Roomsky Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 With all these loyalist centred novels that the Night Lords appear in it really makes me wish they would finally get their own actual novel (preferably by ADB) which solely is about them and their actions in the Hereay and not just the incompetent super villains they seem to be portrayed as in a few novels. Makes me wish Nightfall wasn't face down in a pool of it's own blood. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/8/#findComment-4419727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saphrael Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 With all these loyalist centred novels that the Night Lords appear in it really makes me wish they would finally get their own actual novel (preferably by ADB) which solely is about them and their actions in the Hereay and not just the incompetent super villains they seem to be portrayed as in a few novels. An entire 40k trilogy and supporting short stories penned by--arguably--Black Library's best current author? I think the Night Lords are doing just fine. Spread the ADB love I say. I'd also argue the NL come across as one of the better traitor legions in the Heresy, but that's just opinion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/8/#findComment-4419873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Being that real Lions are blonde (right?!) then it makes sense he is blonde too so he has his lions mane. That said I did always imagine his brooding character to have black hair covering his face to mimic his grumpy mood! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/8/#findComment-4419887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 So the Lion actually lifted Curze up and performed a WWE style back breaker a la Russ vs. Magnus Thorpe giving the DA fans some love Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/8/#findComment-4420084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 He went Bane on the Batman. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/8/#findComment-4420086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 He went Bane on the Batman. Too perfect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/8/#findComment-4420317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 He went Bane on the Batman. 0 to 100...real quick Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/8/#findComment-4420496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaSY Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 ''Ah, yes... I was wondering what would break first...'' ''Your spirit or your body?'' ''... then you have my permission to die." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/8/#findComment-4420513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saphrael Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Thorpe giving the DA fans some love I would trade every moment of 'love' we've ever gotten from Thorpe in a heartbeat to be able to undo all the novels he's written on DA and let someone else have a crack. I can't really judge without having read Angels of Caliban, but at this stage I'd say the Lion going savage and breaking Curze's back sounds awful. ADB went out of his way in Savage Weapons to show the Lion as the more skilled fighter and Curze as the better, more brutal brawler (didn't you point this out earlier in the thread b1soul?). ADB said this was his intention and this is consistent with every depiction we've ever had of the Lion (e.g. Lion vs. Russ). As ever with Thorpe, any 'love' he gives is a poisoned chalice. See the abomination that is the deus ex machina device 'Tuchulcha' as well as a veritable cavalcade of bollocks that's been well documented elsewhere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/8/#findComment-4420836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 At this point it is just nice to see Kurze get it handed to him. He got a lot of love in UE. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/8/#findComment-4420917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDrake28 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 I always thought of the Lion as a brutal warrior hiding behind a noble facade. This shows him letting loose a bit and I love it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/8/#findComment-4421098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 I would genuinely be happy if every primarch fight ended in an OTT backbreaker. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/8/#findComment-4421141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Thorpe giving the DA fans some love I would trade every moment of 'love' we've ever gotten from Thorpe in a heartbeat to be able to undo all the novels he's written on DA and let someone else have a crack. I can't really judge without having read Angels of Caliban, but at this stage I'd say the Lion going savage and breaking Curze's back sounds awful. ADB went out of his way in Savage Weapons to show the Lion as the more skilled fighter and Curze as the better, more brutal brawler (didn't you point this out earlier in the thread b1soul?). ADB said this was his intention and this is consistent with every depiction we've ever had of the Lion (e.g. Lion vs. Russ). As ever with Thorpe, any 'love' he gives is a poisoned chalice. See the abomination that is the deus ex machina device 'Tuchulcha' as well as a veritable cavalcade of bollocks that's been well documented elsewhere. I don't know how AD-B feels about this, I assume it's similar since in Savage Weapons the Lion tells Curze how close he thought they were due to their upbringings, but I think the Lion is just as savage as Curze but his upbringing in the order and iron discipline, helps him mask it. I think the Lion was a Great Beast of Caliban before Luther found him TBH Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/8/#findComment-4421328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Thorpe giving the DA fans some love I would trade every moment of 'love' we've ever gotten from Thorpe in a heartbeat to be able to undo all the novels he's written on DA and let someone else have a crack. I can't really judge without having read Angels of Caliban, but at this stage I'd say the Lion going savage and breaking Curze's back sounds awful. ADB went out of his way in Savage Weapons to show the Lion as the more skilled fighter and Curze as the better, more brutal brawler (didn't you point this out earlier in the thread b1soul?). ADB said this was his intention and this is consistent with every depiction we've ever had of the Lion (e.g. Lion vs. Russ). As ever with Thorpe, any 'love' he gives is a poisoned chalice. See the abomination that is the deus ex machina device 'Tuchulcha' as well as a veritable cavalcade of bollocks that's been well documented elsewhere. I think the Lion should be like Drizzt ... not necessarily a savage hiding behind a knightly facade But a knight with a repressed inner savage Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/8/#findComment-4421905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaSY Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Think of this. While Lion may observe certain traditions and honours in a fight, it still does not prevent him from throwing few sucker punches or chopping a head off. Even Sanguinius can control his rage far better than Lion. Everything till now point Lion as a beast trapped in a body. Contrary, he is not that as dogmatic or black & white minded as you would have believed.That's what happen when Watchers in the Dark raise him Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/8/#findComment-4421969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarKnight Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Why the heck is this releasing on Saturday? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/8/#findComment-4422263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 How the heck do you lot know so much about the story when it's only being released on Saturday? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/8/#findComment-4422447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 How the heck do you lot know so much about the story when it's only being released on Saturday?I guess you just skimmed the first post? My sister went to the London comic com yesterday, I asked her to swing by the forge world stand for me to see if they had anything on pre-release. Lo and behold, they had Angels of Caliban for sale Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/8/#findComment-4422480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhavoc Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Luther raised The Lion as a son. He prevented the Knights of Caliban from killing him outright. In return he got banished to Caliban and assigned a training mission. While there, he found a Terran Chaos conspiracy as well as several abuses (by Terrans) of Imperial power. Maybe he had cause to suspect The Emperor an The Lion both and take steps to defend Caliban? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/8/#findComment-4422600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Yeah. Banished for no reason. Other than showing that he held his loyalty cheap by almost allowing a nuclear bomb to destroy his supposed beloved "son". By having to much pride to inform the the Lion that he failed at keeping the planet under control. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/8/#findComment-4422964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allart01 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Just started this. Damn, the Lion verbally kicking Horus in chapter I was sooooo good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/8/#findComment-4423083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhavoc Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Key word, Almost. He didn't betray The Lion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/8/#findComment-4423320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Imagine if a security member of a presidential (who is next in line in this scenario) detail was like "hmmmmm...it could be min....all mine" i think forced retirement would be too lenient regardless of whether he changed his mind at the the eleventh hour. Plus I think he only changed cause he got caught by Zhariel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/8/#findComment-4423465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allart01 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Luther IS a traitor. A traitor with his own reasons, which you could or could not agree with. But a traitor nevertheless, plotting at the back of his friend and Primarch, bearing resentment and consciously swaying people to his own ends. There is little do debate, IMHO. Ps: "theoretically shut up or I'll practically punch you in the face" man I love the Lion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/8/#findComment-4423477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhavoc Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 A moments hesitation breeds a lifetime of Heresy? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/322826-angels-of-caliban-spoilers/page/8/#findComment-4423486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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