Phiasco Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 With the faq out I guess it's now time to start looking forward to the nebulas campaign we're rumored to get sometime. That being said, I think it'd be fun to imagine ways we could get some uniqueness back into our chosen chapter. Just a fun discussion about things, old or new, that could happen. For example, I would love for us to be the 'frag' chapter. DA are the plasma boys, Salamanders are out Flammer Template brethren, Vanilla rocks the grav, why couldn't we be frag? To me frag weapons seem to basically be shotguns on steroids. They get the job done up close and personal, in an extremely brutal and bloody manor. Add in the concept that BA are artificers of the highest caliber, and you have a wonderful dichotomy that perfectly exemplifies our chapter. Masterly crafted weapons that are works of art in and of themselves which brutally rip through and tear apart the enemies of the Imperium in a horrific shower of blood and gore. Could there be a better metaphor for the Sons of Sanguinius? With the Death Watch frag cannon as an example for the rules they'd have, I think it'd be easy enough to have rules for frag pistols, frag guns, frag cannons, and heavy frag cannons (for our tanks and dreadnoughts). Anyways, that's just my first thought of something fun and fluffy that could give us some unique flavor. Not overpowered or overly wishlisty, just fun to imagine. What else is out there that could be fun and fluffy for us? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323568-blood-angel-flavor-discussions/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Frag cannon sponsons on Land Raiders? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323568-blood-angel-flavor-discussions/#findComment-4431782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Frags are sloppy. I'd prefer flame (we have access to more flame than everyone else) or more melee. And more assault cannons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323568-blood-angel-flavor-discussions/#findComment-4431785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0nolith Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Well, being that were the "assault cannon" Legion in 30k, why couldn't this tradition continue 10 thousand years into the future? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323568-blood-angel-flavor-discussions/#findComment-4431786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phiasco Posted June 29, 2016 Author Share Posted June 29, 2016 @Jolomei That'd be pretty cool. It makes me imagine green skins simply bursting apart as opposed to being burnt away by flamers. Also, be it about flame weapons or assault cannons, this is just supposed to be about fun fluffy discussion, so come up with your own stuff and share it with us. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323568-blood-angel-flavor-discussions/#findComment-4431787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Fists also get access to the assault cannon in 30k. I dunno. We get Angelus boltguns with their shatter shells, frag cannons. This might be our thing, like hell frost is a space wolf thing. A template weapon had limited applications, though, so maybe that's why they had the option for a solid slug. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323568-blood-angel-flavor-discussions/#findComment-4431828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sockwithaticket Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Frag cannon sponsons on Land Raiders? This guy know's what's up. Frag Cannon Mortis Dreadnought? Just imagine drop podding four templates worth of rending death, it'd be unnecessarily over the top in the best way. I'd actually quite like it if marines could carry the Astartes Grenade Launcher scout bikes get. Super useful weapon for assualt squads I'd have thought and would bolster the 'masters of short ranged firefights' thing. Would need some tweaks, though. 24" rapid fire isn't great. 12" relentless is better. Maybe swap Krak grenades for concussive ones, target suffers -1 weapon skill or is reduced to initative 1 if they fail a pinning test. Something like that so it can augment an assault. Also Heavy Chainswords (AP 4 Str 5) and Eviscerators everywhere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323568-blood-angel-flavor-discussions/#findComment-4431846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Frag cannon sponsons on Land Raiders?This guy know's what's up. In case anyone is interested, frag cannon Land Raider sponsons can be seen on this thread. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323568-blood-angel-flavor-discussions/#findComment-4431852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Fists also get access to the assault cannon in 30k. Not to the level we do - they just get it on terminator squads. Frag cannon sponsons on Land Raiders?This guy know's what's up. In case anyone is interested, frag cannon Land Raider sponsons can be seen on this thread. Twin linked, just like I wanted.... Personally though, when I think BA, two images come to mind and the are both funnily enough summed up by the 30k Rites of War: Day of Revelation Angels of Fury depending upon high wielding the fire and the flame to exterminate all before them. None can stay thier wrath. They decimate all before them and none can best thier precision and ferocity. Day of Sorrow The Last Stand. No one will fight harder to the last man. With red-hot vengeance we will do our duty and when the odds seem insurmountable, we will still ensure the destruction of our foe, even if it means our own end. ==== Feed into those and you have a winner. Game terms though? Elites choice priests again, OR perhaps how an Ironhands detachment can take Extra Tech marines, we get extra priests per other HQ! Some sort of fighter that uses frag rounds against the air and ground. Could double as a chaffe launcher sort of thing. Whatever the cross between a land speeder storm and a Stormraven is. AV11 Transport for marines to deep strike on. Assault Vehicle. Potentially it is just a sort of harness for up to ten Jump Infantry that takes them into the atmosphere so they can all deep strike with precision together? It'll probably be shaped like wings, knowing GW. Frag Cannon get infantry use and use on other vehicles (twin linked one on a Baal Pred please?) Reclusiarch plz Rhino with an assault ramp. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323568-blood-angel-flavor-discussions/#findComment-4431867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Nightman Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 It seems like they are almost afraid to give us stuff like "3 priests for 1 slot" or "can take extra this if you take that" type of stuff. They must have really thought we were op in 5th and want to avoid that as much as possible while giving other marines all the stuff... I would like gw to follow fw rules wise. Those types of rules charlo mentioned above already given by fw are better/fluffier than anything I think we've had in a long time.... So I'm with charlo on this! