Seahawk Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 I was thinking about my IG and how to use the Cadian detachment, since my mens are all Cadians. Obviously using the entire the detachment is a huge investment, so I came to this idea: Only use Commands. This could be representative of a veteran force, equipped with whatever weapons it got its hands on, split down into 5-man squads, or an urban attack force, and so on. The options one gets from this are immense! Each squad can be grenadiers with carapace armor, or scouts with camo cloaks, or mechanized with a transport for everyone, and 80% of all infantry models can have a special weapon, that's bananas! On top of that, orders for every single squad. Plus one heavy weapon for every 5 veterans, and advisors. As well, having only tank commanders for your LR's means half are BS4 and all get orders. Could this actually work though? I think so, and in fact I'll give it a try this week at club night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 That's something I'd never have thought of... even the commander isn't really much of a tax and can be useful giving orders to his squad! Sort of like the ultimate MSU? Commander needs to buy carapace separately at a premium unfortunately. Obviously they'd fold to almost any attention but you'd have plenty more to go around, perhaps 2 or 3 specials depending on type would be a good number lest you pour too many points in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 I think its a good idea People have certainly mentioned it before but I like your fluff behind it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greycat Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Wow cool idea, I know what Im trying next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mertbl Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Interesting thoughts, each squad would be able to issue their own orders. Majority armor save of the squad, couldn't you take all the wounds on a 4+ without buying it for him. That's something I'd never have thought of... even the commander isn't really much of a tax and can be useful giving orders to his squad! Sort of like the ultimate MSU? Commander needs to buy carapace separately at a premium unfortunately. Obviously they'd fold to almost any attention but you'd have plenty more to go around, perhaps 2 or 3 specials depending on type would be a good number lest you pour too many points in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 He'd likely be loitering at the back of the squad too, though in such a set up for once he might be the more expendable member..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mertbl Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 He wouldn't be the warlord, he would just be the ablative wound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 I've considered the ramifications of the CBG only requiring one command to be a viable detachment. I'd never thought it would be a good idea, until you mentioned using them as elite squads. That could give you a hideous amount of firepower, if you mount them up in Chimeras with a master of ordnance. You could just spam templates at them until everything dies. That's pretty nasty, though CCS's get expensive when you do things like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukash_ Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Heh, I had a similar thought, although mine was the "Forward Observer List:" A CCS with camo cloaks, a Master of Ordnance, and 15 points of weapon upgrades on average (spread across lascannons, flamers, and plasma most likely) is 113 points. In a 1500 point list, you could fit 13 of these, giving themselves orders on 3d6 and having 31 additional points for random other upgrades. How does 13 S9 AP3 Ordnance pieplates, buffed with Ignores Cover, Pinning, or Tank Hunter sound? Not viable, but funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share Posted February 16, 2016 Hmm, yep only one commander is important as the warlord, and since each one can issue three orders at 24", if a few go down no big deal. Fluff wise if you equip one squad with a few specials and one with a heavy, that's your "10 man squad". I remember in cityfight when you could "combat squad" your infantry squads, and this is basically the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 I just want to call for a moment of silence in honor of the idea of fielding thirteen masters of ordinance. Good times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nismogrendel Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Awesome thread, I had not thought of this. I like the idea of a bunch of Chimeras scooting around filled with 4x special weapon vets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerClose Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 This idea is pure gold. I might actually try to field this in my next tournament. Using vox-guys for MoO, this is doable. *Disclaimer: This is a filthy, no-good, fluff-smashing tournament list... but also just the fun and craziness i've missed making serious lists. You will need: 2 Drop-podding Melta CCS 2 Chimera CCS (Plasma/Melta) 3 Taurox CCS (Melta) 5 Ruin-hiding CSS 1 Drop-podding Culexus 10 3d6-scattering Orbital Bombardments... a turn... = Profit +++ Battlegroup Crazyness (1849pts) +++ ++ Astra Militarum: Codex (2014) (AM Cadian Battle Group) +++ Command +Battle Group Command *Goes in Drop