Reclusiarch Darius Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Paladins are kinda their own special club within the Chapter. Its where all the glory hounds go hang out and brag about how awesome they are too eachother. Normally, they are used to bodyguard a Grand Master, but they also deploy for any number of other reasons. They probably joined Stern because he couldn't take many men on the mission (it was b8 after all, probably was read as a minor warp incursion by the Prognosticars), so he needed a compact force of the Chapter's best. And yeah, even in the story, they get rekt. At least GW is somewhat cognizant of how bad they are on tabletop. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319074-warzone-fenris/page/3/#findComment-4308011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skarn Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 I think it's even more likely that the author of the book doesn't really know the background of the gk that well and just picked the oldest gk spec character to lead them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319074-warzone-fenris/page/3/#findComment-4308159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Yeah maybe. Wouldn't be the first time Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319074-warzone-fenris/page/3/#findComment-4308177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kolvin Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 We might get a bit of love in the second part of the campaign. You really never know. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319074-warzone-fenris/page/3/#findComment-4308344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Hoping so. Major daemonic incursion in a First Founding system should demand at least a Brotherhood. Pandorax drew almost our entire Chapter into the conflict. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319074-warzone-fenris/page/3/#findComment-4309192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skarn Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I reckon we will see gk vs csm with csm getting a new book and both of us getting a decurion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319074-warzone-fenris/page/3/#findComment-4309281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 My understanding is CSM is at least a year out. As far as GK, if they don't get even a sniff of a formation now, I'm thinking it's not happening until perhaps CSM gets a touch in 2017. Otherwise I can't honestly see why GK wouldn't get any love in this sort of campaign... I mean, it's what they do! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319074-warzone-fenris/page/3/#findComment-4309407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Pandorax drew almost our entire Chapter into the conflict. Thought there was only a Brotherhood available for deployment to Pandorax. That's why Draigo had to go get the DAs for help. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319074-warzone-fenris/page/3/#findComment-4309622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fang_Guard23 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Don't forget that only even though the Grey Knights are helping on the Wolf Moon there are still only 5 SW great companies in the Fenris System trying to fight off the daemon incursion, while the other 7 are either finding the rest of the 13th or are already on their way back to help. The Grey knights came to an understanding with the wolves after the First Armageddon War so just might try to help. The Fenris system has endured a lot Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319074-warzone-fenris/page/3/#findComment-4309639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 If I were in charge, I'd be taking this opportunity to let the Wolves find out exactly why being such loners, why being such anti-authoritarian dickwads, why actively going to war against the Inquisition and the Grey Knights, why all that might not be such a great idea in the long run. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319074-warzone-fenris/page/3/#findComment-4309923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thraxdown Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Not to mention all the worlds they put in risk of chaos taint by helping those guardsmen escape. Space wolves deserve to get knocked down a peg or two. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319074-warzone-fenris/page/3/#findComment-4309929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fang_Guard23 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 I think the wulfen are going to have a new trick up their sleeve Strike force Daggerfist has a rule that forces you not to target the wulfen, as long as they don't lead in the front they are protected by the wolf guard and wolf guard terminators, so your going to have to deal with that for a while Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319074-warzone-fenris/page/3/#findComment-4310108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 HAHAHAHAHA. "Wulfen are too fragile, they'll never make it into CC even with a move - run - charge with reroll combo" /sigh Oh well, hopefully this formation is ridiculously hard to fill and will never see the light of day. Otherwise.