Blood Angel Flavor Discussions

[CaptainHelion]

Not quite. Legiones Astartes: Blood Angels gives the standard LA always attempt to regroup, plus a +1 to wound in close combat, but requires us to never go to ground, always try and sweep, and I THINK always accept challenges. Also, we can't have more vehicles than infantry units.

The other neat things come from out special Rite of War, The Day of Revelations. Rites of War are like specific detachments you can get access to via commanders. Which is big, because 30k uses the 1 standard FoC + Allied detachment we used back in 6th edition. Day of Revelations gives us the +1 Initiative, a turn 1 Deep Strike on all our Jumppack units, and a 5+ cover save for everything that Deep Strikes. Which is tasty.

 

Edit: Ninja'd by Charlo!

[Charlo]

The description of that Rite of War is what made me go:

 

"Why am I doing Death Guard? Just to Waste time? I'll wait for BA."

 

I'm happy, but my Wallet isn't :P

[CaptainHelion]

The RoW is costing me in knife blades and spare marine parts like nothing I've seen. Maybe once I sort out my current money woes, I'll be able to sacrifice my wallet to Forgeworld...

[Charlo]

The best thing about it is that it lets us focus on deep strikes and jump packs without restricting us to just that.

 

We just have to take a skimmer/ flyer in one fast attack slot... lol.

 

Oh and the only LoW we can use are Thunderhawks, Stormeagles or THE BIG S-ANGEL HIMSELF. Or another flyer I'm forgetting, so a strike wing maybe.

 

Personally I'm just waiting for my squad firestorm to become vets with the sniper rule. Four rending flamer templates you say?

[LutherMax]

Wow... I'm actually seriously considering getting into 30k now...

 

In terms of playing is it just 40k but using army lists / units / wargear from the FW books?

 

(edited due to stupid)

[Charlo]

Same base rules, but has it's own set of missions and rules on army composition/ scoring/ Lords of War etc

 

There are NO formations, there is a single main Force Org Chart that everyone uses:

• 3 HQ
• 4 Elites
• 6 Troops
• 3 Fast
• 3 Heavy
• 1 LoW
• 1 Fortification
• 1 Allied Chart of 1 of every choice (bar LoW/ Fort of course)

There are a couple more force orgs too but these are more niche, some focus on heavy support or two LoW or a bunker system of Forts.

 

The only units that score are troops choices and those with the "Implacable Advance" rule. Which is Veterans and Terminators mainly.

 

Lords of War can be no more than 25% of your points (I think).

 

Then there are Rites of War, which are basically a theme you choose for your force. There are generic ones that (almost) any legion can use, unless there is a clash with their base rules OR there are Legion Specific ones that really add the flavour to the legions.

 

They pretty much range from: Army of Tanks, Drop pod EVERYTHING, All Terminators/ Veterans and all manner of stuff in between.

 

1D4Chan is the best way to start getting a feel for it by looking at the Legion Army List.

[LutherMax]

Interesting... very interesting... I don't know a single person who plays it but I can put some feelers out... I have Betrayal at Calth

[Charlo]

Also the number of HQ choices is crazy.

 

You basically have Preators, which are like your chapter masters.

 

Then you have Centurions, which is like a lower-captain. BUT, Centurions can be upgraded to be one a million roles like:

• Chaplain
• Librarian
• Champion
• Forge Lord
• Many More

All with unique equipment, options and special rules.

[CaptainHelion]

Essentially Charlo's covered everything. Only other notable points are on how it plays. LA armies are pretty similar to 40k Space Marines, except for two huge differences. One is the lack of ATSKNF, which makes morale an enormous deal. Legiones Astartes allows a unit to always attempt to regroup, which is nice to have, but crucially, it's not automatic like ATSKNF, and also has no clause preventing sweeping advances. When you combo these with the generally higher squad sizes you see in 30k, sweeping a squad in close combat can become HUGE, as can forcing Fear checks. There are all sorts of extras that modify these, in the form of equipment and special rules, such as the Death Guard's immunity to Fear and Pinning checks and the Emperor's Children all having the Crusader USR, and Legion Vexillas, which can be taken in most squads and grant a Morale reroll.

The other is flexibility. LA doesn't have much.

