The Order of the Glorious Reprisal (Display Name Change)

[Aqui]

GW now owes me one (1) Drakenhof Nightshade, and one (1) Seraphim Sepia

 

My addiction is worsening . . .

It starts off small. My Order was only going to get as far as 1500 points. It's getting to 4000 points (and I'm now planning on getting around 1000 points per official Order!)...

[Servant of Dante]

So I have a picture of my finished-again test model, complete with washes and clear coat, but I just haven't got around to posting it.

 

While painting is painful, rules writing is not! Here's the first of three special characters for my order: Canoness Raedia

 

Comments appreciated as always (especially regarding points values.

 

Canoness Raedia.......................................................................................................................................... 160 points

 

WS 5  BS 5  S 3  T 3  W 3  I 4  A 3  Ld 10  Sv 3+  Unit Type: Infantry (Character)  Unit Composition: 1 (Unique)

 

Wargear:

• Power armour
• Bolt pistol
• Rosarius
• Frag grenades
• Krak grenades

Ecclesiarchy Relics:

• Radiance of Majesty

Warlord Trait:

• Righteous Rage (grants Rage special rule)

Special Rules:

• Act of Faith
• Eternal Warrior
• Independent Character
• Martyrdom
• Shield of Faith
• Stubborn

Act Of Faith:

• Bulwark of Faith

ECCLESIARCHY RELICS

Radiance of Majesty: Range -  S x2  AP 2  Type Melee, Armourbane, Heritage of Reprisal, Two-Handed, Unwieldy

 

Heritage of Reprisal: The bearer of this weapon may re-roll one failed roll To Hit and one failed roll To Wound per turn while using this weapon.

 

ACT OF FAITH

Bulwark of Faith: One use only. This Act of Faith can only be used an enemy Assault phase, and unlike other Acts of Faith used in that phase, can only be used as soon as the first charge of that phase is declared against Canoness Raedia and her  unit. If successful, Canoness Raedia and all models in her unit with the Act of Faith special rule gain the Counter-Attack special rule until the end of the current phase.

 

POINTS

Canoness: 65

Rosarius: 15

Evicerator: 30

"Mantle of Ophelia": 25

Set Warlord Trait: 5?

Heritage of Reprisal: 10?

Different AoF: 10?

Total: 160?

Edited May 23, 2016 by Servant of Dante

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Good job.

[Servant of Dante]

So was doing some research into the Dark Heresy rpg, and ended up skimming a thread somewhere about whether a sister could have a boyfriend. I had never thought about this before. My automatic reaction was "No absolutely not, heresy of the highest order!"

 

But apparently, this isn't supported by the fluff. I then found an old thread here on the B&C on a similar topic, which reinforced that it is not a given that battle sisters are chaste.

 

I don't really want a full on debate here, I just wanted to state my position: Battle sisters would never be part of a physical relationship. There are any number of reasons for this, ranging from lack of interest to devotion to the emperor to vows of chastity.

 

This being my order, I hereby decree that in accordance with their extremely puritan mindset and home planet, each sister of the Order of the Glorious Reprisal, along with any and all priests that serve alongside them, take a vow of chastity upon beginning their novitiate/ministry.

 

I am interested in other people's opinions, feel free to post your personal views on sisters and chastity here BUT DO NOT DEBATE THE POINT IN THIS THREAD. A single post containing your personal opinion is sufficient.

Edited May 20, 2016 by Servant of Dante

[dracpanzer]

I tend to think that Sororitas consider themselves wholly devoted to the Emperor. Married to him if you will, in the manner of ancient Catholic nuns. So chastity becomes a necessity as adultery would be a quick trip to a Repentia vow. Not saying that it wouldn't happen, folks are folks, but the discipline for any such occurrences would be severe in the extreme. Certainly enough to dissuade thosethose most of those who might be tempted.

[WarriorFish]

They were formerly brides of the Emperor, but generally I find it entirely irrelevant. Who cares about romance in the grim darkness of the far future? We're here for all the dead xenos and heretics.