Pod*Company Command Squad [Carapace Armour, 4x Veteran w/ Meltagun]Battle Group Command *Goes in Drop Pod*Company Command Squad [Carapace Armour, 4x Veteran w/ Meltagun]Battle Group Command *WARLORD*Company Command Squad [Carapace Armour, 2x Veteran w/ Lasgun, 2x Veteran w/ Plasma Gun]Chimera [Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter, Heavy Bolter]Master of OrdnanceBattle Group CommandCompany Command Squad [Flak Armour, 2x Veteran w/ Lasgun, 2x Veteran w/ Meltagun]Chimera [Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter, Heavy Bolter]Master of OrdnanceBattle Group CommandCompany Command Squad [Flak Armour, 2x Veteran w/ Lasgun, 2x Veteran w/ Meltagun] Taurox Master of OrdnanceBattle Group CommandCompany Command Squad [Flak Armour, 2x Veteran w/ Lasgun, 2x Veteran w/ Meltagun] TauroxMaster of OrdnanceBattle Group CommandCompany Command Squad [Flak Armour, 2x Veteran w/ Lasgun, 2x Veteran w/ Meltagun] TauroxMaster of OrdnanceBattle Group CommandCompany Command Squad [Camo Gear for Veterans, Flak Armour, 4x Veteran w/ Lasgun]Master of OrdnanceBattle Group CommandCompany Command Squad [Camo Gear for Veterans, Flak Armour, 4x Veteran w/ Lasgun]Master of OrdnanceBattle Group CommandCompany Command Squad [Camo Gear for Veterans, Flak Armour, 4x Veteran w/ Lasgun]Master of OrdnanceBattle Group CommandCompany Command Squad [Camo Gear for Veterans, Flak Armour, 4x Veteran w/ Lasgun]Master of OrdnanceBattle Group CommandCompany Command Squad [Camo Gear for Veterans, Flak Armour, 4x Veteran w/ Lasgun]Master of Ordnance++ Blood Angels: Codex (2014) (BA Flesh Tearers Strike Force) +++ HQ +Sanguinary Priest [inferno Pistol, Melta bombs] *Goes with in Drop Pod with a CCS*+ Troops +Scout Squad [4x Scouts, 4x Sniper Rifle]Scout Sergeant [sniper Rifle]+ Fast Attack +Drop Pod [storm Bolter]Drop Pod [storm Bolter]Drop Pod [storm Bolter]++ Officio Assassinorum: Dataslate (2014) (Officio Assassinorum Detachment) ++Culexus Assassin *Goes in private Drop Pod... He's a little picky about riding public transports* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share Posted February 16, 2016 Make it so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerClose Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Seahawk. I solemnly salute you, sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 All the masters of ordnance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share Posted February 17, 2016 The attack of the MoO's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 It would be pretty hilarious if all their shots kept taking each other out haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyderson Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Heh, I had a similar thought, although mine was the "Forward Observer List:" A CCS with camo cloaks, a Master of Ordnance, and 15 points of weapon upgrades on average (spread across lascannons, flamers, and plasma most likely) is 113 points. In a 1500 point list, you could fit 13 of these, giving themselves orders on 3d6 and having 31 additional points for random other upgrades. How does 13 S9 AP3 Ordnance pieplates, buffed with Ignores Cover, Pinning, or Tank Hunter sound? Not viable, but funny. I cackled with glee at this. I like Dangerclose's refinements of the idea too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nismogrendel Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I think Seahawk is the first person we have all heard this idea from? I suggest Seahawk provide a name for this MoO spam list :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share Posted February 17, 2016 I think Seahawk is the first person we have all heard this idea from? I suggest Seahawk provide a name for this MoO spam list Can't believe nobody else suggested this first. But if I get to, the name is: Déjà MoO : the feeling you've been bombarded like this before in the same turn. Fire on my target! Ignores cover! BOMBARDMENT!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukash_ Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Nice. I'd drop the Masters of Ordnance from the Taurox squads, as he can't fire on the move and I'm guessing you want them to be mobile-ish. Plus lack of orders for those embarked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nismogrendel Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 All the vets in that list above already have camo cloaks. What about buying an ADL to stick them behind. Use the go to ground/get back in the fight combo to dodge a lot of incomming fire. Take a few CCS w 4x Melta in Chimeras to charge the enemy armor/objectives while the MoO keeps throwing bombs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share Posted February 17, 2016 Personally I'd do chimeras so they all get ordwrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerClose Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 The list above is made with the models i have available and it is also made within the ITC tournament format. That limits my choices somewhat But Chimeras would be preferable, but can you issue an order for your own squad even though you are embarked in the Chimera? Very viable points though. Totally forgot that they can't fire ordnance on the move, Lukash. I think I'll have to tailor the list a little. Really cool combo with the "Get back in the fight!"-order, nismogrendel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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