Lord Punterer Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Hey folks, I have lurked on the forum for quite a while now and even posted some stuff. It would have been a while ago though :) Betrayal at Calth arrived on my doorstep 5 minutes ago and I was wondering what to do with the set. I already have 5 cataphractiis, who are outfitted with the special weapons set, and I was wondering if you had any ideas on how to outfit the army. I am not a competitive player (although it is nice to win occasionally) and prefer to go rule of cool + fluff. Currently I have a list but it banks on getting a few extra models down the line (poor student) so I'm looking to use what I've got. I have thrown around the idea of a 20 man tac sqaud, a 10 man vet sqaud and a 10 man termie squad, and also 3 x 10 man vets. At this stage I just don't know anything, bar that those heavy bolters look sick as heck ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 If you like the HBs, why not make two 5 man headhunter kill teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Punterer Posted November 25, 2015 Author Share Posted November 25, 2015 I was thinking of chucking 2 in with a vet squad, and using the outflank vet tactic. I'm not a huge fan of either of the unique units :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Chaplain Behrtram Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 I'm also toying with the idea of starting an Alpha Legion 30k army out of the BaC starter. What about two 10 man Veteran squads and a 10 man Seeker/Headhunter squad? With Mutable Tactics and the Veterans choice of special rules, imo they reflect AL adaptability pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 If you're taking veteran squads, kit them at least out with full heavy bolters and give them sniper. The damage potential there is crazy. 2 10 man veteran squads and a 10 man terminator squad are a pretty standard base for a Pride of the Legion List, you'd need to look at transport for them though which will really add up for the terms. Seekers/Headhunters are a solid choice as they're scoring, at this moment in time seekers are better because they can take combi weapons but should the Headhunters get access to them they'll be a brutal unit. Contemptors/Rapiers/Sicarans/Laser Vindicators are all excellent choices to add further meat to your army. If you're looking at rule of cool though, take whatever tickles your fancy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 If you're taking veteran squads, kit them at least out with full heavy bolters and give them sniper. The damage potential there is crazy. I was thinking about getting the most out of the box. Two of the three HBs for the headhunters, and the other special/heavy weapons for the veteran squads. Maybe one with two meltas and one with two MLs. Add special rules to taste. BS5 Heavy bolters with banestrike ammo probably do more damage than BS4 heavy bolters. What do you mean by Seekers and Headhunters are scoring? Aren't all units scoring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 If you're taking veteran squads, kit them at least out with full heavy bolters and give them sniper. The damage potential there is crazy. I was thinking about getting the most out of the box. Two of the three HBs for the headhunters, and the other special/heavy weapons for the veteran squads. Maybe one with two meltas and one with two MLs. Add special rules to taste. BS5 Heavy bolters with banestrike ammo probably do more damage than BS4 heavy bolters. BS4 Heavy Bolters with Sniper (always wound on a 4+, 6s are Ap2) vs Banestrike 6s are Ap3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 What do you mean by Seekers and Headhunters are scoring? Aren't all units scoring? In 30k, only Troops are scoring. Certain units have Implacable Advance (like Seekers, Terminators and Headhunters), which makes a unit scoring even if it's not a Troops choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 If you're taking veteran squads, kit them at least out with full heavy bolters and give them sniper. The damage potential there is crazy. I was thinking about getting the most out of the box. Two of the three HBs for the headhunters, and the other special/heavy weapons for the veteran squads. Maybe one with two meltas and one with two MLs. Add special rules to taste. BS5 Heavy bolters with banestrike ammo probably do more damage than BS4 heavy bolters. BS4 Heavy Bolters with Sniper (always wound on a 4+, 6s are Ap2) vs Banestrike 6s are Ap3. Ah, I forgot about sniper. Yeah that's better. Free precision shots aren't bad either. @Caillum: As soon as I posted that question I remembered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 In 30k, only Troops are scoring. Certain units have Implacable Advance (like Seekers, Terminators and Headhunters), which makes a unit scoring even if it's not a Troops choice. That was 6th ed. In 7th ed, everything is scoring, but troops get ObSec. Implacable Advance has been fixed to give Ob Sec, as per the FW 7th ed errata. Basically, Alpha Legion get infiltrating Ob Sec veteran squads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Xenith, if you're playing 30k, you disregard the entire "Preparing For Battle" section of the 40k Rulebook and replace it with "Battles in the Age of Darkness" from Book Five: Tempest and the Mechanicum Red Book. Regarding the FAQ - Implacable Advance hasn't been "fixed"; it's been updated to allow people to play Space Marine Legions in 40k, for those who haven't got a 30k community to play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 That was 6th ed. In 7th ed, everything is scoring, but troops get ObSec. [Niptick]They only get ObSec in certain detachments. Compare a BA tactical squad in CAD to one in a BSF.[/Nitpick] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Xenith, if you're playing 30k, you disregard the entire "Preparing For Battle" section of the 40k Rulebook and replace it with "Battles in the Age of Darkness" from Book Five: Tempest and the Mechanicum Red Book. Regarding the FAQ - Implacable Advance hasn't been "fixed"; it's been updated to allow people to play Space Marine Legions in 40k, for those who haven't got a 30k community to play with. Ah, ok, I didnt realise that part in the FAQ was 40k only, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
times_of_woe Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 2x10 vets and 10 seekers, Can't go wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 2x10 vets and 10 seekers, Can't go wrong Isn't the box a bit light on combi-weapons for the seekers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraytirous Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 You get 3 full combi-weapons, but if you don't mind getting a little conversion happy, you can probably have an easy time of converting some of the Terminator combi-bolters or Space Marine bolters into combi-weapons. Unfortunately you can at most produce 3 more combi-plasmas (which are the best one for Seekers to take). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 2 vets and 1 seeker squad is an economical way to squeeze the most power out of the choices available in the BoC box. Combi-weapons are available in a pack, and are not too expensive. Although I honestly would wait for the HeadHunters models to appear and use them as Seekers instead. Since we're talking specifically Alpha Legion, you probably want to be able to field 30 tactical marines if you ever decide to do coils. Until Headhunters get the option of combi-weapons, don't let the BS5 and banestrike rounds fool you, this is a close combat unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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