[Servant of Dante]

They were formerly brides of the Emperor, but generally I find it entirely irrelevant. Who cares about romance in the grim darkness of the far future? We're here for all the dead xenos and heretics.

And for the miniatures game this is fine. The topic becomes a little more relevant in an RPG featuring SoB PCs. Either way, not a big deal.

 

Thanks for the input!

[Servant of Dante]

Brotherhood of Angels Complete (in OP)!

[*Furyou Miko]

My personal take on the matter is this;

 

Relationships are a distraction, and sex is fun.

 

The Adepta Sororitas are a penitent order. They use pens covered in needles, practice self-flagellation and spend their days training for war, investigating corruption and being very sorry for what their spiritual ancestors did. These things are enshrined in the fluff. They're as close to canon as 40k gets.

 

Therefore, Sisters do not have relationships with people outside their Orders, and they never, ever have sex.

 

Because they know, as part of their faith and very nature, that they do not deserve that pleasure. Or any other, other than the satisfaction of a job well done, and that only after they have gone through every step of the job looking for mistakes.

 

Firstly so that they can avoid making them next time, and secondly so they know how much more penitence to make.

 

The Adepta Sororitas are not a sane organisation. They are religious fanatics. If there's one catholic ideal that they hold dear to their hearts, it's that of Original Sin.

 

Becoming the Brides of the Emperor instead of cutting Vandire down on San Leor is their Original Sin, and no amount of blood, suffering and praying can ever, ever wash that sin away.

 

But they are trying. They are doing the Emperor's holy work. They are ensuring that nothing like it ever happens again. Defending the faithful. Protecting them from those who desire to turn them away, or mis-use their faith. They are the daughters of the Emperor and sin. But they are still Daughters of the Emperor.

 

And they will earn the right to stand with their father against the coming darkness.

[Servant of Dante]

Excellent! I like it!

[Warsmith Aznable]

On the one hand I generally agree with the Delinquent Shrine Maiden.

On the other hand, there is plenty of room for delinquent shrine maidens.

 

Sororitas are not psycho-indoctrinated, genetically-engineered post-humans, they are humans. And while everything we know about their upbringing and daily life is that it is very structured and focused, we also know that humans will always be humans. We also know that there are six major orders and many smaller orders, so that the Order Rule that one lives by will have six major variations and many smaller variations.

 

The Many Possible Lives of Sister Hypothetica

 

One:

Hidden Content

Let's say that there is a shrine with its one Sister of Battle stationed to protect it. She's been there for several years by herself doing her job and awaiting for her relief to show up. Maybe that relief got volunteered by an Inquisitor to do something else on the way, or the ship she was on rerouted for logistical reasons, or gets lost in the warp, or destroyed in a disaster, or maybe in the grim darkness of the Adeptus Administratum her paperwork was filed in the wrong place and she has disappeared from the records forever, or even that her mission was one-way on purpose because she was the lucky Battle Sister to be too competent to eject by unusable enough to be put in a front line unit.

 

She might as well be a single nun sitting on a Micronesian island in the 18th century awaiting for her replacement from whatever small convent from Europe she was born into. It's entirely possible that she got there young enough that she's been guarding the Shrine of the Holy Tooth or Whatever for the majority of time she's even been a Sister of Battle. The first year or two she was there she was a paragon of virtue. The third year she spent praying for forgiveness for whatever she had done to be stuck in that boring backwater. The fourth year she got bored and started exploring the community during her off hours. By the fifth year that nice PDF lieutenant from the local Armoury worked up the nerve to talk to her while they utilized adjoining lanes at the firing range.

 

So Sister Hypothetica doesn't get married or anything, and neither her nor Lieutenant Backwater would call it anything like a normal relationship, but the two of them spend their off hours together in a friendly way, and eventually Sister Hypothetica has a toothbrush in his BOQ. A few people know they spend time together, but neither of them have jobs that require constant direct oversight, her being the only Sororitas on the planet and him being essentially an active duty Reserves officer who only sees his own unit one weekend a month. When they are in uniform together it's always at the range and they never commit public displays of affection there. When they are in civvies together out on the economy they act with discretion, and nobody would take special notice of them.