That is to say, it is enormously flexible in terms of what you can do, but rather more significantly constrained in how things play. Each unit has a purpose, and there's a lot of freedom on how to equip them for this purpose in most cases. But they are VERY focused in how they end up. As an example, Tactical Squads have no special weapons at all. They're just bolters, plus whatever you do with the Sergeant. BUT they can be anything between 10 and 20 models strong, and have a special rule that lets them fire twice! You might not think bolters are great, but try taking 80 BS4 S4 shots on the chin, and we'll see how you enjoy it.

Similarly, Tactical Support Squads and Heavy Support Squads are squads of 5-10 marines, all of them with a special or a heavy weapon, respectively. This sounds amazing, right? It is. But they all have to take the same weapon, and if you're not taking the basic weapons (Flamers or Heavy Bolters/Flamers), you have to pay for the upgrades, which adds up fast. A squad of 10 Lascannons sounds amazing, until the 335 point price tag shows up. And that's no transport, no sergeant upgrades. And it can only shoot one target. Granted, anything short of a Super-Heavy or a Spartan will fear it, but still. A very focused unit.

[Baalberith]

 

Dude...if you are trying to follow the fluff...black rage was NEVER represented in game rules...I´ve been playing since codex angels of death and onwards...black rage would be an ongoing factor in game...I remember way back when every turn we had to roll a die, if we get 1 the unit was forced to move making it impossible for whirlwind, devastators and the likes to fire... where did that fit in your "The Black Rage happens before battle as a result of psychic trauma caused by the death of Sanguinius"  part of the fluff? Even in the Shield of Leviathan we see that´s an on going thing...while the Fleash Tearers were fighting the Tyranids they were falling to the Black Rage and jumping from safety to engage the tyranids...so sry but that argument makes no sense...

 

It's evolved. I have every codex since Angels of Death as well. The Black Rage that was the "on a roll of 1, the unit moves forward" has become the Red Thirst. Notice how it says, "Blood Angels are so eager for bloodshed that they become barely controllable in combat. At the start of every Blood Angels turn, roll a d6 for each squad..." (Third Edition Codex: Blood Angels, page 4). 

 

Back then Black Rage and Red Thirst weren't as defined, but with Index Astartes: III, on into current fluff, that description has gone from the Black Rage to the Red Thirst. Notice, in the next column (same page, same codex), under "The Death Company" it says "On the eve of battle, the Blood Angels kneel in prayer... gene-memory of their Primarch's violent death... determine how many warriors in your army have been infused with the Black Rage and joined the Death Company..." At the beginning of the GAME, you would roll for each unit. On a 4 or a 5, one model from that unit joins the death company, on a six, one model joins and you roll again.

 

Notice there, then that those infused with the Black Rage get it at the eve of the battle, and that upon doing so go to the Death Company. 

 

That is STRAIGHT from the third edition codex, which I hold in my hand.

 

Here is the part on Mephiston... "And thus did Brother Calistarius come to Hades Hive to do war against the enemies of the Imperium that had fallen upon the planet of Armageddon and there did he became a victim of the Black Rage. And he went before his Chaplain and was inducted into the Death Company, as is our way, and on the morning did take part in a grand assault..." (Third Edition).

 

Since you mentioned Second Edition (Angels of Death), I actually have that, too. Let's see what the Black Rage is in that...

 

"The Death Company: The Blood Angels are unique in that deeply engraved within their gene-seed is encoded experience of Sanguinius... Sometimes an event or circumstance will trigger this 'race memory'. This happens only rarely, often on the eve of battle... What has become known as the Black Rage overcomes him, the memories and consciousness of Sanguinius intrude upon his mind..." (page 21, Codex: Angels of Death).

 

 

lol...this isn´t a court of law…no one is being judged so I suggest you keep your nerd rage in check or talk to your local Chaplain because quoting is not needed or dick measuring contests…chill out.

I am aware that the fluff as EVOLVED…but you are trying to justify your points of view based on the fluff…however in case you haven´t noticed, GW just care much about the fluff or what has been written before. Look at The Sanguinor he didn´t existed before, in the fluff he can kill 3 carnifexes without breaking a sweat but game wise he can´t kill even 1…so if GW wants in our next incantation we may become something completely different…

 

I understand what you are saying regarding black rage affecting them BEFORE battle but it´s not that simple…it´s not like they get all nervous and stressed before battle and once they reach it they calm down and everything is pink and shiny…a lot of marines while IN BATTLE fall to the black rage not just before.

