Angels of Caliban (Spoilers)

[HaSY]

Also keep in mind that probably three quarters of the Dark Angel reserves on Caliban haven't seen combat. They're recruits waiting at home til they're called upon, and never participated in the Great Crusade. Their combat experience is confined to conflicts on Caliban itself.

The sneak peek in Holder of Keys audio drama show disparity.

[b1soul]

b1soul:  Guilliman and Sanguinius have an empire to run.  I think they also want to avoid a booby trap situation like in Unrembered Empire, when the Lion and Guillian were together and nearly killed by Curzes bombs.  Of course when the Lion finds curze, he can call them both in if necessary.

They are smart enough to delegate.

[Robbienw]

Thats right DarkChaplain.  The 30,000 are fresh troops who have never seen combat (aside from their commanding officers).  There are around 10,000 other marines who are the garrison for Caliban, these are more experienced troops.

[Robbienw]

Fear not chaps, I'm almost at page 300, so only 1/4th of the book to go.  I'm almost at the Lion vs Curze fight!!

 

more happenings:

 

 

Back to Ultramar. This chapter is entitled locking the stable gate, lol. The lion, sanguinius and guilliman are planning over a model of macragge civitas.

Guilliman and prayto quote Shakespeare.

Holguin leads armour and Dark Angels by macragge civitas. They march into the city to assume protection of the primarchs. Another unique Dark Angel vehicle gets a mention, 'super-heavy Portcullis monotracks', a vehicle bearing energy shield generators. Also a type of flyer, the Swordstrike interceptor. Holguins personal Land Raider doesn't have tracks, it has an anti-gravity generator!

At Illyrium, an ultramarine and a dark angel squad are killed by a booby trap. An ultramarine whirlwind is destroyed. A thunder hawk transport is destroyed. There are anti-imperial rebels in Illyrium who have carried out these attacks. The lion believe Curze is behind it. The primarchs decide Curze wants them to drive further into Illyrium and become bogged down by an insurgency. They withdraw from Illyrium.

Caliban. More discussion between Luther and co. Belath returns to see Luther, with the Librarian Asmodeus. Asmodeus was involved with the lion killing Nemiel incident. Asmodeus tries a subtle mind read of Astelan, Zahariel tries to block his thoughts so he won't find out about the rebellion. Both are repulsed by a powerful block in Astelans mind. Astelan reveals to Zahariel that he had a kind of psychic protection put in his mind by the emperor. As we already know Astelan was one of the first marines created. All of the initial first legion marines had this psychic protection. The emperor did not give it to subsequent first legion marines or those of any other legion, as it was too much for him when marines started being produced in greater numbers.

Luther reflects on his past history. Belath arrives. He is concerned Luther is stalling.
The 30,000 recruits he is to take are all fresh, none of them has seen actual combat (aside from, presumably, their commanders). Luther tells him it's taking time to ready so many men for lifting to orbit. There will be a ceremony to see them off.

Luther talks with cypher. Cypher is charged with trying to bring Belaths warriors to their side. Luther is not sure he will be able to order their deaths if they don't.

Belaths Warriors arrive. They are observed from a balcony by Zahariel and his psykers. A renowned warrior has arrived with Belath, a marine called Griffayn. He is known to everyone as the commander of the fire wing, however his armour marks his rank as sergeant at arms, not as voted-lieutenant. For some reason his rank is held in abeyance.

Ultramar. The lion tells Guilliman and sanguinius of insurrectionist attacks from illyrium. He argues that it is a non-compliant area full of rebels and should be scoured by orbital bombardment. Obviously Guilliman is against this, arguing that many in illyrium are neutral innocents (it is a city of 4 million). Sanguinius forbids the Lion from making an orbital bombardment, but authorises him to use any means necessary to go into illyrium and find Curze.

Fast forward a little bit and we are with surviving insurrectionist in a part of the now heavily shelled city of illyrium. They observe a gunship arriving in the vicinity. Out steps Farith Redloss. Incoming rockets hit the area, they are phosphex rockets. The insurrectionist are killed. The pacification of illyrium has commenced.