 

Maybe Sister Hypothetica never gets relieved and the two remain close friends until they retire to the same Imperial Home For Really Old Government Workers and spend the last of their days watching really loud television together, never having been married or having children or anything like a normal life together, but both having accomplished their mediocre careers without incident and enjoying their time together.

 

Maybe SIster Hypothetica eventually has her file rediscovered by the Order that sent her there, and suddenly, after many years of being on her own, Sister Hypothetica has a tearful goodbye with Lieutenant Backwater and ships back to the home Order. When she gets back perhaps she admits to a superior what she had been up to. Maybe that superior is a cast iron   and assigns her harsh penitence before sending her for retraining. Maybe that superior understands, having experienced some heartache in her own young years, and assigns her the equivalent of fifty Ave Imperators and 100 push-ups before telling her to keep her mouth shut and do her best to forget before reintegrating her with the Order. Maybe that superior is a zealout and straps Sister Hypothetica into a Penitent Engine or sends her to a Mistress of Repentance. Maybe that superior doesn't even bat an eye, but nods her head and carries on filling out her paperwork, sending Sister Hypothetica along without further comment.

 

It's one scenario.

 

Two:

Hidden Content

Sister Hypothetica and her squad have been fighting the campaign on Planet Eternal War for quite a long time. It's grinding warfare, and so many have died in the trenches that Sister Hypothetica is on her fifth reformed squad, hasn't seen her Canoness in months, and company command has become a young Frateris Militia runner who appears randomly with messages for long dead Sister Superiors and occasionally brings a box of bolter rounds. She started the campaign as a Retributor but she hasn't seen her Heavy Bolter since two winters ago. For the past month she's spent all of her time either staring over the top of a trench waiting for the next attack, or hunkered in a dug-out trying to get some rest. She doesn't really know her squad mates very well. She stopped thinking about names a long time ago. Sometimes they pray together, though, and it makes her feel better.

 

One day, after a particularly intense artillery bombardment, Sister Hypothetica is overwhelmed with the joy of still being alive. She's still alive, she's a young woman, and being alive is great. The Guardsman whose dug-out she jumped into when the artillery bombardment started is startled by her sudden, passionate advance, but he is alive and a young man, and they passionately if awkwardly accomplish what alive, young humans can.

 

Sister Hypothetica never sees him again. She doesn't know if he survives or not, and years later when the campaign is over she has a hard time even picturing his face, but she never forgets the feeling of being full of life in the midst of so much death and misery. She doesn't talk about it with anyone. She doesn't have anyone to talk to even if she wanted to. The Sororitas forces on Planet Eternal War took such a beating that nobody she knew survived, and those that did survive were all dispersed into different units when they arrived back at the Convent. They were so war weary and shell shocked that they were given a month of rest and prayer, during which they were observed for signs of psychological problems, but they were never interrogated, and Sister Hypothetica had by that time decided not to ever think about what happened during the war, let alone any individual moment. But sometimes she gets a lungful of earthy fresh air, and is thankful to the Emperor for sparing her life.

 

Three:

Hidden Content

Sister Hypothetica belongs to a relatively small Order Minoris. They are based out in the fringes of the galaxy, and occasionally make expeditions to support the sub-sector war efforts. It's mostly low intensity warfare with criminal organisations, minor cults, the occasional petty rebellion, and random pirate suppression, both human and xenos. Typically Sister Hypothetica's unit spends a month after each short campaign repairing and replacing wargear, another month going over training maneuvers, and the next month loading the transports for their next rotation out into the sticks to fight whatever yokels have decided to piss off the Imperium next.

 

Their Canoness, who spends a lot of time dealing with Fleet commanders, Lord Governors' envoys, and Munitorum officials, only has one addition to the Standing Orders: "Be Deployable Or Be Dead."