Black rage for all intentions and purposes is a state of madness…it can occur before or during battle…how can be represented? Fearless to me seems pretty obvious, Feel no pain, rage (duhh) maybe rending or attack rerolls…But also it is random…doesn´t mean it´s going to happen…that´s why I suggested that rule…

 

It was just a suggestion of rules that to my point of few would be interesting and would incorporate some of the aspects of the fluff…you don´t like it´s ok…let me know what are your suggestions… 

[Xenith]

Wow... I'm actually seriously considering getting into 30k now...

 

In terms of playing is it just 40k but using army lists / units / wargear from the FW books?

 

(edited due to stupid)

 

Think of the FW books as different marine codexes.

 

You use the main 40k rulebook for the game rules, then the FW books for the faction rules, instead of a normal codex.

[Arkangilos]

 

 

 

Dude...if you are trying to follow the fluff...black rage was NEVER represented in game rules...I´ve been playing since codex angels of death and onwards...black rage would be an ongoing factor in game...I remember way back when every turn we had to roll a die, if we get 1 the unit was forced to move making it impossible for whirlwind, devastators and the likes to fire... where did that fit in your "The Black Rage happens before battle as a result of psychic trauma caused by the death of Sanguinius" part of the fluff? Even in the Shield of Leviathan we see that´s an on going thing...while the Fleash Tearers were fighting the Tyranids they were falling to the Black Rage and jumping from safety to engage the tyranids...so sry but that argument makes no sense...

 

It's evolved. I have every codex since Angels of Death as well. The Black Rage that was the "on a roll of 1, the unit moves forward" has become the Red Thirst. Notice how it says, "Blood Angels are so eager for bloodshed that they become barely controllable in combat. At the start of every Blood Angels turn, roll a d6 for each squad..." (Third Edition Codex: Blood Angels, page 4).

 

Back then Black Rage and Red Thirst weren't as defined, but with Index Astartes: III, on into current fluff, that description has gone from the Black Rage to the Red Thirst. Notice, in the next column (same page, same codex), under "The Death Company" it says "On the eve of battle, the Blood Angels kneel in prayer... gene-memory of their Primarch's violent death... determine how many warriors in your army have been infused with the Black Rage and joined the Death Company..." At the beginning of the GAME, you would roll for each unit. On a 4 or a 5, one model from that unit joins the death company, on a six, one model joins and you roll again.

 

Notice there, then that those infused with the Black Rage get it at the eve of the battle, and that upon doing so go to the Death Company.

 

That is STRAIGHT from the third edition codex, which I hold in my hand.

 

Here is the part on Mephiston... "And thus did Brother Calistarius come to Hades Hive to do war against the enemies of the Imperium that had fallen upon the planet of Armageddon and there did he became a victim of the Black Rage. And he went before his Chaplain and was inducted into the Death Company, as is our way, and on the morning did take part in a grand assault..." (Third Edition).

 

Since you mentioned Second Edition (Angels of Death), I actually have that, too. Let's see what the Black Rage is in that...

 

"The Death Company: The Blood Angels are unique in that deeply engraved within their gene-seed is encoded experience of Sanguinius... Sometimes an event or circumstance will trigger this 'race memory'. This happens only rarely, often on the eve of battle... What has become known as the Black Rage overcomes him, the memories and consciousness of Sanguinius intrude upon his mind..." (page 21, Codex: Angels of Death).

lol...this isn´t a court of law…no one is being judged so I suggest you keep your nerd rage in check or talk to your local Chaplain because quoting is not needed or dick measuring contests…chill out.

I am aware that the fluff as EVOLVED…but you are trying to justify your points of view based on the fluff…however in case you haven´t noticed, GW just care much about the fluff or what has been written before. Look at The Sanguinor he didn´t existed before, in the fluff he can kill 3 carnifexes without breaking a sweat but game wise he can´t kill even 1…so if GW wants in our next incantation we may become something completely different…

 

I understand what you are saying regarding black rage affecting them BEFORE battle but it´s not that simple…it´s not like they get all nervous and stressed before battle and once they reach it they calm down and everything is pink and shiny…a lot of marines while IN BATTLE fall to the black rage not just before.

Black rage for all intentions and purposes is a state of madness…it can occur before or during battle…how can be represented? Fearless to me seems pretty obvious, Feel no pain, rage (duhh) maybe rending or attack rerolls…But also it is random…doesn´t mean it´s going to happen…that´s why I suggested that rule…

 

It was just a suggestion of rules that to my point of few would be interesting and would incorporate some of the aspects of the fluff…you don´t like it´s ok…let me know what are your suggestions…

I've already given my suggestions earlier in the comments. Also, the Black Rage is not what you are describing. Since second edition it has been described the same, each time it says that it happens on the EVE of battle. You say we don't have rules to represent the black rage, BUT WE DO... THE DEATH COMPANY. The Black Rage is perfectly represented in the unit that CONSISTS ONLY OF THOSE WHO HAD FALLEN.