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319074-warzone-fenris/page/3/#findComment-4310143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 If I were in charge, I'd be taking this opportunity to let the Wolves find out exactly why being such loners, why being such anti-authoritarian dickwads, why actively going to war against the Inquisition and the Grey Knights, why all that might not be such a great idea in the long run. I'd also argue the other route. Because the space wolves are anti authoritarian, and anti religous zealots. It actually helps reign in the greyknights and inquisition from going power hungry. Space wolves are only anti grey knights due to the issues surrounding armageddon. I have a feeling the chapters will have a new found respect and reliance on each other going forward. Greyknights using spacewolves as allies to fight on deamon infested worlds due to the nature of when wolves are exposed to extreme warp energies they turn into wulfen instead of warp spawn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319074-warzone-fenris/page/3/#findComment-4310194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Space wolves are only anti grey knights due to the issues surrounding armageddon In which the Space wolves damned billions to save millions. Not pragmatic and they made the situation worse, due to their sense of honour/morals. It actually helps reign in the greyknights You don't reign in the Grey Knights. They are the only Chapter that has never fallen to corruption/chaos. And they are tasked with doing what *must* be done, to save the Imperium from the Arch Enemy. Why on earth would anyone want to reign that in? Greyknights using spacewolves as allies to fight on deamon infested worlds due to the nature of when wolves are exposed to extreme warp energies they turn into wulfen instead of warp spawn. Mutation is still mutation. That's cause there to wipe out the entire chapter. Heck if the relictors got excommunicated for less, the SW should be gone already. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319074-warzone-fenris/page/3/#findComment-4310246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Psycannons and incinerators punk their armor forcing them to have guardsman/daemon saves. They have CSM Possessed points cost, before upgrades (which are surprisingly reasonable), 6 meltabombs for a guy, 30 for a squad of five furries. And before they can get to yiffing, they need to cross the gap. Gonna be a shame when they're eating all those stormbolter, psychic power, psycannon and incinerator shots. My friend who plays space wolves is super excited about them...frankly I'm not all that impressed, because against my Tau, he'll never get into combat, and against my Greyknights he's gonna be eating a Super SUPRIIIIIIIIIISE out of the psylencer shots, and my Vindicare and cuelexus will do the good work they always do. Yeah. I play against Space Wolves regularly, and I've never been overly worried about Thunderwolf Cavalry. They're good, but not something GK don't have an answer too. Wulfen are worse than TWC, so I'm even less worried about them. Shoot them while keeping away with PT/Shunt/Gate, assault them when they're overstretched trying to catch you and/or you've thinned them down a bit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319074-warzone-fenris/page/3/#findComment-4310528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Can't shoot them in Strikeforce Daggerfist though. Edit: That sounds like an uber Veil of Tears. And that :cuss sucked hardcore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319074-warzone-fenris/page/3/#findComment-4310557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 I forgot about veil of tears. Uhg I think people are drawing too many references from emperors gift. Don't get me wrong. I still consider it the only really interesting novel we have to date. But I think the So called reigning in thing pertains largely to the Inquisition specifically and not Grey Knights. To go a it further on this I personally have been repulsed by some of the inquisition's use of GK. And they just put their collective heads down and do it. At the end of the day Wolves are far too valuable to the continued existence of the Imperium for them to come under any real long term internal threat. Grey Knights? Well I would say they are far too valuable protecting Mankind as a species, as we know, using very unique tools and soldiers. But we don't know if that will be seen in the campaign. It would be criminal to not include them with some strong presence in the next part of the campaign. We'll see. As far as the GK / SW relationship? I see the two as invaluable to the future of the imperium, warts and all. I'm sure we'll end up Bro' fisting by the end of this one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319074-warzone-fenris/page/3/#findComment-4310681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Well what would you say to the authoritarian security and investigation shadow organization with broad spectrum powers and authorization to destroy planets? And the Grey Knights were enforcing the right thing. Its horrible, and sucks that mortal defenders and survivors can't be allowed to live after a massive daemonic contamination, because they are alien to the very fabric of the material universe and spawn of emotional runoff, and you can't risk some PTSD guardsmen starting a khorne cult, or allowing a warp rift to form from a latent psykers mind when they are having nightmares of the monsters howling in the dark. Its evil, diry and foul work, but it's necessary work to keep the Imperium going as a whole. Having read about how the guard were treated at Armageddon, it doesn't give me much hope for a happy end to Gaunts Ghosts who have so far engaged mortal chaos armies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319074-warzone-fenris/page/3/#findComment-4310716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 a little off topic, but this is my last comment on the tensions between wolves and the knights The wolves big issue with armageddon wasn't the killing/sterilization of the guardsmen. It stems from what the crazed inquistior did. Logan structure the planetary defenses to protect the population centers from all knowledge of what they were fighting. THey were designed to be a meat grinder for the planetary defense forces, to do two things. High casualty rate for the gaurdsmen which means