 

Sister Hypothetica knows that as long as her wargear is in order, her paperwork is up to date, she maintains physical fitness standards, and she signs the log book at the chapel three times a week then nobody will care what she does between the hours of 1830 (when she is usually released from duty for the day) and 2200 (when the front gate of the priory is locked.) That is just enough time to get away for a little bit. Most of the time she just goes out just to be out, usually just having her dinner at someplace other than the priory's d-fac. But sometimes a very good friend of hers from a different squad is also in between deployments and has free time, so they go out together. They've been friends since Schola, and are very close. They are not exactly in a relationship, but have found that the best way to mitigate their base urges while remaining deployable is to rely on one another. They've learned from the example of one or two very unfortunate Sisters that trying to have off-post relationships with civilians is at the very least too dangerously complicated, and at worst gets one drummed out of the Order. They are happy with what little time they have together, and their superiors are satisfied with their performance while on duty as well as their discretion while off-duty, so it's become something of an open secret that nobody pays any attention to.

 

Four:

Hidden Content

Sister Hypothetica was called to be a part of an Inquisitor's retinue. She doesn't see her Inquisitor very often, and frankly he doesn't seem at all interested in them, having never bothered with any of their names. She has been from day one simply, "Sister." Most of the time on duty she follows him around with a bolter and stares menacingly at whomever he talks to. Sometimes she has to execute people, and on more than occasion she has defended him from assassination attempts. She likes it best when he issues a rare Purge order, because she gets to wade in and destroy groups of heretics. But many long months are spent aboard his cruiser fighting nothing but boredom.

 

Sister Hypothetica, understanding that she's not likely to ever go back to her Order except in a body bag, has taken comfort in a relationship with one of her fellow acolytes. At first they did not like one another; their outlooks were very different. They spent a lot of time debating obscure differences of cult, but they were both fervent believers in the God-Emperor and His Holy Imperium. Their roles as acolytes caused them to spend a lot of unconventional time together as well, doing surveillance work and infiltrating suspect groups. During one mission they developed the identities of a married couple, which sparked a somewhat more emotional argument than neither had been able to admit they were repressing. Ever since then Sister Hypothetica and Acolyte Brooding McHandsomeface have been spending all of their free time during long transits together, separated from their pasts and seizing the present in the face of the certainty of future doom in the service of the Inquisition.

 

Five:

Hidden Content

Canoness Hypothetica has been moving through society for decades. It's part of her job. She has to deal with Lord Governors, Fleet Admirals, Planetary Nobility, the occasional Inquisitor, Militarum Generals, and a lot of other Imperials of high birth and good upbringing. She was uncomfortable with this at first, much preferring the leading of troops on the battlefield, but as she rose higher in the ranks of the Order and her own personal command got bigger, she found she was fighting more and more of her battles at dinner parties and in ball rooms. She had dallied in physical relationships as a callow youth, nothing more than uncertain experimentation from hotblooded growing pains. But command had given her a different perspective. Not only was she afforded more freedom with less oversight, not only did she wield power and prestige, but she had a lot more time. Time to think. And she was lonely at the top of an organization where she had no social equals.

 

Canoness Hypothetica, having finally become accustomed to moving in society as a powerful equal of those she only thought of before with distant contempt, decided to relax a little bit. She had shot down many of the inevitable advances of the arrogant nobility for years, but when a gallant Militarum General invited her to dance at a social function, she surprised everyone (including herself) by accepting. Afterward they moved to a balcony to talk, and she found that his own career held many parallels with hers. As leaders of fighting forces that had necessarily moved from the battle field to the corridors of power they shared many of the same problems, anxieties, and opinions.

 

Canoness Hypothetica and General Mann became political allies as well as fast friends. Due to their respective positions they could not officially be more than that, and both of them felt that they were married to their troops first anyway. But the two were close and had a high regard for one another, and whenever they could they found reasons to spend late nights with one another. They took good care of their troops and put their missions first always. Their careful discretion made it difficult for political enemies to find excuse for scandal, and their important positions among the military made those slim excuses political (or actual) suicide to be utilised. The two remained allies and lovers well into their advanced ages, the relationship only ending when the Canoness fell in battle, causing General Mann to retire from active service in his grief.

