[HH1.0] Black Shields Tactica

[unexplained]

Damn that sucks. Especially since it says Black Shield right under his name.

[Caillum]

If we're very lucky, they'll do updated rules for him as a Blackshield. They did for Cassian Dracos. :)

 

I'd just run a Biomancy Librarian counting as Morturg. And take some Mechanicum allies led by Calleb Decima!

[unexplained]

I like where your mind is.... thank you for un-crushing my narrative dreams.

[cyphxr]

Hey guys, I don't know if this has already been answered or clarified in the thread, as I just stumbled upon it now. 

 

Basically I am quite new to the Horus Heresy rules side of WH but my gaming club is thinking of running a campaign, and I am attracted to the kind of retribution driven Black Shields... so my question basically is where can I find a copy of the army list if anyone knows which book it is in?

[Sol_Invictus]

Hey guys, I don't know if this has already been answered or clarified in the thread, as I just stumbled upon it now.

 

Basically I am quite new to the Horus Heresy rules side of WH but my gaming club is thinking of running a campaign, and I am attracted to the kind of retribution driven Black Shields... so my question basically is where can I find a copy of the army list if anyone knows which book it is in?

Book 6 has the Blackshield specific rules and you'll also need the LACAL red book.

[Nusquam]

So Orphans of War got better/interesting with the new FAQRATTA. According to the PE rule the unit only needs one model with it in it, and the new FAQ says that things like PE activate against a mixed unit so long as it contains the correct type. So long as you have a Sarge and the enemy Squad does, thanks to the Orphans Characters having Preferred Enemy(Characters) you get PE against it.

Though if you have a friendly unit nearby you get to reroll 1s anyway... Good if you lose a character I suppose.

[orz]

Updated the list I posted a while back, thanks for the feedback. I've ditched the Destroyer squad and replaced it with a standard Assault Squad. Freeing up the points let me add a Forge Lord with a Vox for better deep striking (listed as combi-bolter, because Battlescribe is dumb), and some other things here and there. 

 

Still ~40 points to play with, open to suggestions. I should probably use it to fit in 20 more Levies, but I think I'll have a hard enough time converting and painting the 40 already there...

 

+++ Wasteworld Outcasts (Warhammer 30,000 - The Horus Heresy v32) (1961pts) +++

 

++ Age of Darkness (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List v180) (1496pts) ++

 

+ HQ (355pts) +

 

········Blackshield Reaver Lord (235pts) [Artificer Armour, Cyber-familiar, Halo Blade, Iron Halo, Rad Grenades, Space Marine Bike with Twin-linked Bolter]

············Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]

 

········Legion Centurion (120pts) [Combi-Weapon, Power Armour, Space Marine Bike with Twin-linked Bolter]

············Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]

············May be upgraded to one of these Consul roles: [Forge Lord]

 

+ Troops (666pts) +

 

········Blackshield Marauder Squad (223pts) [7x Astartes Shotgun, 9x Marauders, 2x Pariah Flamer]

············Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]

············Marauder Chief [Astartes Shotgun, Rad Grenades]

 

········Blackshield Marauder Squad (223pts) [7x Astartes Shotgun, 9x Marauders, 2x Pariah Flamer]

············Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]

············Marauder Chief [Astartes Shotgun, Rad Grenades]

 

········Legion Assault Squad (220pts) [9x Legion Assault Space Marines]

············Legion Assault Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Rad Grenades, Thunder Hammer]

············Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]

 

+ Fast Attack (475pts) +

 

········Legion Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron (150pts)

············Legion Javelin Attack Speeder [Multi-melta, Twin-linked Lascannon]

············Legion Javelin Attack Speeder [Multi-melta, Twin-linked Lascannon]

 

········Legion Land Speeder Squadron (195pts)

············Legion Land Speeder [Graviton Gun, Multi-melta]

············Legion Land Speeder [Graviton Gun, Multi-melta]

············Legion Land Speeder [Graviton Gun, Multi-melta]

 

········Legion Outrider Squad (130pts) [4x Legion Space Marine Outrider, Power Weapon]

············Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]

 

+ Legion +

 

········Legion Astartes [blackshields, Outlanders]

 