Caliban. The triumphal feast. Eating, drinking, and powerful oratory from Luther. Zahariel attempts to subtly mind read Belaths Warriors as he passes out wine. Luther is talking of Caliban and the dark Angels. Zahariel is able to gauge which dark Angels are more attached to Caliban or the Lion and legion. Zahariel gives a gold cup to those who are mentally responding more to the parts about Caliban. He gives a silver cup to those responding more to the Dark Angel parts.

Ultramar. Illyrium is burning. It is being hammered by the Dreadwing. The Deathwing continue guarding macragge civitas. The rest of the Dark Angels are standing in reserve and patrolling and enforcing order on the encampments of refugees from Illyrium. The cave systems of the highlands, a perfect hide out for the rebels, have yet to be attacked. The lion has arrived to take personal command

 

[Fire Golem]

The Lion, Sanguinius and Curze are planning? They fixed their relationship quick! ;)

[Robbienw]

I'm up to page 331 now, not many pages left, should have the ending for you guys tommorrow.

 

More happenings:

 

 

Redloss wants to use orbital gunfire support to crack open the mountain, but they can't because of sanguinius's orders. They will take casualties if they go into the mountain tunnels, and Curze could escape at the last moment. Redloss proposes using death storm pods, tarantulas, rapier a and a variety of ordnance to seal off the mountain. Then they will deploy dread hammer tanks with void shells to open holes in the mountain. Then assault Rams and drop pods loaded with rad and phosphex will be flown into the breaches. This will render Ilyrium largely uninhabitable for centuries.

It will be an orbital assault, which sanguinius had forbade, however it will look like an infantry drop, so they will be able to get away with it. The lion maker one amendment to the plan - when the mountain had been cleansed the Dreadwing will seal the mountain and withdraw. The Lion will then go in alone to hunt Curze.

Caliban. Astelan, Galedan and some marines land on one of the transports and take possession of it from the crew. Other groups are taking the rest of the transports. Astelan and Galedan then go to take over Belaths ship, a battle barge. It happens to be Astelans old command ship, that was taken off him after Zaramund.

Ultramar. The Dreadwing have done their thing to the mountain. The lion goes in to hunt Curze down. He goes in alone to draw Curze out. Curze will be too tempted to attack him instead of escaping again.
Holguin is with sanguinius, Guilliaman and Valentus dolor. Guilliman is agitated that they have heard nothing in 2 days from Ilyrium. There are also questions from sanguinius and dolor. Holguin is diplomatic.

Caliban. Back to the ceremonial feast. Some of Luthers marines are on the balcony above the grand hall. Belaths Warriors are marked with the gold or silver cups signalling their likely allegiance. Belath receives a message that Astelan has seized his ships and reacts badly. Luther tells Belath and his Warriors that it is time Caliban was liberated from the imperium. Belaths is intensely angry. Luther wants to win him and his company round and attempts to convince them through his skilful oratory. Zahariel attempts to subtly psychically sway them to Luthers side using the power of the Ourbourus. Luther uses the example of Prospero in and attempt to convince them the Emperor is a tyrant. Luther also mentions Lokens visit coming to Caliban as a spy for the emperor, and that the lion has gone to macragge to guillimans second empire.

It appears Luther has won them over. But Zahariel knows Caliban, or rather the Ourbourus demon, wants conflict, not peaceful resolution. He makes a psychic attack on Belath, a bolt of green lightning that kills Belath instantly. He says he had a vision that Belath was about to attack Luther. He commands them to slay Belaths marines, and everyone opens fire.

 

And finally, the one we have been waiting for THE LION VS CURZE!!!!!  An epic fight with a satisfying outcome!

 

 

Curze suddenly attacks but the Lion is ready for it. He takes a minor wound but curzes attack is turned aside. The lion fires a bolter point blank into curzes chest, forcing him to withdraw to the shadows. Curze strikes several times out of the darkness, but the lion avoids the attacks, using instinctual skill, like he did as a child against the beasts in the forests. He gets a stab in with his blade to curzes torso.