 

The Flesh Tearers, those that fall in battle, fall to the RED THIRST. Sometimes GW may call it the Black Rage, but when they do they include it with q description that sounds EXACTLY like the red thirst, so sometimes they make a mistake.

 

In third edition, as I quoted, you rolled for each unit before battle. On a 4 or a 5, ONE person from that unit was removed and became a death company marine. On a six, you remove him and roll again.

 

And no, they don't get all nervous and stressed and return. READ YOUR CODICES. It explains exactly what happens. They pray and think back, the chaplains chant litanies while inspecting. When they come across one brother that has fallen he collapses to be sent into the death company.

 

Games workshop has copied and pasted it since second edition.

 

I suggest rereading my post, because I had all of that covered for the black rage and red thirst.

 

Also, I mentioned those codices and posted those quotes because of your snooty attitude and "how does that fit into you fluff?" Well, I showed you, using the same sources you cited as why you were right. Next time don't get snooty and I won't go digging up lore and rules from those sources to debunk your claim.

 

Also, "a lot of marines" is an overstatement. It is *rare* to happen to more than just a few at the onset of a campaign.

 

By the way, it's a sign of bad character to start off woth your first post, have sources cited to say why your first post was wrong, and then "suggest" that the person using legitiment argument and sources keep his "nerd rage in check."

You don't even have to read your codex, I literally posted all of that right there. Did you just ignore the direct quotes?

(Caps represent bold. On my phone so it's a pain).

[Baalberith]

 

 

 

Dude...if you are trying to follow the fluff...black rage was NEVER represented in game rules...I´ve been playing since codex angels of death and onwards...black rage would be an ongoing factor in game...I remember way back when every turn we had to roll a die, if we get 1 the unit was forced to move making it impossible for whirlwind, devastators and the likes to fire... where did that fit in your "The Black Rage happens before battle as a result of psychic trauma caused by the death of Sanguinius" part of the fluff? Even in the Shield of Leviathan we see that´s an on going thing...while the Fleash Tearers were fighting the Tyranids they were falling to the Black Rage and jumping from safety to engage the tyranids...so sry but that argument makes no sense...

It's evolved. I have every codex since Angels of Death as well. The Black Rage that was the "on a roll of 1, the unit moves forward" has become the Red Thirst. Notice how it says, "Blood Angels are so eager for bloodshed that they become barely controllable in combat. At the start of every Blood Angels turn, roll a d6 for each squad..." (Third Edition Codex: Blood Angels, page 4).

 

Back then Black Rage and Red Thirst weren't as defined, but with Index Astartes: III, on into current fluff, that description has gone from the Black Rage to the Red Thirst. Notice, in the next column (same page, same codex), under "The Death Company" it says "On the eve of battle, the Blood Angels kneel in prayer... gene-memory of their Primarch's violent death... determine how many warriors in your army have been infused with the Black Rage and joined the Death Company..." At the beginning of the GAME, you would roll for each unit. On a 4 or a 5, one model from that unit joins the death company, on a six, one model joins and you roll again.

 

Notice there, then that those infused with the Black Rage get it at the eve of the battle, and that upon doing so go to the Death Company.

 

That is STRAIGHT from the third edition codex, which I hold in my hand.

 

Here is the part on Mephiston... "And thus did Brother Calistarius come to Hades Hive to do war against the enemies of the Imperium that had fallen upon the planet of Armageddon and there did he became a victim of the Black Rage. And he went before his Chaplain and was inducted into the Death Company, as is our way, and on the morning did take part in a grand assault..." (Third Edition).

 

Since you mentioned Second Edition (Angels of Death), I actually have that, too. Let's see what the Black Rage is in that...

 

"The Death Company: The Blood Angels are unique in that deeply engraved within their gene-seed is encoded experience of Sanguinius... Sometimes an event or circumstance will trigger this 'race memory'. This happens only rarely, often on the eve of battle... What has become known as the Black Rage overcomes him, the memories and consciousness of Sanguinius intrude upon his mind..." (page 21, Codex: Angels of Death).

lol...this isn´t a court of law…no one is being judged so I suggest you keep your nerd rage in check or talk to your local Chaplain because quoting is not needed or dick measuring contests…chill out.

