decided on this color scheme and when asked his only reply was, "Just as planned."

A snarky reason but I think it could work. With a few name changes of course

It is a canon conflict, but there is a source that shows blue-armoured Thousand Sons at the launch of the Furious Abyss. That's early Heresy if I recall correctly.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/File:Blades_of_The_Traitor.jpg

Thank you very much! Now I'll have no problem with my blue Thousand sons! :)

[Xenith]

There's always the "Blades of the Traitor" artwork, which features A Blue Thousand Son at a council of horus during the heresy, mid change...however this features rubric marines, which didn't exist until after the heresy....

 

 

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/4/4f/Blades_of_The_Traitor.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121005170412

 

I really want to do Thousand Sons also, however already have a blood Angel army, so don't really want to do another red/gold power armoured army.

[Excessus]

It is a canon conflict, but there is a source that shows blue-armoured Thousand Sons at the launch of the Furious Abyss. That's early Heresy if I recall correctly.

 

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/File:Blades_of_The_Traitor.jpg

If you look closely on the Thousand Sons armours in that pic, you can see they are in transition from red to blue, but there are some inconsistencies in the image. Like Ahriman's helm, he didn't get that until a looong time after the heresy ended.

[Atia]

 

It is a canon conflict, but there is a source that shows blue-armoured Thousand Sons at the launch of the Furious Abyss. That's early Heresy if I recall correctly.

 

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/File:Blades_of_The_Traitor.jpg

If you look closely on the Thousand Sons armours in that pic, you can see they are in transition from red to blue, but there are some inconsistencies in the image. Like Ahriman's helm, he didn't get that until a looong time after the heresy ended.

 

STOOOOOOOOOP!

 

actually, it was confirmed that this pic is no longer canon, as it's just a "dream version" Maloghurst had (there is a short story about that!).

 

if you look close, there are other things that are false, including a non-Daemon Fulgrim

[Lord Commander Scrymgeour]

Do what you want. As has been previously said there's all sorts of reasons why they could be blue. Enjoy your hobby!

[Atia]

Do what you want. As has been previously said there's all sorts of reasons why they could be blue. Enjoy your hobby!

yeah of course ^^

 

but if you want to go with the fluff, they weren't blue 'till after Ahriman casts the Rubric :/

[Doctor Perils]

Do you think a mainly red colour scheme with blue and gold sections (for instance the pauldrons, as they are the most evident part of a model) could work ? A bit like this (obviously to be worked on)

[ShVagYeR]

I guess that could work for Ahriman's retinue. He had some purplish blue adornments prior to the scouring of Prospero as evidenced on the cover of A Thousand Sons.

 

Unless this also has been retconned. :D Atia?

[Atia]

I guess that could work for Ahriman's retinue. He had some purplish blue adornments prior to the scouring of Prospero as evidenced on the cover of A Thousand Sons.

Unless this also has been retconned. Atia?

No, that should be fine ^,^

Btw, I like red 1k sons @ terra, after all, they didn't do that much during the heresy, so a red HH 1k sons force would only be usably for Prospero if they would be already blue at terra :/

[Kingofmottinos]

 

I guess that could work for Ahriman's retinue. He had some purplish blue adornments prior to the scouring of Prospero as evidenced on the cover of A Thousand Sons.

 

Unless this also has been retconned. :D Atia?

 

No, that should be fine ^,^

 

Btw, I like red 1k sons @ terra, after all, they didn't do that much during the heresy, so a red HH 1k sons force would only be usably for Prospero if they would be already blue at terra :/

So, would that mean red on prospero, blue on terra?

[Kraytirous]

It means do whatever you want, mate. The Legions are absolutely massive. Who is to say Company 26 didn't get lost in the Warp, the commander convinced to join the Heresy by a Word Bearer hanging out with 'em, and allied with Tzeentch? Blamo, you have blue armor. If you want to represent any of the official forces that fought in the Heresy in an official manner, then you will adhere to Atia's will. If you don't, then go bonkers!

[Excessus]

...you mean FWs will? ;)

 

Red Thousand Sons is pretty confirmed for the legion on terra. Ahriman had it, Amon had it, others had it too.

 

As said above, if you would like to move in a blue direction, you are free to do so and come up with a backstory for it. The universe is a big place.

[Kingofmottinos]

There's a terrible conflict inside my head, I want them blue but I want them fluffy and 'official' ... Guess I could even write to Forgeworld. In the meantime, think I could come up with a red scheme I like, just to have a plan B

[Lord Commander Scrymgeour]

maybe they've been on secondment with the Alpha legion and were convinced to dress as Ultramarines?