simison Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Setting: First 10 years of Icarion's invasion of the Imperium, focused on the Eastern Theatre in Seg. Ultima. Factions Involved: Dune Serpents, Steel Legion, Void Eagles, and the Insurgos. Progress Report - Old fluff Alpha Stage (Fluff) General Background: In-Progress Dune Serpents: In-progress (General History - Alpha Draft) The Steel Legion: In-progress (Title Page - Alpha Draft) Predators: In-progress (General History - Alpha Draft) Insurgos: In-progress [DS Traitors]: (In progress) Beta Stage (Fluff) Book 3A Campaigns (Battle of the Forge): Book 3B Campaigns Book 3C Campaigns Delta Stage (Crunch) Dune Serpents: The Steel Legion: Iron Bears Update: Expanded Armoury: Insurgos DS TraitorsTau Stage (Crunch) Book 3A Campaigns Book 3B Campaigns Book 3C Campaigns Book 2A (Battle of the Forge): Updated Iron Bears, Expanded Armoury Book 2B (Azus' Capture): Dune Serpents, Steel Legion, and the [Dune Serpents Insurgo]. Book 2C (Rescue of Azus): Predators Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325484-black-book-the-eastern-expansion-campaigns/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Do the Predators and Warbringers have slots? If not, I feel this would be a good time to bring them in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325484-black-book-the-eastern-expansion-campaigns/#findComment-4490029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted September 4, 2016 Author Share Posted September 4, 2016 Do the Predators and Warbringers have slots? If not, I feel this would be a good time to bring them in. Warbringers were thought of to be highly involved in the Reformation book where they would be front and center with the creation of the Suzerainty. Predators have no established role, so they could fit in here as our Loyalist faction. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325484-black-book-the-eastern-expansion-campaigns/#findComment-4490033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Which traitors do we have to play with, then? The Jackals? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325484-black-book-the-eastern-expansion-campaigns/#findComment-4490044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted September 4, 2016 Author Share Posted September 4, 2016 Hm, yeah, Jackels. Or potentially the WoP. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325484-black-book-the-eastern-expansion-campaigns/#findComment-4490047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 I was wondering if they were in a similar situation to the Warbringers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325484-black-book-the-eastern-expansion-campaigns/#findComment-4490048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 For other two sides, perhaps we could do non legion armies? Perhaps seeing as the Edict of Emancipation is in this book, a xenos auxiliary army list? And then another auxiliary force or legion for the insurrectionists? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325484-black-book-the-eastern-expansion-campaigns/#findComment-4490055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Interex and Kinebrach auxiliaries? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325484-black-book-the-eastern-expansion-campaigns/#findComment-4490057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Interex and Kinebrach auxiliaries? We could roll all the xenos into one army list and then provide a seperate provenance for the Interex or give an Interex special character Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325484-black-book-the-eastern-expansion-campaigns/#findComment-4490058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Problem is that xenos armies are not allowed on this board. Having a whole army.list, even if they work for the.empire is a bit of a risk. How about introducing knight households, auxilias and somethin.like the sisters of silence, custodes etc. Mechanicum abyssii (mechanicum in general). Rogue trader armies ( here we could through the backdoor use a mercenary.list where we put mercenaries with different options into. Of coirse they could field xenos tech and maybe they look like xenos etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325484-black-book-the-eastern-expansion-campaigns/#findComment-4490064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Problem is that xenos armies are not allowed on this board. Having a whole army.list, even if they work for the.empire is a bit of a risk. How about introducing knight households, auxilias and somethin.like the issters of silence custodes etc. We could. But I suggested a xenos mercenaries list as they are such a pivotal force at this point in the Insurrection Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325484-black-book-the-eastern-expansion-campaigns/#findComment-4490067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Hence the Interex, who simply include Kinebrach as something close to intelligent Ogryn. We have our list of mortal allies, so maybe we can develop some of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325484-black-book-the-eastern-expansion-campaigns/#findComment-4490069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 I edited my post a bit to adress this. Rogue trader armies with mercenary lists. ( could ne xenos or simply humans who use xenotech) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325484-black-book-the-eastern-expansion-campaigns/#findComment-4490070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 I had some thoughts on the xenos allies and mercenaries idea before. I think we can pull it off with some relatively simple additions. My suggestion is that we use the Militia list as a base and then add a number of new Provenances that adjust how the army works (I'm not certain on specifics, but access to certain xenotech and stat changes seem like viable options*), on top of that we could also write a new Warlord traits table to show some different mindsets that the various aliens might have. I think this would be legal to post here (Slips can you confirm) as it is simply a modification of an allowed list. *A thought that just occurred is that we could write a provenance for a number of different races (one for Orks, Eldar, Kroot etc..), which could then be used alone or in conjunction with the existing provenances. We could even add a Xenos keyword so that you cannot have two alien races combined into a hybrid (to stop people taking Eldar + Ork and being extra fast and tough). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325484-black-book-the-eastern-expansion-campaigns/#findComment-4490078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 I had some thoughts on the xenos allies and mercenaries idea before. I think we can pull it off with some relatively simple additions. My suggestion is that we use the Militia list as a base and then add a number of new Provenances that adjust how the army works (I'm not certain on specifics, but access to certain xenotech and stat changes seem like viable options*), on top of that we could also write a new Warlord traits table to show some different mindsets that the various aliens might have. I think this would be legal to post here (Slips can you confirm) as it is simply a modification of an allowed list. *A thought that just occurred is that we could write a provenance for a number of different races (one for Orks, Eldar, Kroot etc..), which could then be used alone or in conjunction with the existing provenances. We could even add a Xenos keyword so that you cannot have two alien races combined into a hybrid (to stop people taking Eldar + Ork and being extra fast and tough). And possibly we could also have maybe one or two unique characters? So like a human interex who functions like the Halycon Warden diplomat centurion between human auxilia and auxilia using a kinebrach provenance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325484-black-book-the-eastern-expansion-campaigns/#findComment-4490082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Would be honored if the Predators may take their seat in book no. 2. :) If we decide to introduce a Knight Household as well, I can offer you House Harkon OR can give my brainstorm ideas about House Ordoz and Sardok to someone who would like to write about them. Concerning writing about xenos. I once spoke with Slips and after resulting the other mods, he tolde me that I was allowed to write something like a compendium / journal from an imperial pov about xenos races and no full topic. Think our solution should not be a problem. But I wanted to mentioned it before it might get critical. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325484-black-book-the-eastern-expansion-campaigns/#findComment-4490110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 My suggestion for factions is the following: Void Eagles or Predators and Imperial Auxiliaries VS Stygian Jackals and Dark Mechanicum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325484-black-book-the-eastern-expansion-campaigns/#findComment-4490111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 My suggestion for factions is the following: Void Eagles or Predators and Imperial Auxiliaries VS Stygian Jackals and Dark Mechanicum. Dark Mechanicum are covered by the Cognis in Escalation that hinges on another book: Escalation. It's made incredible progress so far This surprised me pleasantly :) I was on the verge of apologising for how long it was taking me to crank out Escalation's fluff Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325484-black-book-the-eastern-expansion-campaigns/#findComment-4490114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Looong? I am surprised thst you havent published a novel yet Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325484-black-book-the-eastern-expansion-campaigns/#findComment-4490120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 A novel? I was thinking of a series by the end of the year. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325484-black-book-the-eastern-expansion-campaigns/#findComment-4490129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 The trouble with a novel is keeping all my attention on one story. I have the vague goal of getting Dragon's Flight to resembling a book by the time I get back to the UK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325484-black-book-the-eastern-expansion-campaigns/#findComment-4490146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted September 4, 2016 Author Share Posted September 4, 2016 Good gravy, Sig, your pace has been exemplary. So, we essentially have our Traitor Legion picked: Stygian Jackels. We'll have to wait on Slips to tell us how far we can go down the Imperial Xeno route. Potential Loyalist Legions: Predators Void Eagles Halcyon Wardens Potential Factions: Interex & Kinebrack Auxilia Imperial Militia [with Xeno Provenances] Knight House Harkon To better answer this question, let's take another shot at outlining the other books. Furthermore, let's be optimistic and assume that we can keep this multi-light book momentum going. Worse comes to worst, we can collapse them back into each other. Insurrection - Lightning Bearers/Harbingers, Iron Bears, Grave Stalkers, Godslayers, Scions Hospitalier, & The Drowned - Day of Revelation, beginning of the Insurrection [Corruption] - [Loyalist Legion], Stygian Jackels, [2 Factions] - Icarion's advance, the Edict of Emancipation, and the Stalemate Escalation - Crimson Lions, Berserkers of Uran, Leonic Auxilia, Cognis - The Blood Crusade Book 4 - Warbringers, Warriors of Peace, [2 Factions/Daemon Rules] - The Traitors resorting to Daemonic power, the Death of K'awil, the creation of the Suzerainty [Retaliation] - Godslayers (Daemons), [3 Factions/Daemon rules] - Return of the Godslayers, Icarion's attempts to end the Suzerainty and the Jackel insurgency, and more Daemons Book 6 - [4 Factions] - Breach of Solar Seg., the Suzerainty-Imperium Alliance, Deployment of the Wardens of Light Book 7 - [4 Factions] - The Terran Siege & the Madrigal Siege How does that look? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325484-black-book-the-eastern-expansion-campaigns/#findComment-4490198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 I feel lile you could probably split the events of Corruption into two books. Book 2- Icarion's expansion out of the Maelstrom . Book 3- His first assault on the Seg. Solar Other than that looks fine. And maybe I'm just judging myself too harshly :P but I failed to meet my goal of having The Fall of the Eastern March done by the end of this week so I'm feeling slow Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325484-black-book-the-eastern-expansion-campaigns/#findComment-4490202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Do we bring the Nightguard in during Book 6 or 7? I'm guessing Blackshields turn up in 4 or 5, given that we have at least one warband whose origin is tied to the creation of the Suzerainty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325484-black-book-the-eastern-expansion-campaigns/#findComment-4490206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 6 I'd say. And the Blackshileds etc. Won't be getting rules I don't think as FW already did that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325484-black-book-the-eastern-expansion-campaigns/#findComment-4490208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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