++ Allied Detachment (Imperialis Militia and Cults Army List v7) (465pts) ++

 

+ HQ (140pts) +

 

········Force Commander (140pts) [blast Pistol, Charnabal Sabre, Power Armour]

············The Muster of Worlds [Feral Warriors, Tainted Flesh]

 

+ Troops (190pts) +

 

········Inducted Levy Squad (95pts) [blade and Fury, Close Combat Weapons, Discipline Collars, Frag grenades, 19x Levy Auxiliaries, Vexilla]

 

········Inducted Levy Squad (95pts) [blade and Fury, Close Combat Weapons, Discipline Collars, Frag grenades, 19x Levy Auxiliaries, Vexilla]

 

+ Heavy Support (135pts) +

 

········Mutant Spawn (135pts) [5x Mutant Spawn]

 

Created with BattleScribe

 

Also, because I like playing around in Battlescribe, bonus 3000 point list!

 

+++ Wasteworld Outcasts (Warhammer 30,000 - The Horus Heresy v32) (2979pts) +++

++ Age of Darkness (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List v180) (2339pts) ++

+ HQ (485pts) +

········Blackshield Reaver Lord (235pts) [Artificer Armour, Cyber-familiar, Halo Blade, Iron Halo, Rad Grenades, Space Marine Bike with Twin-linked Bolter]
············Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]

········Legion Centurion (120pts) [Combi-Weapon, Power Armour, Space Marine Bike with Twin-linked Bolter]
············Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]
············May be upgraded to one of these Consul roles: [Forge Lord]

········Legion Centurion (130pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon]
············Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]
············May be upgraded to one of these Consul roles: [Primus Medicae]

+ Troops (666pts) +

········Blackshield Marauder Squad (223pts) [7x Astartes Shotgun, 9x Marauders, 2x Pariah Flamer]
············Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]
············Marauder Chief [Astartes Shotgun, Rad Grenades]

········Blackshield Marauder Squad (223pts) [7x Astartes Shotgun, 9x Marauders, 2x Pariah Flamer]
············Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]
············Marauder Chief [Astartes Shotgun, Rad Grenades]

········Legion Assault Squad (220pts) [9x Legion Assault Space Marines]
············Legion Assault Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Rad Grenades, Thunder Hammer]
············Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]

+ Elites (408pts) +

········Legion Terminator Squad (408pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, 3x Chainfist, 3x Combi-Weapon, 8x Legion Terminators, Plasma Blaster, 5x Power Fist]
············Legion Terminator Sergeant [Combi-Weapon, Power Fist, Rad Grenades]
············Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]

+ Fast Attack (475pts) +

········Legion Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron (150pts)
············Legion Javelin Attack Speeder [Multi-melta, Twin-linked Lascannon]
············Legion Javelin Attack Speeder [Multi-melta, Twin-linked Lascannon]

········Legion Land Speeder Squadron (195pts)
············Legion Land Speeder [Graviton Gun, Multi-melta]
············Legion Land Speeder [Graviton Gun, Multi-melta]
············Legion Land Speeder [Graviton Gun, Multi-melta]

········Legion Outrider Squad (130pts) [4x Legion Space Marine Outrider, Power Weapon]
············Legiones Astartes [Legion Specific Rules]

+ Heavy Support (305pts) +

········Legion Caestus Assault Ram (305pts) [Two wing-mounted Havoc Launchers]

+ Legion +

········Legion Astartes [blackshields, Outlanders]

++ Allied Detachment (Imperialis Militia and Cults Army List v7) (640pts) ++

+ HQ (140pts) +

········Force Commander (140pts) [blast Pistol, Charnabal Sabre, Power Armour]
············The Muster of Worlds [Feral Warriors, Tainted Flesh]

+ Elites (175pts) +

········Auxilia Ogryn Brute Squad (175pts) [3x Boarding Shield, Carapace Armour, 3x Ogryn Brutes]

+ Troops (190pts) +

········Inducted Levy Squad (95pts) [blade and Fury, Close Combat Weapons, Discipline Collars, Frag grenades, 19x Levy Auxiliaries, Vexilla]

········Inducted Levy Squad (95pts) [blade and Fury, Close Combat Weapons, Discipline Collars, Frag grenades, 19x Levy Auxiliaries, Vexilla]

+ Heavy Support (135pts) +

········Mutant Spawn (135pts) [5x Mutant Spawn]

Created with BattleScribe

 

 

Let me know your thoughts!

