Black Shields - Loyality unknown (ideas collection)

[Atia]

So the loyalist Crysis Mortug saves the Night Lords Traitors from the independent Raven Guard? Huh.

after the Heresy, so Scouring. It's implied the Ashen Claws seize control over the Nostramo sector as far as I read it now (my book just arrived ^.^)

[Atia]

Crysos Morturg

survives the heresy and later leads the 108th independend company against the Ashen Claws who claimed the Nostramo sector

Weeellllll... not really. He doesn't lead anything against the Ashen Claws or encounter them at all. He intercepts an astropathic relay fragment that hints at their activity. Date 063.M31 so we know he makes it ~50 years past the end of the Heresy though! So that's cool.

Also, the Ashen Claws never actually claim the Nostramo sector they just raided it during the Heresy a bit.

yeah as i said, i just got the book and looked through it and saw the adendum ^.^

what i got though is that they declare the whole sector "forbidden zone" and imply that the Ashen Claws, Xenos raiders or other things may still be there ;) :P

[Brother Aiwass]

Sooo, Atia, is Crysos Morturg and available SC in the HH VI?

[Kelborn]

Well well well.

Interesting how FW introduced the Blackshields step by step. :D

 

Hopefully I will be able to start a separate, brainstorm thread concerning my Blackshield-fluff-project.

 

For those of you, who are interested, I'll post the link here as well. :)

 

Got some ideas I'll like to share with you, tomorrow.

 

Just a short sneak peak:

Kaedes Nex, Word Bearers, captured loyalists of both traitor and loyal legions, they'll start their own crusade against everyone else as they decide to not trust anyone else besides themselves

 

What they don't know, one of them secretly influences them, but for whom? The Imperium? Horus? Or another master?

 

MAYBE I'll even got time to pick up a pen and draw some characters, etc. Let's see.

 

See ya. :)

[1ncarnadine]

yeah as i said, i just got the book and looked through it and saw the adendum ^.^

what i got though is that they declare the whole sector "forbidden zone" and imply that the Ashen Claws, Xenos raiders or other things may still be there

Yep! Nostramo is/was riiiight next to the Ghoul Stars in 30k. Heck, by 40k what was formerly the Nostramo Sector is probably just considered part of the Ghoul Stars.

I like that there might be this pocket Imperium no one knows about that still exists there. Or who knows, maybe Necron flayed-ones killed them all by the 41st millenium and no one heard about it :P

Or even sillier: the Imperium encountered the mini-Ashen Claw Imperium thousands of years later and wiped them out, and then forgot about that too.

Sooo, Atia, is Crysos Morturg and available SC in the HH VI?

No. The only Black Shield characters in the book are Endryd Haar and The Nemean Reaver... but I wouldn't be surprised to see more of Morturg in the future.

[Kol Saresk]

 

 

So the loyalist Crysis Mortug saves the Night Lords Traitors from the independent Raven Guard? Huh.

after the Heresy, so Scouring. It's implied the Ashen Claws seize control over the Nostramo sector as far as I read it now (my book just arrived ^.^)

Too late. It's head canon now.

[Brother Aiwass]

Thank you. I really hope he does sooner rather than later. It's a cool chap. 

[Lord-Commander Macarian]

I am thinking of starting a small force of Orphans of War. An elite battegroup of Iron Warrior veterans led by a Legion Delegatus. Initially the Legion Delegatus is entirely devoted to his genetic father and shares his bitterness towards the Emperor. He firmly believes that the actions of the Iron Warriors Legion are for for the betterment of Mankind. The Massacre of Olympia sents him into a deep crisis of faith as his conscience haunts him. His loyalty compels him to continue obeying orders and his battlegroup is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of loyalists during the Dropsite Massacres. This however tips him over the edge, he cannot reconcile himself with the slaughter and betrayal. He comes to believe that both the Emperor, his Primarch and Horus are only interested in their own ambitions. In the chaos of battle he and his men commandeer an Iron Warriors Battle Barge and flee the system. Dedicating themselves to preserving mankind from the predations of either side of the conflict, they fight against both Loyalists and Traitors. 