I am aware that the fluff as EVOLVED…but you are trying to justify your points of view based on the fluff…however in case you haven´t noticed, GW just care much about the fluff or what has been written before. Look at The Sanguinor he didn´t existed before, in the fluff he can kill 3 carnifexes without breaking a sweat but game wise he can´t kill even 1…so if GW wants in our next incantation we may become something completely different…

 

I understand what you are saying regarding black rage affecting them BEFORE battle but it´s not that simple…it´s not like they get all nervous and stressed before battle and once they reach it they calm down and everything is pink and shiny…a lot of marines while IN BATTLE fall to the black rage not just before.

Black rage for all intentions and purposes is a state of madness…it can occur before or during battle…how can be represented? Fearless to me seems pretty obvious, Feel no pain, rage (duhh) maybe rending or attack rerolls…But also it is random…doesn´t mean it´s going to happen…that´s why I suggested that rule…

 

It was just a suggestion of rules that to my point of few would be interesting and would incorporate some of the aspects of the fluff…you don´t like it´s ok…let me know what are your suggestions…

I've already given my suggestions earlier in the comments. Also, the Black Rage is not what you are describing. Since second edition it has been described the same, each time it says that it happens on the EVE of battle. You say we don't have rules to represent the black rage, BUT WE DO... THE DEATH COMPANY. The Black Rage is perfectly represented in the unit that CONSISTS ONLY OF THOSE WHO HAD FALLEN.

 

The Flesh Tearers, those that fall in battle, fall to the RED THIRST. Sometimes GW may call it the Black Rage, but when they do they include it with q description that sounds EXACTLY like the red thirst, so sometimes they make a mistake.

 

In third edition, as I quoted, you rolled for each unit before battle. On a 4 or a 5, ONE person from that unit was removed and became a death company marine. On a six, you remove him and roll again.

 

And no, they don't get all nervous and stressed and return. READ YOUR CODICES. It explains exactly what happens. They pray and think back, the chaplains chant litanies while inspecting. When they come across one brother that has fallen he collapses to be sent into the death company.

 

Games workshop has copied and pasted it since second edition.

 

I suggest rereading my post, because I had all of that covered for the black rage and red thirst.

 

Also, I mentioned those codices and posted those quotes because of your snooty attitude and "how does that fit into you fluff?" Well, I showed you, using the same sources you cited as why you were right. Next time don't get snooty and I won't go digging up lore and rules from those sources to debunk your claim.

 

Also, "a lot of marines" is an overstatement. It is *rare* to happen to more than just a few at the onset of a campaign.

 

You don't even have to read your codex, I literally posted all of that right there. Did you just ignore the direct quotes?

(Caps represent bold. On my phone so it's a pain).

 

 

The black rage you are describing fits your idea and notion of if…it´s not a rule, it´s YOUR interpretation, good thing this is a hobby and everyone is entitled to their opinion and idea of what things are so don´t try to act all high and mighty because it doesn´t take you anywhere…just shows how arrogant and intolerant you are.

“The Flesh Tearers, those that fall in battle, fall to the RED THIRST. Sometimes GW may call it the Black Rage, but when they do they include it with q description that sounds EXACTLY like the red thirst, so sometimes they make a mistake.” – So you are part of the team that designs the rules? How do you know if it is a mistake or not? You are full of yourself aren´t you?

 

I suggest you read my posts or learn how to interpret them, I can write in 4different languages if it helps, because I NEVER said we don´t have rules for the black rage…I suggested a different approach/ rules for them…understand the difference? Or do I need to clarify it?

 

Again with the dick measuring?

 

“Also, "a lot of marines" is an overstatement. It is *rare* to happen to more than just a few at the onset of a campaign.” – Dude you just shot yourself in the foot...I´m not got mentioned page or line, but clearly you are more ignorant than you think. It has been mention in the fluff that before the eve of battle entire companies fall to the Black Rage...doesn´t that qualify as “a lot of marines” ?...just lol

 

Also another suggestion, If I was you I would remove the “upgrade” for the “Towering arrogance” because it doesn´t suit a Blood Angel player...as it is a sign of “bad character”.

But whatever, I normally don´t post because I´ve seen things like this happen before and as a result people stay away from posting, so don´t worry, I´m not here to prove you are wrong, you are the best and you know better than everyone else, especially me son. 

