Morticon Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Okay, so...after much deliberation and some inspiration from this forum thanks to the "BA competitive" thread, I figured I'd put my money where my mouth is (at least to some degree). I was going to be rocking an absolutely disgustingly hardcore DA list (that i posted here-> http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323263-2500-da-double-demi/ That was meant to just mop up everyone, but am eschewing raw power for a little more fluff and theme and BA glory. I love the Double Demi formations and the bonuses and benefits that come with it, but alas, BA are just not near that in terms of competitiveness. So, ive decided to do what I said in the a fore mentioned thread, and take some key BA units, along with the core double demi so it looks and plays like BA, but with some added and much needed punch. Here's what i'm looking at: 1x BA Chaplain (WL) - JP, Auspex, Veritas1x DA Master - JP, Uber-Mace, Artificer Armour 1x DA Chaplain - JP, Auspex1x Damocles Rhino 1x DA Dread - MM, HF __Pod 1x DA Dread - MM__Pod 8x DC - JP, Fist, Pwr Maul 1x BA Cassor The Damned __Pod 5x BA - Scouts (CCW)5x DA - Scouts (Bolters or Shotguns) 5x DA - Tacticals - MG, Cmbi-Melta __Pod 5x DA - Tacticals - MG, Cmbi-Melta __Pod 5x DA - Tacticals - GG, Cmbi-Grav __Pod 5x DA - Tacticals - GG __Razorback - TLPG, LC 5x DA - Tacticals - MG __Razorback - TLPG, LC 5x DA - Tacticals - Flmr __Razorback - TLPG, LC 5x DA - Assault - 2 Flmr__Pod10x DA - Assault- JP, 2Flmr, Veteran, Fist5x DA - Devastators - 2GC__Rhino5x DA - Devastators - 2GC__Rhino1x BA Scorpios Whirlwind - Ignore Cover Relic Biggest threats will be Nigel (though he will hate this list with a burning passion), Sid - who will have 4 Wraith Knights on field and then Ali, who will have monster Tau. Your thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323404-road-to-veterans-2016/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 I don't ever want to see that across from me. How are you planning on running the Characters? With the DC? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323404-road-to-veterans-2016/#findComment-4426577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted June 22, 2016 Author Share Posted June 22, 2016 Plan on running the DA chappy with the big assault squad, and then the BA chappy with DC. Master will go in one of the other situation dependent. (also, if you think this is bad, should have seen the DA one ><; was hideous) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323404-road-to-veterans-2016/#findComment-4426582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Sounds like a reasonable set out. And yeah. I looked at the other list, and something deep in my lower intestine tried to die on me :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323404-road-to-veterans-2016/#findComment-4426612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted June 24, 2016 Author Share Posted June 24, 2016 So, I'm currently still tweaking. I'm thinking of running a Sanguinary Priest instead of the Chaplain -reason being i dont need a Chaplain anymore because i'm not running two relics like i wanted to - and i'd like the BA theme! The issue here is that the DA jumpers dont gain the benefit of the Chalice, while the DC dont gain the benefit of the narthecium. So, it feels like a waste. Having said that, I dont need two regular DA dreads, so, i'm more than happy to drop it (and the Damocles) and put in something else. I'm wanting to include more BA-ness into the list. I think a double-demi is strong enough to manage with most things, so, I dont mind the games being tighter if i can stick to a cool BA theme. Part of me is also thinking about making the other squad jumpers too! Or even a squad of Sang Guard (though, the SG kinda annoy me with how easily they go down :/ ) Thoughts? Ideas?I have up to around 200 points to play with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323404-road-to-veterans-2016/#findComment-4428011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 No Inquisitor with skulls to mitigate any blasts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323404-road-to-veterans-2016/#findComment-4428016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted June 24, 2016 Author Share Posted June 24, 2016 No Inquisitor with skulls to mitigate any blasts? Not a bad idea. Can easily work that in. Can also go Corts as per usual, but i'm wanting to fluff out/up the BA side of things. Maybe a Baal? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323404-road-to-veterans-2016/#findComment-4428031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Do you even have one? When was the last time you actually fielded a Baal? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323404-road-to-veterans-2016/#findComment-4428034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Other than that, the redundancy in the list is insane. However, I don't feel you have enough concentrated firepower to take down four WK or a bunch of Tau stuff. Not concerned about Tristan this year? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323404-road-to-veterans-2016/#findComment-4428038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted June 24, 2016 Author Share Posted June 24, 2016 Do you even have one? When was the last time you actually fielded a Baal? ><; have three. Last time was ages and ages ago. For same price i can get a sicaran :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323404-road-to-veterans-2016/#findComment-4428039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted June 24, 2016 Author Share Posted June 24, 2016 Other than that, the redundancy in the list is insane. However, I don't feel you have enough concentrated firepower to take down four WK or a bunch of Tau stuff. Not concerned about Tristan this year? Good players are always a concern. He's not playing an uber power list, but has instead gone for a very, very strong, balanced and full comp Sallies list. This list has what it takes to counter his, although it will be a far greater battle than the DA list, but it is "doable". Because of that, its less of a concern than other lists where i will not only require luck on my side, but will need to play out of my skin. With the list + player combo, he will be one of the top placing peeps in the tourney. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323404-road-to-veterans-2016/#findComment-4428043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 What's your comp score, etc, with this list? I recall the DA premise was to "let someone else win, but to make them work for it". Are you in danger of winning with this one provided the stars align, etc? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323404-road-to-veterans-2016/#findComment-4428047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted June 24, 2016 Author Share Posted June 24, 2016 What's your comp score, etc, with this list? I recall the DA premise was to "let someone else win, but to make them work for it". Are you in danger of winning with this one provided the stars align, etc? Comp score is 0. In the last 6 Veteran's no one with a comp score below 80% has placed in the top 3. Even Bernard who got highest battle points/best general came 5th or so because of comp. Its unlikely I will place top 5. However, it seems that a few more players than usual are taking "fun" power lists - and just going yolo power lists. If these power lists upset the key big players with high comp (like Nigel and Tristan), then things may open up. But, considering a 100% win is "only" 36 points (and thats tough to get), and considering that comp is 60 points, you have to "lose" a few game to balance it out. And i think that those players are unlikely to lose hardcore in many (if any) games Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323404-road-to-veterans-2016/#findComment-4428277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted June 24, 2016 Author Share Posted June 24, 2016 Thoughts on the following. It loses a the chappy, a da dread and the damocles as well as 2 DA jumpers and then picks up the Priest, and a van vet squad for a total of 24 (3x8) jumper squads. Priest goes with the vanvets. EDIT: made some tweaks 1x BA Priest (WL) - JP, Veritas, Maul, BP (106)1x DA Master - JP, Uber-Mace, Artificer Armour (155) 1x DA Chaplain - JP, Auspex (110) 1x DA Dread - MM, HF (110) __Pod 8x DC - JP, Fist, Pwr Maul (224) 8x Van Vets - Maul,Sword, Fist (231) 1x BA Cassor The Damned (175) __Pod 5x BA - Scouts (CCW) (55)5x DA - Scouts (Bolters or Shotguns) (55) 5x DA - Tacticals - MG, Cmbi-Melta (90) __Pod 5x DA - Tacticals - MG, Cmbi-Melta (90) __Pod 5x DA - Tacticals - GG, Cmbi-Grav (95) __Pod 5x DA - Tacticals - GG (105) __Razorback - TLPG, LC 5x DA - Tacticals - MG (100) __Razorback - TLPG, LC 5x DA - Tacticals - Flmr (95) __Razorback - TLPG, LC 5x DA - Assault - 2 Flmr (80)__Pod8x DA - Assault- JP, 2Flmr, Veteran, Fist (181)5x DA - Devastators - 2GC (140)__Rhino5x DA - Devastators - 2GC (140)__Pod1x BA Scorpios Whirlwind - Ignore Cover Relic (160) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323404-road-to-veterans-2016/#findComment-4428384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 Made some tweaks. Just gotta model and paint up the Scorpios and a few models, and we're good to go. Will get pics up, and maybe some pre-tourney batreps up too.its not as strong as the original, but with 83 Wounds, and 43 Hull Points at 2500, it should be a tough match up for anyone! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323404-road-to-veterans-2016/#findComment-4428976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted June 27, 2016 Author Share Posted June 27, 2016 Had a test game vs a really cool chaos list today. He was rocking: Slaughter Cult and Chaos Marine CAD with: Uber Jugger lord D-axe Thirster Herald with thirster axe Lord with cmbi-melta/melta bomb 15 Hounds 2x 8 letters 2x 10 Cultists 1x 20 Cultists 2x Drakes 1x 5 possessed in rhino with legacy of ruin 1x Nurgle Daemon Prince lvl 2, wings, mace 1x Forge Fiend 1x Skyshield -ready for take off Love the way the list played. Had some pretty crappy rolling and forgot some vet rules, but the resiliency and options available for this list are incredible. i've realised that i'm super weak with anti-air, so will see how goes with a few more play tests. If its too weak, may look at a Sarosh Sicaran. Game ended with 27-2 (Me getting primary; 16-14 maelstrom, and secondary; full score. Didnt play tertiary missions because we forgot about it ><; ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323404-road-to-veterans-2016/#findComment-4430303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted June 28, 2016 Author Share Posted June 28, 2016 Played two more test games today -this time with a Sarosh Sicaran. Was very, very good. The sicaran is a solid workhorse, but the beast that is the scorpios was missed Not sold either way yet. First game was vs Grey Knights, second game vs BT. Both really exciting. Will get up some pics. I'm absolutely loving the jumpy squads!