[Brother Aiwass]

I love your idea Macarian, and I'm myself into something alike. However, the taking of a Delegatus can do very little to a Blackshield force. Since we are not allowed to take a Rite of War (which the Delegatus does), we can't also take Command Squads and we are limited to only one Consul per army. I wonder if the Delegatus trumps the Legiones Astartes Blackshields rules or not in that regard. While the concept is inspiring, I'm afraid that this would mean no veteran as troops, no other consul and no command squad.

If someone has already the book and can bring some light on this would be very appreciated.

[Lord-Commander Macarian]

Thanks ! In my army lists I would use a Reaver Lord to represent him, I just want to add some story as to why he feels so betrayed. I want there to be a tangible link between my Reaver Lord and Perturabo that goes further than that between Legionnaire and Primarch. As Legion Delegatus he received his orders directly from Perturabo and was privy to some of his dreams about humanity and the Iron Warrior Legion. They had private conversations at times and there was a real bond between them. It's not just that he feels the slaughter is too much, he's an Iron Warrior, he's commanded the death of species and civilizations without blinking. But to see the Legion used as genocidal and dishonourable butchers by the man he believed in so completely breaks him.

 

He would take his Battlegroup of Veterans with him and these form the core of his forces. As the Heresy progesses they find themselves meeting more ragtag bands of Astartes survivors who no longer care for the outcome of the War and merely look for a chance to fight again. Perhaps these are stranded squads after the invasion fleets have moved on, crazed last survivors thought dead or defeated enemies who surrender to them. These are banded together into the Marauder Squads, not true Legionnaires anymore in the eyes of the Iron Warriors but useful nonetheless.

 

They even meet an eccentric former Emperor's Children Apothecary with a oddly specific hatred for Fabius Bile. No one really knows why and he isn't really talkative. Still, he brought a retinue of incredibly effective Super-Astartes so he gets accepted into their ranks begrudgingly.

[Brofist]

Dig your fluff Macarian! It reminds me of what I decided to do with my own renegade IWs:

 

From some, failure was being born pragmatic enough to mistake service in the IV for a good idea. Those who held opinions, gave leeway, questioned process, or held poor political temperament failed further- an affliction most avoided, but others cured through relegation, summary punishment, or assignment to the legion's many forlorn hopes. A small few failed again, refusing to die despite whatever desperate situation they found themselves in. These were considered good enough for the 13th Grand Company. A company so lucky and so dangerous, that it was only trusted with shovels.

 

I'm using a chaplain instead of a Delegatus. I figure it takes a person of particular charisma in order to make a bunch of legionaries feel that their only true loyalty is to each other.

[Nakuth]

Dig your fluff Macarian! It reminds me of what I decided to do with my own renegade IWs:

 

From some, failure was being born pragmatic enough to mistake service in the IV for a good idea. Those who held opinions, gave leeway, questioned process, or held poor political temperament failed further- an affliction most avoided, but others cured through relegation, summary punishment, or assignment to the legion's many forlorn hopes. A small few failed again, refusing to die despite whatever desperate situation they found themselves in. These were considered good enough for the 13th Grand Company. A company so lucky and so dangerous, that it was only trusted with shovels.

 

This line is gold!

 

Been busy moving, so not much work on the fluff of my Gojir yet. However, I do have the name of their flagship/battlebarge: Forlorn Hope

 

Additional army idea/suggestion: Loyal/renegade (from their house) House Aethergen Knights reaver force with Black Shield allies.

[HaSY]

Does this Dark Brotherhood Battle Brother reminds you of something?

[Kelborn]

Hey guys,

 

I started my thread including my blackshield and II legion project. :)

 

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319493-tales-of-domeria-wip/

 

Hope some of you might enjoy it. See ya.

[helterskelter]

Test model for slight truscaling and Xenos Deathlock using kroot rifle

 

http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz184/Lamenterkyle/Mobile%20Uploads/20160221_191120_zpsnevj8rzp.jpg

And paint for good measure

http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz184/Lamenterkyle/Mobile%20Uploads/20160221_220351_zpsf259ksek.jpg

[Brother Aiwass]

Been thinking in the fluff of my planned blackshields. I would need some advice though. It's been hard to decide which legion they started, finally I decided -oh, the heresy- that they would be some Space Wolves that gone rogue.