[daismith906]

hi all

 

really interested in starting a small blackshield force around 1500pts so looking for some c&c as really confused by the options

 

looking to do a droppod army with chymeriae trait 

 

so thinking

 

reaver lord with terminator armour

terminator squad as body guard in Kharybdis assault claw (shiould be about 8 terminators)

10 marauders, sgt has fist, 7 shotguns, meltagun and ariah flamer all with axes in dropod

10 marauders, sgt has fist, 7 shotguns, meltagun and ariah flamer all with axes in dropod

 

roughly should be 1500pts

 

what you think? workable or am i going in wrong direction

Edited January 4, 2017 by daismith906

[Charlo]

When you say drop pod, you mean dreadclaw yeah?

[daismith906]

Yeah dreafclaw

[Charlo]

Aye it works out!

 

I think you'd be best off with one squad with melta and the other flamers, so to focus your units, give the sarge a combi melta too if you can.

 

Combis on the Terminators are a must too.

 

If someone brings a spartan with Ceramite though I'm not sure what you can do - save chain fisting it and then be charged by the occupants, but thems the breaks - T5 should hold you out.

[Plaguecaster]

Got a 2000pt Chymeriae army all sorted out just needs assembling and was wondering on advice with how to play it

 

This is what I got

 

 

Hq

Forgelord 155

Boarding Shield, Melta Bombs, Cortex Controller, Cyber Familiar, Rad Grenades, Power axe

 

Elites

Apothecary dethachment 220pts

2 with power swords, jump packs and Augury Scanner

1 with power sword and augury Scanner

 

Contemptor cortus  Dreadnought 150pts

Multi-melta and meltagun

 

 

Contemptor cortus  Dreadnought 150pts

Multi-melta and meltagun

 

 

Troops

Blackshield Marauder Squad 272pts

11 mauraders, 2 meltaguns, chieftian with thunder hammer, bolters

 

10 Assault marines 210pts

2 hand flamers, champ with power fist

 

 

10 Assault marines 210pts

2 hand flamers, champ with power fist

 

Heavy Support

 

Deredero Dreadnought 255pts

Aiolos missile launcher, Hellfire Plasma cannonade

 

7 Heavy Support Marines 215pts

missile launchers

 

Castellax class Automata 165pts

paragon of metal, frag grenades, pariah flamer, dark fire cannon

 

would it be a good idea trying to find the points for a 4th apothecary  to go with the heavy marines? I may be able to find the points if i dropped the power swords on apothecary but having extra ap weapons does sound nice. I understand I lack viable long range ap2 anti tank since more relying on the close range of meltas and assault squads (STR10 powerfists) to deal with vehicles, however I could swap the darkfire cannon for a multi melta and instead take off the meltaguns on dreads for lascanoons instead if that would be better

[Sentinel Guy]

Does anyone use the deathseekers option?

 

I've been going over a lot of the legion fluff trying to find a legion that I really like and I've ended up with Iron Warriors and World Eaters. Unfortunately another guy at club uses WE so I don't want to copy him completely.  Now I know there were plenty of smaller units of marines that were left as garrison troops so I figured why not use that mixed in with the Blackshields rules?

 

Anyway I've come up with a theme based on the idea that during the Great Crusade a small company of War Hounds were left on world to finish crushing any opposition and as a garrison. As it's earlier in the Crusade their equipment is MKIII power armour, cataphractii armour and their limited tanks are Mars pattern.  When the call went out to unite the World Eaters the Red Banda (as the company was known) didn't travel to meet Angron and thus didn't repaint their armour or get the nails, instead they continued their duty as good Terrans and remained garrisoning the planet.  

 

After Istvaan a ship bearing loyalist Iron Warriors arrived bearing news of the betrayal which sparked a widespread panic as hot on the heels of the loyalists came a force of Word Bearers intent on silencing them before word could reach other loyal armies.