 

The point of all that is while I agree in general with Miko's assessment as an overall state of affairs in regards to Sororitas and relationships, if you're writing a story then you want interesting characters, and interesting characters often (and usually) break from standard expectations of behavior or find themselves in unusual situations. It's what makes them interesting. So if someone wants to write characters (or Orders Minoris as characters such as in a DIY fluff) then deviating from the norm is OK, if not somewhat necessary.

[Servant of Dante]

Thanks! I personally want nothing to do with Sister Hypothetical. I'm in the "send her to a mistress of repentance" camp.

 

I'm not saying sister hypothetica shouldn't exist, just that I don't want the Adepta Sororitas as a whole to condone her actions. I'm not going to write a story about it by any means.

[Warsmith Aznable]

Thanks! I personally want nothing to do with Sister Hypothetical. I'm in the "send her to a mistress of repentance" camp.

 

I'm not saying sister hypothetica shouldn't exist, just that I don't want the Adepta Sororitas as a whole to condone her actions. I'm not going to write a story about it by any means.

 

That's another hand to think about: tragedy. One of the appeals of the Imperium as a literary subject is the crushing of individuals for the benefit of the whole. To illustrate the point of their insanity and asceticism, somebody needs to be offered up as a sacrifice. That's an interesting story to me. Take any of the examples of Sister Hypothetica and it could easily be 100% Grimdark. Maybe she gets caught and is forced to execute her lover before she's sent to the Repentia squad. Maybe she gets knocked up and runs away, her dereliction of duty condemning her squad to death in battle because she's not there. Maybe in her ignorance of these types of relationships she fails to recognize a heretic for what he is leading to the death and misery she was trying to avoid.

 

Or in other words: what's a rule without someone to break it? What's a punishment without someone to suffer it?

[Servant of Dante]

 

Thanks! I personally want nothing to do with Sister Hypothetical. I'm in the "send her to a mistress of repentance" camp.

 

I'm not saying sister hypothetica shouldn't exist, just that I don't want the Adepta Sororitas as a whole to condone her actions. I'm not going to write a story about it by any means.

 

That's another hand to think about: tragedy. One of the appeals of the Imperium as a literary subject is the crushing of individuals for the benefit of the whole. To illustrate the point of their insanity and asceticism, somebody needs to be offered up as a sacrifice. That's an interesting story to me. Take any of the examples of Sister Hypothetica and it could easily be 100% Grimdark. Maybe she gets caught and is forced to execute her lover before she's sent to the Repentia squad. Maybe she gets knocked up and runs away, her dereliction of duty condemning her squad to death in battle because she's not there. Maybe in her ignorance of these types of relationships she fails to recognize a heretic for what he is leading to the death and misery she was trying to avoid.

 

Or in other words: what's a rule without someone to break it? What's a punishment without someone to suffer it?

 

Well . . . I am writing a story about my order, and there will be a condemned former sister (not a repentia, they don't believe in those (because I don't like the models)) and maybe she is a "sister Hypothetica," albeit some time after the fact. It might be ineresting to see such a former sister some decades later. Have they learned their lesson? Have they made peace with themselves and their God-Emperor?

 

Edit: ETL vow #1 coming soon hopefully!

Edited May 23, 2016 by Servant of Dante

[Servant of Dante]

Seraphim Superior Katelien.......................................................................................................................... 115 points

 

WS 5  BS 4  S 3  T 3  W 2  I 3  A 2  Ld 10  Sv 3+  Unit Type: Jump Infantry (Character)  Unit Composition: 1 (Unique)

 

Wargear:

• Frag grenades
• Krak grenades

Ecclesiarchy Relics:

• Instruments of Reprisal

Warlord Trait:

• Beacon of Faith

Special Rules:

• Act of Faith
• Angelic Visage
• Simulacrum Angelica
• Hit & Run
• Shield of Faith

Act Of Faith:

• The Emperor’s Wrath

ECCLESIARCHY RELICS

Instruments of Reprisal: The armour and weapons of Seraphim Superior Vendela, the Instruments of Reprisal include the four pieces of Wargear described below.