More fighting. The lion is getting the better of Curze. He chases him into a temple. They talk a bit. More fighting. Curze then reveals he has Azkaellons hand, with the terminus device still attached and he is going to use it to blow up melta bombs has had lined the temple with. The lion informs him his men were at the temple yesterday and disabled the bombs. Curze is beginning to realise he has been out played! He runs through the temple to escape and gets to the surface. A missile explodes nearby, knocking him into the wall. 3 Dark Angel fire raptors are blocking the way. Curze is angry. He turns and throws himself at the lion. They fight more. Curze is lethal but the lion deflects his attacks, sustaining a few minor injuries.

Curze insists the lion can't kill him, because he is destined to die by the hand of an assassin. The lion strikes, stabbing Curze through the forearm pinning him to the wall. Curze pulls his arm free and fights back. The lion has the better of Curze though, grabs him and throws them both down some stairs. He hits Curze in the neck and the head. He asks Curze why he turned. Curze does not know, he is not sane. He puts his sword to curzes throat, to the scar he left at the end of the thramas crusade. Curze wants to die, to be released.

The Lion says he will not kill him. He then gives Curze a complete battering, pounding him into the floor, throwing him into the walls, kicking and kneeing him. He rips curzes backpack off his armour. He lifts Curze in the air and pulls him down across his shoulders, breaking his back!!!

Curze asks why, the lion says he will not murder him, he will face justice and be executed. The lion breaks curzes Lightning claws off. He sees a calibanites sword on Curzes belt and takes it; it's the sword Corswain stabbed Curze in the back with.

Redloss and the Dreadwing arrive. The Lion orders them to bring heavy chains to bind Curze.

 

[DarkChaplain]

Wait, what?

 

 

Zahariel is doing the Orouborus's bidding?! Doesn't that fly in the face of him sealing the thing away before, and being really damn weary of it in Guardian of the Order?

And wasn't he supposedly a Grey Knight dude as per Pandorax?

 

And I guess the Lion and Curze are doing a Bane and Batman thing now.

 

[Robbienw]

DarkChaplain:

 

 

Yes thats right. He was corrupted in some way when he was trapped inside it. He sees it as the heart, soul and life of caliban. He can see its influence on the world around him. He is using its power and doing what he feels it wants.

It was trapped in Caliban (by the Watchers i guess) a long time ago, he has given it a connection to the warp again.

 

[RedFurioso]

Any Fire Wing info except appearance of Griffayn?

[depthcharge12]

Dear Santa Bligh, this Christmas I want:

 

•DA Glaives with Rift Cannons

 

•Dreadwing Rules

 

•Grav powered land raiders

 

•Portcullis portable void shield projectors

 

If you get this for me, I promise I will be a really good boy and not pull my sister's ponytail.

[Guest]

I'm up to page 331 now, not many pages left, should have the ending for you guys tommorrow.

 

More happenings:

 

 

Redloss wants to use orbital gunfire support to crack open the mountain, but they can't because of sanguinius's orders. They will take casualties if they go into the mountain tunnels, and Curze could escape at the last moment. Redloss proposes using death storm pods, tarantulas, rapier a and a variety of ordnance to seal off the mountain. Then they will deploy dread hammer tanks with void shells to open holes in the mountain. Then assault Rams and drop pods loaded with rad and phosphex will be flown into the breaches. This will render Ilyrium largely uninhabitable for centuries.

 

It will be an orbital assault, which sanguinius had forbade, however it will look like an infantry drop, so they will be able to get away with it. The lion maker one amendment to the plan - when the mountain had been cleansed the Dreadwing will seal the mountain and withdraw. The Lion will then go in alone to hunt Curze.

 

Caliban. Astelan, Galedan and some marines land on one of the transports and take possession of it from the crew. Other groups are taking the rest of the transports. Astelan and Galedan then go to take over Belaths ship, a battle barge. It happens to be Astelans old command ship, that was taken off him after Zaramund.