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323568-blood-angel-flavor-discussions/#findComment-4431877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Yeah, I forgot about the Blood Shard rounds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323568-blood-angel-flavor-discussions/#findComment-4431880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 It seems like they are almost afraid to give us stuff like "3 priests for 1 slot" or "can take extra this if you take that" type of stuff. They must have really thought we were op in 5th and want to avoid that as much as possible while giving other marines all the stuff... Perhaps. But have you seen the Iron Hands formation? Everyone within 12" of any independent character has a 5+ FNP. Essentially the entire army has it :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323568-blood-angel-flavor-discussions/#findComment-4431886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon Nightman Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 It seems like they are almost afraid to give us stuff like "3 priests for 1 slot" or "can take extra this if you take that" type of stuff. They must have really thought we were op in 5th and want to avoid that as much as possible while giving other marines all the stuff... Perhaps. But have you seen the Iron Hands formation? Everyone within 12" of any independent character has a 5+ FNP. Essentially the entire army has it :( Which makes me think of 2 reasons: 1. Gw hates BA ( I really really doubt this) 2. They think we are really good and giving us those types of benefits will put us over the top I really see no other reasons why. Maybe a BA player really beeps beep up at the gw offices? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323568-blood-angel-flavor-discussions/#findComment-4431890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teetengee Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Close vicious assaults, death from above, and fine craftsmanship. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323568-blood-angel-flavor-discussions/#findComment-4431908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paikis Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Melta. We're the melta chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323568-blood-angel-flavor-discussions/#findComment-4431958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Frags are sloppy. I'd prefer flame (we have access to more flame than everyone else) or more melee. And more assault cannons. Hmm, the Smurfs put extra lascannons on a Land Raider, how about we put more assault cannons on one. Baal Pattern Land Raider: armed with assaault cannon sponsons, a TL assault cannon and frag assault launchers. Gets upgrades like the LRC. Transport Capacity 12. 250 pts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323568-blood-angel-flavor-discussions/#findComment-4431960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoridon Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 I see us as the Jump 'n Charge chapter. My plan is to have my combat focused units as Blood Angels (the majority) and the shooty stuff as Imperial Fists allies (the support role). A BA Devastator squad just doesn't feel right to me; I'm sure they'd rather drop the missile launcher, draw their combat knife, strap on a fallen brother's jump pack and CHARGE. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323568-blood-angel-flavor-discussions/#findComment-4431965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Frags are sloppy. I'd prefer flame (we have access to more flame than everyone else) or more melee. And more assault cannons. Hmm, the Smurfs put extra lascannons on a Land Raider, how about we put more assault cannons on one. Baal Pattern Land Raider: armed with assaault cannon sponsons, a TL assault cannon and frag assault launchers. Gets upgrades like the LRC. Transport Capacity 12. 250 pts. Put the Twin Frag Cannon in the hull and you got a deal! Hell, Quad Assault cannons in the sponsons, they can do it with heavy bolters! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323568-blood-angel-flavor-discussions/#findComment-4432043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phiasco Posted June 29, 2016 Author Share Posted June 29, 2016 ^^ I like it :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323568-blood-angel-flavor-discussions/#findComment-4432108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Yeah. We are basically the king of assault cannons in 30k, it would make sense Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323568-blood-angel-flavor-discussions/#findComment-4432166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Yeah. We are basically the king of assault cannons in 30k, it would make sense Isn't the XII at least as good at CC? As for favourite flavour, jumping and charging was how Ward drew me to the BA. I wish we could do an all jumpers army again (without sacrificing the benefits of detachments). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323568-blood-angel-flavor-discussions/#findComment-4432217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Yeah. We are basically the king of assault cannons in 30k, it would make senseIsn't the XII at least as good at CC? As for favourite flavour, jumping and charging was how Ward drew me to the BA. I wish we could do an all jumpers army again (without sacrificing the benefits of detachments). What does the king of CC have to do with assault cannons? Lol. In 30k rules, all blood angel units that can take heavy flamers can replace them with assault cannons. That's exclusive to us. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323568-blood-angel-flavor-discussions/#findComment-4432222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 What does the king of CC have to do with assault cannons? Lol. Nothing, but one suggestion does not invalidate all others. My favourite flavour was and is lots of jump infantry, but that does not mean I don't like vehicles to get CC units without jump packs to the enemy. In 30k rules, all blood angel units that can take heavy flamers can replace them with assault cannons. That's exclusive to us. I was talking about 40K. Also 30K BA do not get the reliable assault cannons from 40K but fickle experimental assault cannons (I forgot the name of the pattern). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323568-blood-angel-flavor-discussions/#findComment-4432384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 In 30k rules, all blood angel units that can take heavy flamers can replace them with assault cannons. That's exclusive to us. I was talking about 40K. Also 30K BA do not get the reliable assault cannons from 40K but fickle experimental assault cannons (I forgot the name of the pattern). Prototype Iliastus-pattern Assault Cannon :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323568-blood-angel-flavor-discussions/#findComment-4432398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 What does the king of CC have to do with assault cannons? Lol.Nothing, but one suggestion does not invalidate all others. My favourite flavour was and is lots of jump infantry, but that does not mean I don't like vehicles to get CC units without jump packs to the enemy.In 30k rules, all blood angel units that can take heavy flamers can replace them with assault cannons. That's exclusive to us.I was talking about 40K. Also 30K BA do not get the reliable assault cannons from 40K but fickle experimental assault cannons (I forgot the name of the pattern). Agreed on the jump packs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323568-blood-angel-flavor-discussions/#findComment-4432518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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