 

Edge of Faith: Range -  S +1  AP 3  Type Melee, Master-Crafted

 

Majesty’s Rebuke: Range 12"  S 7  AP 2  Type Pistol, Gets Hot

 

Wings of the Martyr: The Wings of the Martyr are a Jump Pack.

 

Armour of Vendela: The Armour of Vendela confers a 3+ Armour Save. In addition, the inspiring history the armour represents grants its bearer the Stubborn special rule.

 

SPECIAL RULES

Simulacrum Angelica: As long as Seraphim Superior Katelien is alive, her unit counts as having a Simulacrum Imperialis.

 

ACT OF FAITH

The Emperor’s Wrath: One use only. This Act of Faith can be used in either player’s Assault phase. If successful, Seraphim Superior Katelien and her unit re-roll failed To Wound rolls until the end of the phase.

 

POINTS

+1 WS 5

+1 W 10

+1 Ld 5

 

Seraphim Superior 25

Power Sword 15

     Master-Crafted 5

Plasma Pistol 15

Stubborn 10

Simulacrum Imperialis 10

Set Warlord Trait 5

AoF 10

TOTAL 115?

Edited May 24, 2016 by Servant of Dante

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Regarding Majesty's Rebuke: IIRC, no pistol has a range greater than 12". If you insist on using an extended range, it should be 18" (one-and-a-half foot, and equal to a hotshot lasgun's range, so it'll be easy to measure and easy to remember), and you may need to (exercise creative writing skills and) describe the weapon as something like the Buntline Special or the Psychogun.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

So was doing some research into the Dark Heresy rpg, and ended up skimming a thread somewhere about whether a sister could have a boyfriend. I had never thought about this before. My automatic reaction was "No absolutely not, heresy of the highest order!"

 

But apparently, this isn't supported by the fluff. I then found an old thread here on the B&C on a similar topic, which reinforced that it is not a given that battle sisters are chaste.

 

I don't really want a full on debate here, I just wanted to state my position: Battle sisters would never be part of a physical relationship. There are any number of reasons for this, ranging from lack of interest to devotion to the emperor to vows of chastity.

 

This being my order, I hereby decree that in accordance with their extremely puritan mindset and home planet, each sister of the Order of the Glorious Reprisal, along with any and all priests that serve alongside them, take a vow of chastity upon beginning their novitiate/ministry.

 

I am interested in other people's opinions, feel free to post your personal views on sisters and chastity here BUT DO NOT DEBATE THE POINT IN THIS THREAD. A single post containing your personal opinion is sufficient.

The Ciaphas Cain novel 'Cain's Last Stand' (reprinted in the 'Ciaphas Cain: Defender of the Imperium' omnibus) dealt directly with this. Sisters are NOT required to take vows of chastity, but few live long enough to get into a relationship. (The Sister who did is an instructor at the Schola where Cain teaches; both are retired from active service by that point, but they are NOT in a relationship with each other.)

 

Then there's the problem Furyou Miko mentioned regarding a Sister's faith. She may see herself as undeserving of the joy such a relationship can bring, and even if she didn't, who can she relate to? Outside of her convent, she'll find very few people who GENUINELY share her beliefs (as opposed to paying lip service in hopes of avoiding persecution) or match her in religious furor, making her feel isolated and even alienated.

Edited May 23, 2016 by Bjorn Firewalker

[Servant of Dante]

I'd hardly call snarky ciaphas Cain true canon even though I love the books, but I get the point.

[*Furyou Miko]

The thing about Cain is that he lives in a subtly different version of the 40k universe to the rest of the fluff.

 

This is most obvious when Techpriests show up - Techpriests in the Cain novels wear white robes. This lines up with Rogue Trader fluff, but not with Warhammer 40,000 fluff, which has them universally wearing red.