 

The Red Banda marshalled their marines and Imperial Army allies and aided the fleeing Iron Warriors, destroying the two traitor frigates in a desperate boarding action.  Seeing first hand how far the Word Bearers had fallen into madness, Rodrigo, Primus Pilus of the Red Banda, swore an oath to hunt down any other traitors they could find.  The remaining Iron Warriors under the command of an ancient deredeo dreadnought vowed to join them as brothers, choosing to repaint their armour as a mark of respect and honour.

 

 

So that's a rough outline of the fluff for the army. I plan to use MKIII, cataphractii and mars pattern stuff for the older War Hounds and then MKIV for the Iron Warriors who joined them.  I'm also using Tallarn infantry for militia.

 

 

At 2000 points the army looks like this - 

 

Death Seekers for the Blackshields and Warrior Elite provenance for the Militia.

 

HQ

1 Centurion with Early Crusade Honours.

 

1 Militia Force Commander with iron halo, melta bombs and charnabal sabre.

 

ELITES

5 Terminators, 2 chainfists, 2 power swords, 1 powerfist, plasma blaster. Mounted in a Land Raider Phobos with multi melta.

 

2 Quad Mortars with shatter shells.

 

TROOPS

9 Marauders, 1 pariah flamer, 7 shotguns, chain axes, chief has lightning claw. Mounted in a Rhino.

 

11 Marauders, 2 plasma guns, 8 bolters, chain axes, chief has bolter and powerfist.

 

20 Militia, lascarbines.

 

20 Militia, lascarbines.

 

HEAVY SUPPORT

6 Heavy Support Marines, missile launchers, sergeant has artificer armour, nuncio vox, bolt pistol, chainsword and augury scanner.

 

1 Deredeo with ailos missile launcher, heavy bolters and autocannons.

 

1 Leman Russ Demolisher, multi laser.

 

 

What do you think?

Edited February 1, 2017 by Sentinel Guy

[Charlo]

Ha! Pretty cool if you ask me - I like the fluff so it works out well too

[Sentinel Guy]

Thanks.  I could drop a marauder with plasma gun and try and squeeze in another Rhino for them.  Do you think that would be better? Maybe having some faster elements would be useful?

[Charlo]

Yeah for sure - really, you'd want the likes of Dreadclaws for them etc

 

Personally, when you have Militia on your side I'd drop the missile squad, shatter shells perform the same task already much better and this frees up points.

[Plaguecaster]

Does anyone use the deathseekers option?

 

I've been going over a lot of the legion fluff trying to find a legion that I really like and I've ended up with Iron Warriors and World Eaters. Unfortunately another guy at club uses WE so I don't want to copy him completely. Now I know there were plenty of smaller units of marines that were left as garrison troops so I figured why not use that mixed in with the Blackshields rules?

 

Anyway I've come up with a theme based on the idea that during the Great Crusade a small company of War Hounds were left on world to finish crushing any opposition and as a garrison. As it's earlier in the Crusade their equipment is MKIII power armour, cataphractii armour and their limited tanks are Mars pattern. When the call went out to unite the World Eaters the Red Banda (as the company was known) didn't travel to meet Angron and thus didn't repaint their armour or get the nails, instead they continued their duty as good Terrans and remained garrisoning the planet.

 

After Istvaan a ship bearing loyalist Iron Warriors arrived bearing news of the betrayal which sparked a widespread panic as hot on the heels of the loyalists came a force of Word Bearers intent on silencing them before word could reach other loyal armies.

 

The Red Banda marshalled their marines and Imperial Army allies and aided the fleeing Iron Warriors, destroying the two traitor frigates in a desperate boarding action. Seeing first hand how far the Word Bearers had fallen into madness, Rodrigo, Primus Pilus of the Red Banda, swore an oath to hunt down any other traitors they could find. The remaining Iron Warriors under the command of an ancient deredeo dreadnought vowed to join them as brothers, choosing to repaint their armour as a mark of respect and honour.

 

 

So that's a rough outline of the fluff for the army. I plan to use MKIII, cataphractii and mars pattern stuff for the older War Hounds and then MKIV for the Iron Warriors who joined them. I'm also using Tallarn infantry for militia.