less clean up work for the inquisition, and hiding from the general citizen who they were fighting. The cities and citizens knew they were under siege by xenos, not that they were underseige by CHaos and deamons. They never came into contact with them. When the inquisitor showed up he started mass prison/extermination transports under vaccination claims of the populace of the cities to either kill them or sterilize and send to deathwords/work camps. This infuriated logan as it undermined everything he worked towards (protecting the general population). By the time the wolves realized what was happening most of the population had been quelled, so they tried to escort a few ships out, which were promptly destroyed by the inquisition. WOlves got pissed and did the wrong thing now to spite them. THey started escorting mass amounts of pdf and guards ships out. Some got out of the system and fled to random corners. Inquistion fired at the wolves, killed a ship messed em up. From then on the wolves took off the gloves, but never fired first. What the inquistion and grey knights did is unthinkable when dealing with allies. Take an inquisition fleet to a neutral system, under pretense of peace talks between the factions. and as soon as logan and his escort arrives, the inquistion blast the out of the wolves. killed 4 escort vessel and all hands. crippled the wolves flag ship in the volley as well. Then they say come aboard to negotiate the terms of your surrender. LOGAN was PISSED, he said "sure" teleported to the flagship of the inquisition fleet, demanded to know who ordered the attack on space wolves fleet in a neutral sector violating tons of ancient laws. The grey knight leader claimed responibility. Logan promptly cut off his hand in a blindingly fast swing. Then his wolf guard proceeded to murder the grey knights and astropaths blocking there teleport out. What followed was the months of shame. Grey knights hated what they did, and hated the inquistior for it. WHILE all this was happening there were tons of other inquisitors that were in agreement with logan, stating that the quelling of the entire population was ridiculous and unneccesary due to the actions the wolves did. and they had no idea why this inquistor was so vehement, and questioned who he answered to. as he had no retinue. this inquisitor then attacked fenris, greyknights by this time were like ya, this dude, and stopped responding to his orders. it ended when logan boarded the inquisitors flagship killed him and went on a rampage only to be stopped by BJORN the fell handed who stepped in and chilled everyone out. both grey knights and wolves fight for the same end goal, but with different means. and is it really a mutation if that mutation was purposefully put in by the emperor himself? all in all, I'm curious to see how this story plays out. I'd love for this to end with the wolves and greyknights becoming aware of the dark angels fallen Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319074-warzone-fenris/page/3/#findComment-4310796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 What Jorros did (blindly following the Inquisitions decision) might have been wrong, and led to thousands of deaths. But would ultimately have contained the threat. Ended the Arch Enemies plans there. What Logan did to spite the Inquisition was short sighted and petulant. Releasing those Guard to many corners of the universe spread the corruption. Billions are now in danger, and the Arch enemy threat is now longer contained and ended, but allowed to fester and grow uncontrolled and unchecked. Logan has put the *entire* Imperium of Mankind in jeopardy through his petulance. That's not something that can be hand waved away or bro fisted. Especially as thr Wolves are supposed to be part of the protectors of the Imperium. Not just Fenris and it's system. Probably will be, knowing GW though. Jorros was portrayed as a douche, to make Logan look better, because we all knew how it had to play out, regardless of making sense. It was just another "Didn't go to battle with a Helmet, because you need to die". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319074-warzone-fenris/page/3/#findComment-4310832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 The SW and GK have come into conflict once in 10,000 years. It's probably overselling the situation to conclude that they're at odds with each other from now on. Heck the U.S. has gone to war with some of our staunchest allies, and not that long ago. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319074-warzone-fenris/page/3/#findComment-4311266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 Can't shoot them in Strikeforce Daggerfist though. Edit: That sounds like an uber Veil of Tears. And that :cuss sucked hardcore. It's a mostly junk formation; I doubt you'll ever see it used. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319074-warzone-fenris/page/3/#findComment-4311271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 While I understand we are establishing a history between GK and Wolves. And then using some of that background to surmise an outcome here, I have to ask that we back off of pure Wolves bashing. We have other frater on the board with different perspectives we have to respect. Please keep it friendly and fair. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319074-warzone-fenris/page/3/#findComment-4311273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Can't shoot them in Strikeforce Daggerfist though. Edit: That sounds like an uber Veil of Tears. And that sucked hardcore. It's a mostly junk formation; I doubt you'll ever see it used. Yeah, it's pretty terrible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/319074-warzone-fenris/page/3/#findComment-4311791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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