 

Ultramar. The Dreadwing have done their thing to the mountain. The lion goes in to hunt Curze down. He goes in alone to draw Curze out. Curze will be too tempted to attack him instead of escaping again.

Holguin is with sanguinius, Guilliaman and Valentus dolor. Guilliman is agitated that they have heard nothing in 2 days from Ilyrium. There are also questions from sanguinius and dolor. Holguin is diplomatic.

 

Caliban. Back to the ceremonial feast. Some of Luthers marines are on the balcony above the grand hall. Belaths Warriors are marked with the gold or silver cups signalling their likely allegiance. Belath receives a message that Astelan has seized his ships and reacts badly. Luther tells Belath and his Warriors that it is time Caliban was liberated from the imperium. Belaths is intensely angry. Luther wants to win him and his company round and attempts to convince them through his skilful oratory. Zahariel attempts to subtly psychically sway them to Luthers side using the power of the Ourbourus. Luther uses the example of Prospero in and attempt to convince them the Emperor is a tyrant. Luther also mentions Lokens visit coming to Caliban as a spy for the emperor, and that the lion has gone to macragge to guillimans second empire.

 

It appears Luther has won them over. But Zahariel knows Caliban, or rather the Ourbourus demon, wants conflict, not peaceful resolution. He makes a psychic attack on Belath, a bolt of green lightning that kills Belath instantly. He says he had a vision that Belath was about to attack Luther. He commands them to slay Belaths marines, and everyone opens fire.

 

 

And finally, the one we have been waiting for THE LION VS CURZE!!!!!  An epic fight with a satisfying outcome!

 

 

Curze suddenly attacks but the Lion is ready for it. He takes a minor wound but curzes attack is turned aside. The lion fires a bolter point blank into curzes chest, forcing him to withdraw to the shadows. Curze strikes several times out of the darkness, but the lion avoids the attacks, using instinctual skill, like he did as a child against the beasts in the forests. He gets a stab in with his blade to curzes torso.

 

More fighting. The lion is getting the better of Curze. He chases him into a temple. They talk a bit. More fighting. Curze then reveals he has Azkaellons hand, with the terminus device still attached and he is going to use it to blow up melta bombs has had lined the temple with. The lion informs him his men were at the temple yesterday and disabled the bombs. Curze is beginning to realise he has been out played! He runs through the temple to escape and gets to the surface. A missile explodes nearby, knocking him into the wall. 3 Dark Angel fire raptors are blocking the way. Curze is angry. He turns and throws himself at the lion. They fight more. Curze is lethal but the lion deflects his attacks, sustaining a few minor injuries.

 

Curze insists the lion can't kill him, because he is destined to die by the hand of an assassin. The lion strikes, stabbing Curze through the forearm pinning him to the wall. Curze pulls his arm free and fights back. The lion has the better of Curze though, grabs him and throws them both down some stairs. He hits Curze in the neck and the head. He asks Curze why he turned. Curze does not know, he is not sane. He puts his sword to curzes throat, to the scar he left at the end of the thramas crusade. Curze wants to die, to be released.

 

The Lion says he will not kill him. He then gives Curze a complete battering, pounding him into the floor, throwing him into the walls, kicking and kneeing him. He rips curzes backpack off his armour. He lifts Curze in the air and pulls him down across his shoulders, breaking his back!!!

 

Curze asks why, the lion says he will not murder him, he will face justice and be executed. The lion breaks curzes Lightning claws off. He sees a calibanites sword on Curzes belt and takes it; it's the sword Corswain stabbed Curze in the back with.

 

Redloss and the Dreadwing arrive. The Lion orders them to bring heavy chains to bind Curze.

 

 

 

So glad he was dialed down after Abnetts abomination.

[depthcharge12]

 

 

I'm up to page 331 now, not many pages left, should have the ending for you guys tommorrow.