 

 

At 2000 points the army looks like this -

 

Death Seekers for the Blackshields and Warrior Elite provenance for the Militia.

 

HQ

1 Centurion with Early Crusade Honours.

 

1 Militia Force Commander with iron halo, melta bombs and charnabal sabre.

 

ELITES

5 Terminators, 2 chainfists, 2 power swords, 1 powerfist, plasma blaster. Mounted in a Land Raider Phobos with multi melta.

 

2 Quad Mortars with shatter shells.

 

TROOPS

9 Marauders, 1 pariah flamer, 7 shotguns, chain axes, chief has lightning claw. Mounted in a Rhino.

 

11 Marauders, 2 plasma guns, 8 bolters, chain axes, chief has bolter and powerfist.

 

20 Militia, lascarbines.

 

20 Militia, lascarbines.

 

HEAVY SUPPORT

6 Heavy Support Marines, missile launchers, sergeant has artificer armour, nuncio vox, bolt pistol, chainsword and augury scanner.

 

1 Deredeo with ailos missile launcher, heavy bolters and autocannons.

 

1 Leman Russ Demolisher, multi laser.

 

 

What do you think?

Cool list though since it is a army of dark compliance you can't have more Astartes units than militia units

[Sentinel Guy]

Ah sorry, that's my fault for not breaking the list up. It's not a dark comp army, there's an allied detachment of militia.

[Brother Aiwass]

Not sure on the WoW, but here's a draft:

 

Vigilator

 

10 sniper veterans, 2 pariah flamers

Mortis contemptor, 2 kheres

Mortis box, 2 TLAC

Mortis box, 2 TLML

 

5 Marauders, MM, Rhino+MM

5 Marauders, MM, Rhino+MM

5 Support, 5 pariah flamers

5 Support, 5 pariah flamers

 

5 Seekers

Primaris, 4 kraken, augur

 

Leviathan dread, deathblossom

 

2000 flat. Good?

[Gorgoff]

Not sure. It seems really easy to beat that army when I think of my Iron Warriors.

[Lord Asvaldir]

Small 5 man squads just really doesn't work in 30k, they just get wiped off the table too quickly. Plus it's also more expensive to have two squads of 5 then one of 10, so I'd condense your infantry units.

 

Leviathan footslogging is also fairly mediocer, I might consider a long ranged heavy support option like a deredeo which is just flat out better than the mortis contemptors.

[Brother Aiwass]

But I happen to have a Leviathan and 2 plastic contemptors (also 2 space crusade dreads) but not any Deredeo, and since BS cannot take pods, it needs to be on foot: I'm not going to buy a Kharybdis pod (whatever is called).

[Harvest545]

The marauder squads need 6 models to take special/heavy weapons because the chief doesn't count as per the unit entry right?

[leth]

I was looking at it and thinking about taking large maurauder squads with apothecaries as the basis for my army.  I then want to support them with dreads and other related vehicles(got my leviathan, deredeo, etc) so I plan on having the techmarine consul type as my one consul. This also gives me access to some mechanicus robots which would be extra awesome. I dont want to just be Iron Hands light however, more like the leader of my warband had his troops "Modified"

 

So I am torn on choosing between the chymeria and the Outlanders for the army rules. On one hand it would be fun to have teleporting rad marines. I also like to think of the outlander thing as them "phasing out" like the old necron special rule so they both work for my army theme.  On the other hand durability while being slightly slow would also work,

 

One of the biggest hurdles I am running into is how I should equip my mauraders squads since I want to get to building.  Chain axes are a no brainer but when it comes to things like bolters is it worth the points or just not bother? Should I go 15 or 20? Transports? Etc. Having two attacks base makes the pariah bolter very appealing since they will be getting three attacks each even when they shoot so its like getting two extra str 4 ap 5 attacks for two points every turn.

 

I am also considering small recon squads with pariah bolters as a solid scoring back up/ light supporting fire. Give them recon armor for the infiltrate and just stick them in cover out of LOS

Edited March 11, 2017 by leth

[Gorgoff]

The marauder squads need 6 models to take special/heavy weapons because the chief doesn't count as per the unit entry right?

I think so, yes.