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323404-road-to-veterans-2016/#findComment-4431058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted June 28, 2016 Author Share Posted June 28, 2016 The BSF with min troops (5scouts + Cassor) is amazing for freeing up the jumpy BA squads. I'm actually contemplating losing the DA dread and moving the DA assault marines back into a Razor and minning them, so i can max a BA jumpy squad instead. Will lose a little pod madness, but....the chargey goodness ><; Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323404-road-to-veterans-2016/#findComment-4431166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Good stuff! Definitely try and max out a BA squad, that's what we're here for after all Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323404-road-to-veterans-2016/#findComment-4431253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted June 29, 2016 Author Share Posted June 29, 2016 Latest tweaks: 1x BA Priest (WL) - JP, Veritas, Maul, BP (106)1x DA Master - JP, Uber-Mace, Artificer Armour, Auspex (160) 1x DA Chaplain - JP (110) 8x DC - JP, Fist, Pwr Axe (224) 8x Van Vets - Maul,Axe, Fist (231) 1x BA Cassor The Damned (175) __Pod 5x BA - Scouts (CCW) (55)5x DA - Scouts (Bolters or Shotguns) (55) 5x DA - Tacticals - MG, Cmbi-Melta (90) __Pod 5x DA - Tacticals - MG, Cmbi-Melta (90) __Pod 5x DA - Tacticals - GG, Cmbi-Grav (95) __Pod 5x DA - Tacticals - GG (105) __Razorback - TLPG, LC 5x DA - Tacticals - MG (100) __Razorback - TLPG, LC 5x DA - Tacticals - Flmr (95) __Razorback - TLPG, LC 5x DA - Assault - 2 Flmr (80)__Pod5x DA - Assault - 2 Flmr (100)__Razorback - TLPG, LC8x BA - Assault- JP, 2Melta, Veteran, Fist (191)5x DA - Devastators - 2GC (140)__Rhino5x DA - Devastators - 2GC (140)__Rhino1x BA Scorpios Whirlwind - Ignore Cover Relic (160) or BA Sicaran - Sarosh (160) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323404-road-to-veterans-2016/#findComment-4431387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Rat Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Well its the best tournament in RSA again.With all the love SM's have been getting,my Porks feel like the unwanted red headed step child. Ive been looking at Morticons list which has been giving me sleepless nights. Im coming with a fully comp list so will start with a + - 60 point start on him. No doubt I will be looking over my shoulder from round 1 onwards. Here's my list. Warboss. mega armour,cyborg bp ,pk lucky stik Painboy,bike Mad Doc Warboss,bike pk,finkin cap,bp,pk,cyborg Mek,killsaw,kombi skorcha 30 boys nob bp,pk eavy armour 30 boys,nob,bp.pk,eavy armour 10 gretch,runtherd 10 gretch,runtherd 15 kommandos,Snikrot,nob,pk,bp,2 burnas 15 tankbustas,nob,pk,bp,2 tankhammers 3 bomb squigs 15 lootas, 3 meks,2 killsaws 15 bikes,nob,pk,bp 3 deff koptas, 2 killsaws 2 tractor guns,2 ammo runts,2 extra crew Aegis defence line and coms relay. With only 14 kill points I need to get Morticon in a kill point mission ,otherwise Im toast,or I have to play out of my skin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323404-road-to-veterans-2016/#findComment-4431664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Well the BA Scouts are certainly more viable :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323404-road-to-veterans-2016/#findComment-4431767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Well the BA Scouts are certainly more viable Sadly his BA Scouts and Dreadnoughts will be "as Codex" for this event as they aren't using the draft FAQs... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323404-road-to-veterans-2016/#findComment-4431768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted June 30, 2016 Author Share Posted June 30, 2016 http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb447/Brindleysa/Dork%20Stuff-%20Fun%20Stuff/IMG_20160628_121459_zpsuuqzxnl0.jpgThe pic above is of my forces missioning up to secure as much of the board while the enemy was off table. (Nemesis Strike Force). There's quite a lot of board presence with this list! He had only deployed this: http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb447/Brindleysa/Dork%20Stuff-%20Fun%20Stuff/IMG_20160628_121504_zps6aifteib.jpg Problem was, that as things came down, things got shot up and charged and taken out. http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb447/Brindleysa/Dork%20Stuff-%20Fun%20Stuff/IMG_20160628_131954_zpsuiohsigq.jpg The Sarosh Sicaran was the nastiest, taking out the raven when it arrived:http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb447/Brindleysa/Dork%20Stuff-%20Fun%20Stuff/IMG_20160628_132004_zpsskynskae.jpgIt then died that turn, but had served its purpose. As his army came down, and took a shot or two, it then go nailed in return. http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb447/Brindleysa/Dork%20Stuff-%20Fun%20Stuff/IMG_20160628_135515_zpsdj77qf60.jpgBy turn 5, he had 1 model left on the board. Good play test run! The game after that was almost as bad! Think I tabled him by 5th as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323404-road-to-veterans-2016/#findComment-4432271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slothysaur Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 I see a rhino painted like a cow. New inspiration, *grabs brushes* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323404-road-to-veterans-2016/#findComment-4432455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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