 

More happenings:

 

 

Redloss wants to use orbital gunfire support to crack open the mountain, but they can't because of sanguinius's orders. They will take casualties if they go into the mountain tunnels, and Curze could escape at the last moment. Redloss proposes using death storm pods, tarantulas, rapier a and a variety of ordnance to seal off the mountain. Then they will deploy dread hammer tanks with void shells to open holes in the mountain. Then assault Rams and drop pods loaded with rad and phosphex will be flown into the breaches. This will render Ilyrium largely uninhabitable for centuries.

 

It will be an orbital assault, which sanguinius had forbade, however it will look like an infantry drop, so they will be able to get away with it. The lion maker one amendment to the plan - when the mountain had been cleansed the Dreadwing will seal the mountain and withdraw. The Lion will then go in alone to hunt Curze.

 

Caliban. Astelan, Galedan and some marines land on one of the transports and take possession of it from the crew. Other groups are taking the rest of the transports. Astelan and Galedan then go to take over Belaths ship, a battle barge. It happens to be Astelans old command ship, that was taken off him after Zaramund.

 

Ultramar. The Dreadwing have done their thing to the mountain. The lion goes in to hunt Curze down. He goes in alone to draw Curze out. Curze will be too tempted to attack him instead of escaping again.

Holguin is with sanguinius, Guilliaman and Valentus dolor. Guilliman is agitated that they have heard nothing in 2 days from Ilyrium. There are also questions from sanguinius and dolor. Holguin is diplomatic.

 

Caliban. Back to the ceremonial feast. Some of Luthers marines are on the balcony above the grand hall. Belaths Warriors are marked with the gold or silver cups signalling their likely allegiance. Belath receives a message that Astelan has seized his ships and reacts badly. Luther tells Belath and his Warriors that it is time Caliban was liberated from the imperium. Belaths is intensely angry. Luther wants to win him and his company round and attempts to convince them through his skilful oratory. Zahariel attempts to subtly psychically sway them to Luthers side using the power of the Ourbourus. Luther uses the example of Prospero in and attempt to convince them the Emperor is a tyrant. Luther also mentions Lokens visit coming to Caliban as a spy for the emperor, and that the lion has gone to macragge to guillimans second empire.

 

It appears Luther has won them over. But Zahariel knows Caliban, or rather the Ourbourus demon, wants conflict, not peaceful resolution. He makes a psychic attack on Belath, a bolt of green lightning that kills Belath instantly. He says he had a vision that Belath was about to attack Luther. He commands them to slay Belaths marines, and everyone opens fire.

 

 

 

And finally, the one we have been waiting for THE LION VS CURZE!!!!! An epic fight with a satisfying outcome!

 

 

Curze suddenly attacks but the Lion is ready for it. He takes a minor wound but curzes attack is turned aside. The lion fires a bolter point blank into curzes chest, forcing him to withdraw to the shadows. Curze strikes several times out of the darkness, but the lion avoids the attacks, using instinctual skill, like he did as a child against the beasts in the forests. He gets a stab in with his blade to curzes torso.

 

More fighting. The lion is getting the better of Curze. He chases him into a temple. They talk a bit. More fighting. Curze then reveals he has Azkaellons hand, with the terminus device still attached and he is going to use it to blow up melta bombs has had lined the temple with. The lion informs him his men were at the temple yesterday and disabled the bombs. Curze is beginning to realise he has been out played! He runs through the temple to escape and gets to the surface. A missile explodes nearby, knocking him into the wall. 3 Dark Angel fire raptors are blocking the way. Curze is angry. He turns and throws himself at the lion. They fight more. Curze is lethal but the lion deflects his attacks, sustaining a few minor injuries.

 

Curze insists the lion can't kill him, because he is destined to die by the hand of an assassin. The lion strikes, stabbing Curze through the forearm pinning him to the wall. Curze pulls his arm free and fights back. The lion has the better of Curze though, grabs him and throws them both down some stairs. He hits Curze in the neck and the head. He asks Curze why he turned. Curze does not know, he is not sane. He puts his sword to curzes throat, to the scar he left at the end of the thramas crusade. Curze wants to die, to be released.