[Baalberith]

 

 

 

Dude...if you are trying to follow the fluff...black rage was NEVER represented in game rules...I´ve been playing since codex angels of death and onwards...black rage would be an ongoing factor in game...I remember way back when every turn we had to roll a die, if we get 1 the unit was forced to move making it impossible for whirlwind, devastators and the likes to fire... where did that fit in your "The Black Rage happens before battle as a result of psychic trauma caused by the death of Sanguinius" part of the fluff? Even in the Shield of Leviathan we see that´s an on going thing...while the Fleash Tearers were fighting the Tyranids they were falling to the Black Rage and jumping from safety to engage the tyranids...so sry but that argument makes no sense...

It's evolved. I have every codex since Angels of Death as well. The Black Rage that was the "on a roll of 1, the unit moves forward" has become the Red Thirst. Notice how it says, "Blood Angels are so eager for bloodshed that they become barely controllable in combat. At the start of every Blood Angels turn, roll a d6 for each squad..." (Third Edition Codex: Blood Angels, page 4).

 

Back then Black Rage and Red Thirst weren't as defined, but with Index Astartes: III, on into current fluff, that description has gone from the Black Rage to the Red Thirst. Notice, in the next column (same page, same codex), under "The Death Company" it says "On the eve of battle, the Blood Angels kneel in prayer... gene-memory of their Primarch's violent death... determine how many warriors in your army have been infused with the Black Rage and joined the Death Company..." At the beginning of the GAME, you would roll for each unit. On a 4 or a 5, one model from that unit joins the death company, on a six, one model joins and you roll again.

 

Notice there, then that those infused with the Black Rage get it at the eve of the battle, and that upon doing so go to the Death Company.

 

That is STRAIGHT from the third edition codex, which I hold in my hand.

 

Here is the part on Mephiston... "And thus did Brother Calistarius come to Hades Hive to do war against the enemies of the Imperium that had fallen upon the planet of Armageddon and there did he became a victim of the Black Rage. And he went before his Chaplain and was inducted into the Death Company, as is our way, and on the morning did take part in a grand assault..." (Third Edition).

 

Since you mentioned Second Edition (Angels of Death), I actually have that, too. Let's see what the Black Rage is in that...

 

"The Death Company: The Blood Angels are unique in that deeply engraved within their gene-seed is encoded experience of Sanguinius... Sometimes an event or circumstance will trigger this 'race memory'. This happens only rarely, often on the eve of battle... What has become known as the Black Rage overcomes him, the memories and consciousness of Sanguinius intrude upon his mind..." (page 21, Codex: Angels of Death).

lol...this isn´t a court of law…no one is being judged so I suggest you keep your nerd rage in check or talk to your local Chaplain because quoting is not needed or dick measuring contests…chill out.

I am aware that the fluff as EVOLVED…but you are trying to justify your points of view based on the fluff…however in case you haven´t noticed, GW just care much about the fluff or what has been written before. Look at The Sanguinor he didn´t existed before, in the fluff he can kill 3 carnifexes without breaking a sweat but game wise he can´t kill even 1…so if GW wants in our next incantation we may become something completely different…

 

I understand what you are saying regarding black rage affecting them BEFORE battle but it´s not that simple…it´s not like they get all nervous and stressed before battle and once they reach it they calm down and everything is pink and shiny…a lot of marines while IN BATTLE fall to the black rage not just before.

Black rage for all intentions and purposes is a state of madness…it can occur before or during battle…how can be represented? Fearless to me seems pretty obvious, Feel no pain, rage (duhh) maybe rending or attack rerolls…But also it is random…doesn´t mean it´s going to happen…that´s why I suggested that rule…

 

It was just a suggestion of rules that to my point of few would be interesting and would incorporate some of the aspects of the fluff…you don´t like it´s ok…let me know what are your suggestions…

I've already given my suggestions earlier in the comments. Also, the Black Rage is not what you are describing. Since second edition it has been described the same, each time it says that it happens on the EVE of battle. You say we don't have rules to represent the black rage, BUT WE DO... THE DEATH COMPANY. The Black Rage is perfectly represented in the unit that CONSISTS ONLY OF THOSE WHO HAD FALLEN.

 

The Flesh Tearers, those that fall in battle, fall to the RED THIRST. Sometimes GW may call it the Black Rage, but when they do they include it with q description that sounds EXACTLY like the red thirst, so sometimes they make a mistake.