I chosen the wolves because they're fierce warriors (and vikings in space, and one thing the vikings did is raid the world). But what reason could have a SW to become rogue? What are the motivations? My line of thought  was that the logic of a force who became blackshields do so following a path, that is not a thing that occur whithin one day. Thus, my thinking lead me to legion->shattered legion->blackshields: orphans of war->blackshields: outlanders (that is, for my chosen option, not for all the shields or paths, ofc).

From that point, what are again their motivations? I don't know much about the SW in the heresy era (and what I know about them in the 40k setting, I dislike it very much, specially the wolf-mac wolf frosclaw barf fang thing) but I have some surface knowledge about Prospero.

Before the HH book 6 was leaked, I had in mind returning to the hobby with a Red Corsairs force that was gone rogue, against Huron and the whole galaxy. Mainly because I wanted a space pirate force, the opportunity to paint any space marine chapter that I liked (or disliked) in the same force and then, red-cross slash their chapter symbols. My force would have lead by a former Night Lord sentenced to death by his captain (and being red-handed) who escaped and  joined Huron in the past. Somehow, Huron pissed him a lot by sending him to suicide missions and he, during a battle, managed to take control of the spaceship who he had in charge, killed the opposition and he and his men fleed the battle, not before destroying by surprise a cruiser of the Red Corsairs force. He was to be known by the alias of the Red Hand, and the space pirates were to be known as the Red Brotherhood. Their badge, a bloody red hand.

Then a wild HH book 6 appeared. And the Nemean Reaver and his Dark Brotherhood. Great. Now I'm in love with blackshields, who give me great rules and background to field space pirates, but I don't feel right about the preivious fluff, nor the name I have chosen for them or the badge (damn you, beloved night lords). Nice. Back to thinking again, grinding my head, and back to the wolves.

 

I thought that a good reason of why a fierce, loyal SW turned against the Imperium and his brothers would be Prospero. That SW, of no name yet (but I'm leaning to call him Black Zarono, as a little homage to REH), was a Delegatus at the time of Prospero, a man (if we can call that to a space marine) of a serious character, who truly believed in what he was doing. A man of severe thoughts, who finded himself in the carnage at Prospero, killing fellow astartes for a reason he can not comprehend.

At this point I don't know if would be right the introduction of a badly wounded Thousand Sons member of the Corvidae, severely wounded taken prisioner by Zarono and his company. In this postulation, he is able to interrogate and mantain some conversations with Thothmekri (the sorcerer) who lead him further in his dark thoughts about what was right, and the grim chess game they all participated as a pawns of others with no honor or consideration. Thothmekri would've been founded next day executed without his consent, by Einskaldir, a lieutenat of him, a fanatic wolf loyal to Russ and the Emperor who infuriated by the presence of a such traitor like Thothmekri in the ship, decided to take his life (and his skull). Zarono found this, and full of wrath, killed Einskaldir in front of his men. In a very dark mood now, locked himself in his chamber to medidate about was happened. Some wolves were very found on Einskaldir and very pissed off, others sided with Zarono. A very tense situation was occuring in the ship when Zarono speaked to the marines. He told them that was his right to kill Einskaldir because he killed an asset, a prisioner, in a dishonourable way and his actions tainted the honor of all of them, and if anyone disagreed, was free to come back to the surface of Prospero to kill fellow astartes if this was what they liked. In a couple of hours, two thirds of his men abandoned him, making planetfall with drop-pods and thunderhawks.

Zarono leaved Prospero with his loyals to never look behind. That was not all, however. Because those who abandoned him speaked against him to his fellows. And he was branded as a traitor, a renegade, which will be forever hunted by the wolves.

Some time after this events (in case I finally include them), the Iron Snake (the strike cruiser Zarono stole from the woves) recieves a distress call from a planet. Some Raven Guard were sufferings against the Orks. Thay came in to help his fellows, after a crude battle, the RG survivors were taken aboard the Iron Snake and left the planet. (That is bit about shattered legions). At some point, they were founded and attacked by a small fleet of the space wolves and could barely escape. After that, they take an oath, renouncing forever to their colors and name. The scant RGs, overwhelmed by what happened, joined Zarono. They were now free fighters who had been betrayed by their fellows and the Imperium (Orphans of War). They were no more aligned with anyone. They were no more Space Wolves. They were the Devil Dogs (1).

