DarKnight Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 There's still time for this, but it'd make more sense to me to tie the corruption of Caliban into Lion El'Jonson's time in the forest before he was found by Luther. Kinda a head canon/story idea if I ever write for BL but I think the Lion dosen't speak about his "childhood" because being dropped alone in the middle of the forest actually made HIM a great beast (basically Curze but in the woods), and he killed Calibanites before Luther and the other members of the Order rode out to kill him not knowing what he was. Now according to AD-B (I don't know if this was discussed with all the BL writers or if this was just a detail he decided to add) but Chaos expected him to turn against the Emperor, I'm guessing due to all of his childhood being exposed to Chaos. Now Luther knows the truth of his childhood and keeps it to himself/reveals it to the Inner Circle and their banishment on Caliban and now knowledge of what Chaos is/its effect on Caliban/Horus' rebellion makes THEM think they are doing the right thing in turning against their Chaos tainted Primarch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/7/#findComment-4416565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhavoc Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 At the end of "Fallen Angels" I want Luther to be sort of a tragic hero. He knows something is horribly wrong on Caliban. He knows(?) the Lion may be involved in it. He feels the only way to stop it and preserve Caliban is to become that which he has been taught to hate, a Chaos Sorcerer, hoping to use the blessings of the Chaos gods against them. Bites off more than he can chew and falls. Final epic battle with The Lion (aka Luke Skywalker/Darth Vader) where Luther turns at the end to good. Defeat of the Chaos gods, but too late to save Caliban from the madness and destruction. Tragedy and Despair, but also hope of Redemption. Cue music! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/7/#findComment-4416573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 At the end of "Fallen Angels" I want Luther to be sort of a tragic hero. He knows something is horribly wrong on Caliban. He knows(?) the Lion may be involved in it. He feels the only way to stop it and preserve Caliban is to become that which he has been taught to hate, a Chaos Sorcerer, hoping to use the blessings of the Chaos gods against them. Bites off more than he can chew and falls. Final epic battle with The Lion (aka Luke Skywalker/Darth Vader) where Luther turns at the end to good. Defeat of the Chaos gods, but too late to save Caliban from the madness and destruction. Tragedy and Despair, but also hope of Redemption. Cue music! Has the "using bad guys evil powers against them" trope EVER worked? lol I guess it's desperation Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/7/#findComment-4416574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhavoc Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Yet if you read History, it's been tried over and over again Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/7/#findComment-4416578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Yet if you read History, it's been tried over and over again . "Those who study History are doomed to laugh thier off when it is repeated" Give me a quick example Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/7/#findComment-4416581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhavoc Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Julius Ceasar becoming Emperor in order to "Preserve the Republic" from corruption. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/7/#findComment-4416584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Julius Ceasar becoming Emperor in order to "Preserve the Republic" from corruption. Not getting too off topic and I guess we'll never know, but I believe he didn't really believe that lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/7/#findComment-4416586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhavoc Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 You're right! The whole Emperor vs. Horus thing is more Biblical than this. But it goes to the point that usually in these sort of things, EVERYBODY is utterly convinced that they are the ones doing the right thing. I want to see Luther as tragic, not evil. He is fighting to preserve Caliban, not the Imperium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/7/#findComment-4416593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biscuittzz Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Considering Autek Mor is leading 1/6 or the remaining Iron Hands on a mission that involves slamming moons into traitor planets I think Medusons little band of friends is getting way more credit than they deserve. "Slamming moons into traitor planets" 10/10 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/7/#findComment-4416608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
drooling blood Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Julius Ceasar becoming Emperor in order to "Preserve the Republic" from corruption. Ultramarine infestation detected. Â I was wondering how long it would take to insert Ultra power into the thread. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/7/#findComment-4416613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhavoc Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Since currently the Dark Angels are on Ultramar, not long Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/7/#findComment-4416618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
drooling blood Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 I dont know who youve been talking to. But the Dark Angels are on Caliban. Never mind those treacherous currs the first legion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/7/#findComment-4416633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhavoc Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Dark Angels/Knights of Caliban who are the Real heroes of the story. Â I am Sparticus! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/7/#findComment-4416638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedarkprincesnun Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Â Â At the end of "Fallen Angels" I want Luther to be sort of a tragic hero. He knows something is horribly wrong on Caliban. He knows(?) the Lion may be involved in it. He feels the only way to stop it and preserve Caliban is to become that which he has been taught to hate, a Chaos Sorcerer, hoping to use the blessings of the Chaos gods against them. Bites off more than he can chew and falls. Final epic battle with The Lion (aka Luke Skywalker/Darth Vader) where Luther turns at the end to good. Defeat of the Chaos gods, but too late to save Caliban from the madness and destruction. Tragedy and Despair, but also hope of Redemption. Cue music! Has the "using bad guys evil powers against them" trope EVER worked? lol I guess it's desperationIt hasn't at least in one episode of charmed where one of the sisters lost her powers so she stole some demonic ones to kill demons who were threatening her nephew and her sisters lives Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/7/#findComment-4416796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhavoc Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Yay! A fellow early morning TV fan! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/7/#findComment-4416803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedarkprincesnun Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Who lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/7/#findComment-4416823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 To be frank...a lot of these retcons are inferior to the original lore  Deliverance Lost in particular, that was incredibad Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/7/#findComment-4417087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 To be frank...a lot of these retcons are inferior to the original lore  Deliverance Lost in particular, that was incredibad QFT Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/7/#findComment-4417404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Don't know why I just noticed this, but as far as the artwork on the cover I HATE that depiction of Konrad Curze's armor. In 'Savage Weapons' we know that the claws on his armor are on his fingers much like Kor Phaeron's. Maybe FW was unable to replicate it in a way that was feasible, and I'm sure we'll hear "He has multiple marks of armor he's a Primarch etc." whatever. That's not how Curze looks AND THE LION IS NOT BLONDEÂ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/7/#findComment-4419381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roomsky Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Don't know why I just noticed this, but as far as the artwork on the cover I HATE that depiction of Konrad Curze's armor. In 'Savage Weapons' we know that the claws on his armor are on his fingers much like Kor Phaeron's. Maybe FW was unable to replicate it in a way that was feasible, and I'm sure we'll hear "He has multiple marks of armor he's a Primarch etc." whatever. That's not how Curze looks AND THE LION IS NOT BLONDEÂ Â Hasn't all his artwork been blonde for years? Or at least very light brown. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/7/#findComment-4419465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I don't think he's been depicted too often art wise by offical BL sources, feel free to prove me wrong Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/7/#findComment-4419521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roomsky Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Only one I can think of is the illustration that was in Descent of Angels. Obviously not coloured, but it certainly seems bright enough. Â He looked ambiguously bright-haired in Deathfire as well, though that was Neil Roberts' work too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/7/#findComment-4419531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Only one I can think of is the illustration that was in Descent of Angels. Obviously not coloured, but it certainly seems bright enough. Â He looked ambiguously bright-haired in Deathfire as well, though that was Neil Roberts' work too. You're right, he did look light haired in that picture (horrible haircut lol) I wonder why it's so hard/authors and artists don't make sure these depictions aren't the same. maybe I'm just nitpicking Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/7/#findComment-4419543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I've always thought the Lion was blonde. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/7/#findComment-4419575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 With all these loyalist centred novels that the Night Lords appear in it really makes me wish they would finally get their own actual novel (preferably by ADB) which solely is about them and their actions in the Hereay and not just the incompetent super villains they seem to be portrayed as in a few novels. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/7/#findComment-4419710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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