 

The Lion says he will not kill him. He then gives Curze a complete battering, pounding him into the floor, throwing him into the walls, kicking and kneeing him. He rips curzes backpack off his armour. He lifts Curze in the air and pulls him down across his shoulders, breaking his back!!!

 

Curze asks why, the lion says he will not murder him, he will face justice and be executed. The lion breaks curzes Lightning claws off. He sees a calibanites sword on Curzes belt and takes it; it's the sword Corswain stabbed Curze in the back with.

 

Redloss and the Dreadwing arrive. The Lion orders them to bring heavy chains to bind Curze.

 

 

So glad he was dialed down after Abnetts abomination.

Lol now I can go troll the NL community (ok I'm a fan too) that the Lion is the clear better combatant :P

 

Gets rid of all those arguments of "well they equal bruh." My level of special snowflake feeling has risen to Space Wolves level.

[HaSY]

How many warriors did Belath bring to Caliban?

Do you have other info about FireWing especially its specialization?

There is no going back for the Fallen already.

I expect Watchers to do something soon.

I want to read  the book now!

Can you tell what are internal arts in the book? 

[b1soul]

And finally, the one we have been waiting for THE LION VS CURZE!!!!!  An epic fight with a satisfying outcome!

 

 

Curze suddenly attacks but the Lion is ready for it. He takes a minor wound but curzes attack is turned aside. The lion fires a bolter point blank into curzes chest, forcing him to withdraw to the shadows. Curze strikes several times out of the darkness, but the lion avoids the attacks, using instinctual skill, like he did as a child against the beasts in the forests. He gets a stab in with his blade to curzes torso.

More fighting. The lion is getting the better of Curze. He chases him into a temple. They talk a bit. More fighting. Curze then reveals he has Azkaellons hand, with the terminus device still attached and he is going to use it to blow up melta bombs has had lined the temple with. The lion informs him his men were at the temple yesterday and disabled the bombs. Curze is beginning to realise he has been out played! He runs through the temple to escape and gets to the surface. A missile explodes nearby, knocking him into the wall. 3 Dark Angel fire raptors are blocking the way. Curze is angry. He turns and throws himself at the lion. They fight more. Curze is lethal but the lion deflects his attacks, sustaining a few minor injuries.

Curze insists the lion can't kill him, because he is destined to die by the hand of an assassin. The lion strikes, stabbing Curze through the forearm pinning him to the wall. Curze pulls his arm free and fights back. The lion has the better of Curze though, grabs him and throws them both down some stairs. He hits Curze in the neck and the head. He asks Curze why he turned. Curze does not know, he is not sane. He puts his sword to curzes throat, to the scar he left at the end of the thramas crusade. Curze wants to die, to be released.

The Lion says he will not kill him. He then gives Curze a complete battering, pounding him into the floor, throwing him into the walls, kicking and kneeing him. He rips curzes backpack off his armour. He lifts Curze in the air and pulls him down across his shoulders, breaking his back!!!

Curze asks why, the lion says he will not murder him, he will face justice and be executed. The lion breaks curzes Lightning claws off. He sees a calibanites sword on Curzes belt and takes it; it's the sword Corswain stabbed Curze in the back with.

Redloss and the Dreadwing arrive. The Lion orders them to bring heavy chains to bind Curze.

 

 

 

I am honestly surprised that the Lion ends up out-brawling Curze. Savage Weapons sets up Curze as the superior dirty brawler and Prince of Crows doesn't really contradict that

 

[Arkangilos]

Plot fighting.

[DarkChaplain]

Or more like the aforementioned "the Lion has Curze's measure now". He isn't trying to keep up appearances anymore. Nevermind that Curze himself is also said to, you know, trust more in his future-proof protection and doesn't really want to live. So why would he put up so much of a fight when the Lion is the most likely of his brethren to actually do him in and fulfill his wish? Sanguinius wouldn't do it and prove him wrong. Guilliman? No dice.