 

With few to non resources, they start to prey any imperial world they can reach safely, and salvaging anything they can, being that xenos, human, renegade, loyal or traitor alike. Answering calls from time ti time, to help for a price, recruiting between raids. (Outlanders).

 

They would have very light equipment. No terminators left. Some scavenged walkers from distant worlds (count as dreads). Not sure if allow them to take one or two Landraiders?

NOTE: (1) I decided that name yesterday night. This morning I googled it. A nickname for the US Marines. Great. Not sure if would be ok to take it or change it to something like The Free Companies.

 

So this is it. Ideas, criticism and advice needed and welcomed. Feel free to tear me apart.

 

Cheers!

[Xin Ceithan]

I

Have

The

Book

 

Now

 

I just need to learn to read and paint at the same time!

[Kol Saresk]

I

Have

The

Book

 

Now

 

I just need to learn to read and paint at the same time!

You do not already have this power?

 

My child, truly you have lost your way. As penance, you must practice the art of multitasking until this skill has been mastered.

 

Now go forth my child, and seek your absolution. In the name of the Changer, the Warmonger and the Grandfather, may the Blessed Warp shine upon your endeavors.

[Olis]

Thank you. I really hope he does sooner rather than later. It's a cool chap. 

 

Not just a cool chap. The cool chap. More of him please FW! :D

[Xin Ceithan]

 

I

Have

The

Book

 

Now

 

I just need to learn to read and paint at the same time!

You do not already have this power?

 

My child, truly you have lost your way. As penance, you must practice the art of multitasking until this skill has been mastered.

 

Now go forth my child, and seek your absolution. In the name of the Changer, the Warmonger and the Grandfather, may the Blessed Warp shine upon your endeavors.

The Gifts of the Eightfold Path are fickle, but I will rise to this challenge!

 

I see my failing and will strife to correct it.

[Praetor of Calth]

 

 

 

Crysos Morturg

survives the heresy and later leads the 108th independend company against the Ashen Claws who claimed the Nostramo sector ;)

 

 

 

Weeellllll... not really. He doesn't lead anything against the Ashen Claws or encounter them at all. He intercepts an astropathic relay fragment that hints at their activity. Date 063.M31 so we know he makes it ~50 years past the end of the Heresy though! So that's cool.

 

Also, the Ashen Claws never actually claim the Nostramo sector :P they just raided it during the Heresy a bit.

 

yeah as i said, i just got the book and looked through it and saw the adendum ^.^

 

what i got though is that they declare the whole sector "forbidden zone" and imply that the Ashen Claws, Xenos raiders or other things may still be there ;) :P

Wait what? Murtorg pops up again? Atia would you be willing to share any you can about his fate/story please? Laurie Golding on the 1st expedition has posted numerous times that he died on Istvaan III. Which is contradicted by not 1, but 2, black books now.

 

I just don't see how a character that died on Istvaan, can possibly give a testimony at a trial or lead a crusade into pirate held deep space. Unless we're counting getting turned into a Dreadnought/Thallax as "dead" now.

[Slips]

Just got My copy of book 6.

 

Of interesting note is the Marine on Page 86 who is part of the "Dark Brotherhood" which, in 40k, is a Codex Chapter ~_~

[Daedrolol]

Hi ... 

 

I sat there and wondered how it would be possible to make good use of the "Legion" and came up with is this: take a rule "outlanders" with an easy spam groups of tactical supports with meltaguns against Imperial Knight and mech-rosters...
or versus mechanicus tss with plasmaguns

[Machine God]

Rogue Trader is like the bizarre concept art before 40k really became 40k.

Yeah they can come from Black Birmingham!

[Scribe]

Got my hands on the book and I am floored. Just great stuff I'm working on 'Not iron warriors' now.

 

EDIT:

 

A quick sanity check as Battlescribe isnt updated and I am now completely dependent upon it!

 

This a valid list?

 

Reaver Lord

Master of Signal

 

Elite

Contemptor

Vets

Vets

 

Troops

Marauders (19)

Marauders (10) Rhino

Recon Squad

 

Heavy

Spartan

Basilisk, Basilisk

Leviathan