Canadian_F_H Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Well... I just picked up the current am codex so you can rest assured a new codex is on the horizon... Y'all are welcome... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316192-rumoured-imperial-guard-codex-in-february/page/5/#findComment-4241842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 I just sold mine so I guess we're back at zero :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316192-rumoured-imperial-guard-codex-in-february/page/5/#findComment-4241885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 If we want a hoard army, I say remove the infantry platoon tax and let us pick and choose portions of them to use at whim.  Fluff wise it would fit in as there are whole Penal Legions.  So if I did want to flood the board with up to 50 conscripts led by a CCS or a Commissar, why shouldn't I. ​"Take any combination of 50 models from a Platoon, HWT's count as 'two models' "​? How's that? ​or "​Take any combination of 5 units from a Platoon" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316192-rumoured-imperial-guard-codex-in-february/page/5/#findComment-4241887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kontakt Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 In terms of what they could do with platoons, the options are limitless. Anything from blob supporting to customization (Heavy weapons platoons, blob platoons, Melta overload platoons, etc). A veteran platoon would be a nice option as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316192-rumoured-imperial-guard-codex-in-february/page/5/#findComment-4241919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Well... I just picked up the current am codex so you can rest assured a new codex is on the horizon... Y'all are welcome... Your dedication to the cause will not be forgotten! :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316192-rumoured-imperial-guard-codex-in-february/page/5/#findComment-4242121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015  Well... I just picked up the current am codex so you can rest assured a new codex is on the horizon... Y'all are welcome...Your dedication to the cause will not be forgotten! :P Thanks!   As for platoon options...  I'm pretty sure way way back they used to have a heavy weapons platoon as a heavy support choice... Pcs +1-5 hws  And the ccs was a command platoon that could take hws also... Maybe some other things I'm not sure... It's been a very long time... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316192-rumoured-imperial-guard-codex-in-february/page/5/#findComment-4242408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 That might be an older Apoc formation too if I remember right. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316192-rumoured-imperial-guard-codex-in-february/page/5/#findComment-4242473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phubar Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 It would be great if we could choose the 2 mandatory squads in the platoon, leaving the same limit for each type as it is now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316192-rumoured-imperial-guard-codex-in-february/page/5/#findComment-4242573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caine 24th Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 I'd really really like to see heavy weapon teams get some updates. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316192-rumoured-imperial-guard-codex-in-february/page/5/#findComment-4244121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulpine Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Tell you what they SHOULD do. Larger infantry sets.  Click and play and around a £1 per model Inc heavy/special weapons. Box sets of 30-35  The multipart is old news or for vet kits. The guard don't really need this... Still the verient poses can be achieved. Look at the chaos cultists!  A guard army now, built as you would like it cost too much. Space marines can ( especially with the new 30k box set) do a 2000pt army for £180-260.  Guard, cost between £400 and £600  It needs sorting!!!  Why the need to buy men in boxs and 10? And why seprate legs, 2 arms, heads? How many posses do we need? In my opinion around 6 posses. (To be honest, with only 6 sets of arms and only so much head movement, that's kind of what you get).  So my box set 24 lasgun men 3 Sargents/officer/commissars (weapon option arms and heads) 3 Spcaial weapon men - Who have a click in Lasgun, Flamer, Plaz, Grn or Melta. 3 Heavy weapon teams.  That way you can make 3 squads and a Hev team. Or 3 squads with Hev teams and command Platton/Hq Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316192-rumoured-imperial-guard-codex-in-february/page/5/#findComment-4244139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulpine Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Two of the above boxes- 1 command 6 squads (3 with Hev weps) 1 Hev wep squad.  That's a basic Platton and a vet squad....or the 6th squad could be SW squad or command HQ. £30-35 per box!  Do a Cadian, Catachan and perhaps a steel legion box. Done and only 3 new boxes on the shelf. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316192-rumoured-imperial-guard-codex-in-february/page/5/#findComment-4244145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Welll.... They used to come in boxes of twenty... Same sprues as Cadians and catechan use currently... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316192-rumoured-imperial-guard-codex-in-february/page/5/#findComment-4244281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Vulpine, you have a pretty good idea there, but there's a glaring problem, GW isn't interested in condensing boxes, they want to maximize their profits. So they want to make players buy more stuff. Space Marines don't cost much because they're really the beginner army. Their stats make them easy to win with, and their play style has so much variation, which makes them really easy to play.  I really want to see a regimental tactics rule, for Cadians, Catachans, Mordians, Valhallans, Steel Legion, Harakoni Warhawks, Stormtroopers, Vostroyans, Tallarn, Atillans, and Elysians. I want to see the Penal legions return, and I'd like to see the last chancers return, along with Marbo, and Gaunts ghosts. I want to see them come back as units like they used to be. I want to see the other regiment's officers come back as unique characters.  I also want to see old models get new kits. Plastic Vostroyans, kasrkin, mordians, valhallans, steel legionaries, tallarn, and atillans. I'd also like to see some points reductions for some of our units. I'd also like to see some more flyer love, a plastic Vulture would be nice, or at least something that fulfills that role. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316192-rumoured-imperial-guard-codex-in-february/page/5/#findComment-4244308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 As for click and play... You get better milage or of the plastic 5 man snap box now when you focus on using your multi part boxes for unit specialists... Â As is the 10 man Cadian box + pcs can build 2 vox, a lieutenant, a sgt, a medic, a standard, 2 flamer, 2 grenade launcher, a heavy flamer, a plasma rifle, a sniper, and a meltagun... Â That's 15 guys... No grunts... Buy a couple boxes of the snap fits... 2 boxes is 9usd cheaper than the ten man multi part and you used every upgrade bit possible on the multi part kit... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316192-rumoured-imperial-guard-codex-in-february/page/5/#findComment-4244341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Newton Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 If they really wanted to they could do a multi kit that had long coat legs and it could be used for steel legion, vostroyans, mordians, and valhalans. They could make the chest close to the same for most of them as well and go with epelets separate for mordians, valhallen heads could have the fur neck attached, vostroyans could have just a different head. They would all be different yet in a single box using legs to limit the amount built just like space marines. They could even do both arms attached to the lasguns and only fitting a specific chest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316192-rumoured-imperial-guard-codex-in-february/page/5/#findComment-4244888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulpine Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Point is cheaper don't always mean less profit. If a box makes 50% profit instead of 100% and you sell 4x the amount you make more... Â Sell em cheap pile then high!!! Â But GW will still make a load, plastic spru is cheap. Look at warlord/Peri. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316192-rumoured-imperial-guard-codex-in-february/page/5/#findComment-4244975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Point is cheaper don't always mean less profit. If a box makes 50% profit instead of 100% and you sell 4x the amount you make more...  Sell em cheap pile then high!!!  But GW will still make a load, plastic spru is cheap. Look at warlord/Peri. I don't want to derail this thread too much, but they're making a ton of money right now, we keep buying regardless of what they do. Why would they incur the expense of doing something else that, while it could make them money doesn't do a ton to their bottom line. Yeah they could make more if they made guard boxes the way you described, they could make more in volume if they cut their markup by half too, and they could make a ton more if they focused on the game just as much as the models, because they wouldn't sell models without the game, since that's about 60% of their customer base. All that aside, the company is still in growth, and what they're currently doing is controlling that growth, since growth and loss are both unstable conditions, they need to keep it controlled so their stock prices don't take a sharp dive after a growth spike. It actually makes some business sense, unfortunately it sucks for the consumer.  I should have explained what I was getting at a bit better. You're absolutely right, you can get profit by high unit price or by volume, and sometimes both, thing is the market determines the going price, and right now their product is worth what the market will pay for it.  I'd like to see your idea come to fruition, I'm just explaining why I don't think it'll happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316192-rumoured-imperial-guard-codex-in-february/page/5/#findComment-4245048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 I don't think volume is a valid path to profits for GW. People by the millions would continue to choose not to buy minis no matter how low you cut prices. There may be a small amount of room to increase volume by cutting prices, but you'd very quickly be in a position where further price cuts would reduce profits.  Also, GW does not "make a load," Vulpine. Buying stock in a toilet tissue manufacturer would be more profitable than buying shares in GW ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316192-rumoured-imperial-guard-codex-in-february/page/5/#findComment-4247745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted December 10, 2015 Author Share Posted December 10, 2015 Being public is the issue. They make good money but the stock markets appetite is never satisfied. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316192-rumoured-imperial-guard-codex-in-february/page/5/#findComment-4248253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 The point is that their profit margins are unexceptional. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316192-rumoured-imperial-guard-codex-in-february/page/5/#findComment-4248558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 I think we've gone quite a bit of topic here.  Seeing rough riders get a formation and some buffs would be really cool, as well as giving them some new models (in some varieties, too. Some horsemen and bikers would be really neat). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316192-rumoured-imperial-guard-codex-in-february/page/5/#findComment-4248651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted December 12, 2015 Author Share Posted December 12, 2015 I'm banking on a decent Ogryn/Bullgryn formation in the next book. March forth the Auxiliaries! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316192-rumoured-imperial-guard-codex-in-february/page/5/#findComment-4250111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 I'm banking on a decent Ogryn/Bullgryn formation in the next book. March forth the Auxiliaries! Something a bit smaller than the current ones.  I'm hoping that GW makes the new decurion more scalable. Starts down under 500 points for the core, but so you can expand it to be larger. I also hope they make allowances for multiple builds.  I wouldn't mind seeing some of the Mont'Ka formations in the book, like the Emperor's Spear, or the Emperor's Fist, or even the Emperor's wrath. Those are pretty decent formations. I'm not opposed to them trying to get us to buy models we otherwise wouldn't by giving us formations with perks, just make them more manageable.  Like a sentinel formation that you can run with just 2, or an infantry platoon formation that doesn't require a minimum of 56 models. I like sentinels, I'd run them anyway, since I like walkers. They can go anywhere the infantry does, and they carry heavy weapons, and they're relentless because they're vehicles. They'd be better if they were BS4 but hey it's the guard. If I want BS4 walkers I can just ally in some dreads.  The emperor's shield has a lot of potential, if only they had paid a bit more attention to how it should work, rather than use it as a ham-fisted attempt to sell more models. If it could take dedicated transports, if it only needed to be 5 squads, rather than 5 infantry squads, if it had camo gear and just had MTC, so it wouldn't just be some dudes just marching forward. Something to keep it protected. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316192-rumoured-imperial-guard-codex-in-february/page/5/#findComment-4250225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 Safety in numbers! Surely they cant kill us all! ...can they? They can't right? Oh, Emperor we are all going to di*blam* Â [squad morale restored] Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316192-rumoured-imperial-guard-codex-in-february/page/5/#findComment-4251202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I think we should leave this for now, until we get any new whispers there isn't much else to say. Hopefully we can hear something soon but with Christmas coming we might have to wait until next year? Watch this space comrades and post again should you hear something of note Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316192-rumoured-imperial-guard-codex-in-february/page/5/#findComment-4251203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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