 

Of all Aznable's proposed hypotheticas, I actually don't have a problem with #3 so much - I did specify 'relationships outside their orders'. I do think that there's potentially room for a... I guess the best way to call it is a 'romantic two-girl friendship', between two Sisters. It's not dating, they're not "in love", and they're not having sex. But they do love each other.

 

On the other hand, members of a long-term squad probably feel that way towards all their close sisters. When you walk through hell, it's a recorded fact that people form strong emotional bonds with those who walk with them.

[Servant of Dante]

The thing about Cain is that he lives in a subtly different version of the 40k universe to the rest of the fluff.

 

This is most obvious when Techpriests show up - Techpriests in the Cain novels wear white robes. This lines up with Rogue Trader fluff, but not with Warhammer 40,000 fluff, which has them universally wearing red.

 

Of all Aznable's proposed hypotheticas, I actually don't have a problem with #3 so much - I did specify 'relationships outside their orders'. I do think that there's potentially room for a... I guess the best way to call it is a 'romantic two-girl friendship', between two Sisters. It's not dating, they're not "in love", and they're not having sex. But they do love each other.

 

On the other hand, members of a long-term squad probably feel that way towards all their close sisters. When you walk through hell, it's a recorded fact that people form strong emotional bonds with those who walk with them.

Yes. I really have no issue with that sort of non-romantic love, if I understand what you're saying. Kinda like a the love between siblings. I can't see how that would be discouraged. In fact, I would assume some degree of this would be the norm, especially in long established squads like you said.

 

Edit: Now that I look back, I think Aznable was insinuating a little more than what I'm talking about . . .

 

 

Regarding Majesty's Rebuke: IIRC, no pistol has a range greater than 12". If you insist on using an extended range, it should be 18" (one-and-a-half foot, and equal to a hotshot lasgun's range, so it'll be easy to measure and easy to remember), and you may need to (exercise creative writing skills and) describe the weapon as something like the Buntline Special or the Psychogun.

Sure. I'll probably just make it a normal plasma pistol.

 

Edit: Done

Edited May 23, 2016 by Servant of Dante

[*Furyou Miko]

For Majesty's Rebuke, I don't have a problem with the 16" range. It's just an odd number.

 

There is precedence - Dante's Perdition Pistol was a double-range Inferno Pistol. Admittedly, that put it at range 12".

[Servant of Dante]

For Majesty's Rebuke, I don't have a problem with the 16" range. It's just an odd number.

 

There is precedence - Dante's Perdition Pistol was a double-range Inferno Pistol. Admittedly, that put it at range 12".

Was that in 4E? 'Cause in 3E it's only 6", and it's jut called an Inferno Pistol, and it looks like he was the only person in the galaxy who had one (just curious)

 

As for Majesty's Rebuke, Maybe I'll just make it MC.

Edited May 23, 2016 by Servant of Dante

[*Furyou Miko]

Third. He had Perdition, 'A master crafted melta pistol', before the Sisters got access to regular inferno pistols a few months later.

[Servant of Dante]

I have the BA 3E supplement right here.

 

Under Lord Dante's special character entry:

"Inferno Pistol: The Inferno pistol is a beautifully crafted example of the artificer's skill, utilising [sic]  a knowledge of melta weapons that has long since been lost. As a melta weapon, the Inferno pistol gets an extra D6 armour penetration when fired within 3". The Inferno pistol has the following profile:

Range 6"     Strength 8     AP 2     Pistol"

 

Was there a second set of BA rules in third edition? What I have is this http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Codex:_Blood_Angels_%283rd_Edition%29 (Lexicanum link)

 

Edit: But the WH 'dex does have inferno pistols in it too (although it's 3.5E)

Edited May 23, 2016 by Servant of Dante

[Servant of Dante]

I know there are 2 others browsing this forum. Felt a little strange. This post has no actual content.

 

Edit: Oh! But I changed my signature! BoA officially complete!

Edited May 23, 2016 by Servant of Dante