 

In third edition, as I quoted, you rolled for each unit before battle. On a 4 or a 5, ONE person from that unit was removed and became a death company marine. On a six, you remove him and roll again.

 

And no, they don't get all nervous and stressed and return. READ YOUR CODICES. It explains exactly what happens. They pray and think back, the chaplains chant litanies while inspecting. When they come across one brother that has fallen he collapses to be sent into the death company.

 

Games workshop has copied and pasted it since second edition.

 

I suggest rereading my post, because I had all of that covered for the black rage and red thirst.

 

Also, I mentioned those codices and posted those quotes because of your snooty attitude and "how does that fit into you fluff?" Well, I showed you, using the same sources you cited as why you were right. Next time don't get snooty and I won't go digging up lore and rules from those sources to debunk your claim.

 

Also, "a lot of marines" is an overstatement. It is *rare* to happen to more than just a few at the onset of a campaign.

 

By the way, it's a sign of bad character to start off woth your first post, have sources cited to say why your first post was wrong, and then "suggest" that the person using legitiment argument and sources keep his "nerd rage in check."

You don't even have to read your codex, I literally posted all of that right there. Did you just ignore the direct quotes?

(Caps represent bold. On my phone so it's a pain).

 

 

Oh oh I got a quote for you since you like them...the clue is in the size of some letters in the text...but don´t tell anyone ok?

 

Chapter Organisation "To live is to kill. To live for the kill is to be of the Blood." — Chaplain Zophal

The Chapter is afflicted by two dangerous genetic gene-seed Flaws which causes most Veterans of the Chapter to succumb to the effects of the Blood Angels' Black Rage. This can cause them to go insane prior to or during battle and feel the rage that Sanguinius himself felt during the Battle of Terra. The condition is largely irrecoverable. For unknown reasons, more Flesh Tearers succumb to the Black Rage than any other Successor Chapter of the Blood Angels, and therefore these Astartes are dwindling in numbers. This is why the Chapter currently only has enough Space Marines in its ranks to deploy 4 full companies. The Flesh Tearers also suffer from the Red Thirst, an overwhelming desire to physically taste their enemies' blood. When this trait is combined with the Black Rage it has sometimes led enraged Space Marines to undertake what can only be termed as cannibalistic assaults on their foes. It is one of the traits that earned this Chapter of the Adeptus Astartes its unusually savage name for a Loyalist Space Marine Chapter.

[Arkangilos]

Maybe things like this happen to you because of your tone, and the fact when someone provides you not with *their* interpretation, but the DIRECT QUOTE from the codices themselves, you call it a dick measuring contest.

 

Also, copy paste is fine, but please cite your sources. As of now that is meaningless because for all I know you copied it from 4chan or tropes or whatever.

 

And the rules thing is to the "how can it be represented." Well, it IS represented in the form of Death Company. Seriously, read about them.

 

Whole battle companies falling are RARE. Seriously, read the codex again. It says it happens, but rarely. This isn't me just spouting stuff off, this is straight from GW.

[NTaW]

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[sebs_evo7]

Brother's either take this to the dueling arena or stay your tongues.

[Jolemai]

Folks, if the contents of this thread and the opinions of others can't be respected or debated in a manner dictated by our forum rules, then it will be closed with extreme prejudice. Knock off the snarky comments please.

[Baalberith]

 

Folks, if the contents of this thread and the opinions of others can't be respected or debated in a manner dictated by our forum rules, then it will be closed with extreme prejudice. Knock off the snarky comments please.

 

 

I understand these rules, but it´s very annoying, to post something and then have someone come in and criticize everything using the argument “I know better”, when In fact and again I repeat, it´s their own interpretation of things…It´s perfectly fine to disagree but to be arrogant…it´s something else…to my point a few at least…maybe some fluff says something else.

 

Don’t worry, as far as I´m concerned, not going to be posting anything again…I don´t like to deal with this kind of people if we can call it that…enjoy the hobby.

 

 

Just to leave this here because he needed concrete proof, here´s some Harvard referring style because I´m not lying or secretly writing down fluff to support my views, but then again it´s from Wiki so it´s all fake right?...there was another one saying something along the lines that it´s not very uncommon for entire companies to fall to the black rage, but honestly I can´t recall where is it from and since I don´t have the books in front of me to present as evidence at this court of law we have to assume that I´m bluntly lying...

 

 

Warhammer 40k. (2016). Flesh Tearers. [online] Available at: http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Flesh_Tearers [Accessed 6 Jul. 2016].