[HaSY]

Since the first fight, Lion has been consistently studying Curze's strategies and tactics and that's how he cornered him. Even at the beginning of Prince of Crows, Curze also suffered nasty damages that caused him to have coma. You can tell that Lion is getting better and better when he knows what Curze is up to.

[b1soul]

Or more like the aforementioned "the Lion has Curze's measure now". He isn't trying to keep up appearances anymore. Nevermind that Curze himself is also said to, you know, trust more in his future-proof protection and doesn't really want to live. So why would he put up so much of a fight when the Lion is the most likely of his brethren to actually do him in and fulfill his wish? Sanguinius wouldn't do it and prove him wrong. Guilliman? No dice.

I disagree with "Curze doesn't want to live"

 

Plenty of opportunities for Curze to throw himself on the Lion's blade in their fights...never does so...Curze always fights viciously with bad intentions against his opponent.

 

Curze is a vicious, insane killer...he might be more reckless with his life than the likes of Lion, Guilliman etc.

 

...but Curze certainly does not throw fights if that's what you're implying

[DarkChaplain]

 

‘My future cannot be changed, for that is the future, and the future is as dead as the past. You say otherwise. If my conviction is incorrect then you can change it right now. Slay me. I will not hinder you.’

 

He literally offered Sanguinius to kill him. Even with the Lion, as stated above, he begged for it.

[HaSY]

 

 

‘My future cannot be changed, for that is the future, and the future is as dead as the past. You say otherwise. If my conviction is incorrect then you can change it right now. Slay me. I will not hinder you.’

 

He literally offered Sanguinius to kill him. Even with the Lion, as stated above, he begged for it.

 

You have access to the book? Can you finish the spoilers? hehehe

[Kelborn]

 

I'm a bit surprised about Zahariel...like DarkChaplain, I would have thought that he would become one of the founding members of the GK, staying loyal until the end.

 

Though I can imagine why his character has developed in this way, placing the Order/ Orouborus (jezz what a name) above the Lion.

 

Right now, the future Fallen have a fleet, right? Let's see how they will loose it.

 

Lion vs Curze

 

Sounds good but I'm not quite convinced about Curze being imprisoned... that means that we will have yet another clash between them. Getting a bit tired of Curze which I kind of sad. :/

Although I like him being in the spotlight, I would have imagined it in another way, fighting against loyal forces or spreading terror amidst them (like he obviously did) but in another way. At his Legions side or something like that.

 

But still

 

Lion & Curze = still a better love story than twilight :P

 

[b1soul]

 

 

‘My future cannot be changed, for that is the future, and the future is as dead as the past. You say otherwise. If my conviction is incorrect then you can change it right now. Slay me. I will not hinder you.’

He literally offered Sanguinius to kill him. Even with the Lion, as stated above, he begged for it.

Yes...but when Curze is actually throwing blows/fighting, he's doing so to kill...with lethal intent

 

In the Sanguinius fight, Sanguinius would have been killed had he been less skilled or lacked precog

 

...so this new excuse of "whenever Curze loses a fight - it's because he's not trying" is quite silly

 

When Curze isn't begging for release, he's trying to murder you. He's an unhinged killer with mood swings.

 

This explains why Curze doesn't just lower his guard suddenly when he fights the Lion and let himself be cut down. His predatory instincts are still there

[Skalpynock]

I'm resisting the need to build a Dreadwing army, but warp-rift Glaive... gravRaider... phosphex everything...

[Atia]

I'm resisting the need to build a Dreadwing army, but warp-rift Glaive... gravRaider... phosphex everything...

We can just pray that FW will give us some rules for that too :P

[Skalpynock]

 

 

I'm resisting the need to build a Dreadwing army, but warp-rift Glaive... gravRaider... phosphex everything...

We can just pray that FW will give us some rules for that too :P

Failing that, we have IHF, who is a great substitute for patience (I don't want to wait at least a year for Angels fluff!)