[Xenith]

I think this proves that The Rage can strike at any time.

 

Still, it's the chaplain's job to find those most likely to succumb to it, and put them in the DC - Not all those in the DC have succumbed to the rage yet.

 

The thirst for battle and blood, I think, could be summed up well with the Flesh Tearer rule, Exposion of Bloodlust, where achieveing a certain number to assault means bonus attacks.

 

Maybe, if you beat the distance roll by 2, then you gain the rage rule? A natural 12 for assault roll and your unit gains fearless, FNP, Rage, rampage etc ;)

[Charlo]

Maybe, if you beat the distance roll by 2, then you gain the rage rule? A natural 12 for assault roll and your unit gains fearless, FNP, Rage, rampage etc

GIEVF.

Sod it roll that into our normal rules

"Okay do my charge distance is 12"... And I needed 5"... I'm sorry my opponent."

"Why?"

"I'm sorry"

*starts removing opponents models*

"What are you doing?!"

"Trust me, it's easier this way. I am sorry for your loss as I am mine... They were good brothers before the succumbed."

[Arkangilos]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Folks, if the contents of this thread and the opinions of others can't be respected or debated in a manner dictated by our forum rules, then it will be closed with extreme prejudice. Knock off the snarky comments please.

I understand these rules, but it´s very annoying, to post something and then have someone come in and criticize everything using the argument “I know better”, when In fact and again I repeat, it´s their own interpretation of things…It´s perfectly fine to disagree but to be arrogant…it´s something else…to my point a few at least…maybe some fluff says something else.

 

Don’t worry, as far as I´m concerned, not going to be posting anything again…I don´t like to deal with this kind of people if we can call it that…enjoy the hobby.

 

 

Just to leave this here because he needed concrete proof, here´s some Harvard referring style because I´m not lying or secretly writing down fluff to support my views, but then again it´s from Wiki so it´s all fake right?...there was another one saying something along the lines that it´s not very uncommon for entire companies to fall to the black rage, but honestly I can´t recall where is it from and since I don´t have the books in front of me to present as evidence at this court of law we have to assume that I´m bluntly lying...

 

 

 

Warhammer 40k. (2016). Flesh Tearers. [online] Available at: http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Flesh_Tearers [Accessed 6 Jul. 2016].

Had you not started off by saying, "dick measuring contest" and "suggest your nerd rage" it wouldn't have been nearly as bad. I have had civilized debates with almost everyone on here over similar things where they responded much better, and I even conceded points.

 

It isn't a matter of me knowing better, it was a matter of you used two sources I had in hand, and when I quoted them, rather than use the flesh tearer source (though they are an exception to the rule, not the rule), which I *may* have conceded to, you went about angrily.

 

I disagreed with you, and you got upset. Next time don't be a flesh tearer, be a blood angel. Then you can take that rage and provide me with sources so I can see your point

 

By the way, Harvard doesn't accept wikia articles as proof ;)

 

I stand by what the actual codices say.

[Jolemai]

This is why we can't have nice things.

[Jolemai]

 

 

Folks, if the contents of this thread and the opinions of others can't be respected or debated in a manner dictated by our forum rules, then it will be closed with extreme prejudice. Knock off the snarky comments please.

 

 

I understand these rules, but it´s very annoying, to post something and then have someone come in and criticize everything using the argument “I know better”, when In fact and again I repeat, it´s their own interpretation of things…It´s perfectly fine to disagree but to be arrogant…it´s something else…to my point a few at least…maybe some fluff says something else.

 

Don’t worry, as far as I´m concerned, not going to be posting anything again…I don´t like to deal with this kind of people if we can call it that…enjoy the hobby.

 

If someone posts something that gives you a grievance, then report it. Alternatively, you can place that person on ignore (or do both). Another option which at times is overlooked by many, is to go afk for a while. If you start to feel the Red Thirst/Black Rage (delete as appropriate) clawing at your soul then it's often best not to reply at all. Similarly, a PM can do wonders as more often than not, meanings don't come across when typed.

 

That said, play nice folks.

[Phiasco]

Girls, girls, you're both pretty. Now please stop doing your best to get this thread locked. Lighthearted fluff centric ideas for what may be in our future was what I started this thread for.

 

So that being said...As long as we're forced to roll for charge distances (and that's an entirely different discussion in and of itself) I like the idea of the roll representing the possible dissent into the red thirst. Like was mentioned, if the roll is more then was necessary to get into close combat, obviously they were a bit over eager to get there...