REF - Book Outlines

[bluntblade]

I'm thinking we'll just make a Jackals SA cohort

[Nomus Sardauk]

@Beren: I'm dubious of Echo's canonical status given the entire point of the story is as a nod to the then-recently replaced Stygian Jackals and how the Steel Legion replaced them.

 

@bluntblade: I thought we were already including them as a Chapter of the Predators?

[Kelborn]

I thought that, as well.

They'd be the guys founding the Malal pirate realm after the battle of Mardum.

[bluntblade]

Looks like you boys know better than me

[simison]

Kel has the right of it.

 

Also, excellent list, Beren.

 

Question, is it possible to have too many short stories?

[bluntblade]

Yes.

 

What we could do is take a leaf from the Badab books and scatter stories throughout.

[Beren]

Pre-Insurrection tales from the Monthly Fluff Challenge

FWs = Forgeworld Style

A lot of the stuff here should go in a Legion's Red Book, but I listed them here anyway for the sake of listing them somewhere in case they're not in their respective threads. believe I missed a couple of the Steel Legion and Dune Serpent's FW pieces as I made that decision after having gone through theirs. If any of these are present in their respective threads, tell me and I'll take them off the list. Later I'll separate them from the prose entries

 

Edit: Done for now.

 

Steel Legion

Unity- http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/?do=findComment&comment=4675852

 

A meeting between peers http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-4?do=findComment&comment=4701587

The Rite of Nomus- http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-15?do=findComment&comment=4892215

 

 

Dune Serpents

 

The Initiation - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-4?do=findComment&comment=4702016

unnamed - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-4?do=findComment&comment=4706619

 

 

Fire Keepers

 

unamed - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-16?do=findComment&comment=4895322

 

 

 

Warbringers

 

unamed - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-19?do=findComment&comment=4915694

 

Imperial Army/Predators

 

The Ebon Blade- http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-20?do=findComment&comment=4943457

 

Drowned-

 

Dare-http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-21?do=findComment&comment=4952138

On a side note, I recall Helter having a story in the Drowned thread that may qualify as well.

 

The Under-Worlder and the Over-Worlder- http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-22?do=findComment&comment=498133

 

 

Auxila

Bravery or Desparation-

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-27?do=findComment&comment=5029094

 

 

Scions Hospitalier

 

The Justice of Salvation - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-28?do=findComment&comment=5048761

 

 

Predators

 

 

Methods of the Hunt-http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-29?do=findComment&comment=5077879

The Task of a Shaman- http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-29?do=findComment&comment=5081890

 

Crimson Lions

 

To what end?-http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-29?do=findComment&comment=5092239

 

The World of the Lion- http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-31?do=findComment&comment=5157450

 

 

 

 

 

Forgeworld Style

 

Steel Legion

 

Comliance of Epsilon-Theta(FWS) - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/?do=findComment&comment=4678610

Praevians of the Steel Legion(FWS)-http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-2?do=findComment&comment=4685991

Destroyers of the Steel Legion(FWS)-http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-2?do=findComment&comment=4687673

Steel Legion Geno Auxilia (FWS)http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-3?do=findComment&comment=4700560

 

 

Void Eagles

4th Great Fleet (FWS) -http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-7?do=findComment&comment=4747826

Worldburner Grenadiers() - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-7?do=findComment&comment=4744178

 

Grave Stalkers

 

The Iron Reapers(FWS) - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-7?do=findComment&comment=4773846

Vu-Kub, Captain of the Tenth(FWS) - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-8?do=findComment&comment=4782088

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-8?do=findComment&comment=4784312

The Silent Choir (FWS) - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-8?do=findComment&comment=4782739

Blacksoul Hollow Chabtan - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-8?do=findComment&comment=4798332

 

Warriors of Peace-

 

Swift Earth Style (FWS) - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-9?do=findComment&comment=4832449

The Jade General(FWS) - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-9?do=findComment&comment=4832772

Lord Militant Jacos Nurada - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-10?do=findComment&comment=4839777

 

Fire Keepers.

 

Triakonta(FWS) - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-11?do=findComment&comment=4869432

 

Eagle Warriors

Blood and Madness(FWS) - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-13?do=findComment&comment=4874498

The Winds of Freedom(FWS) - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-14?do=findComment&comment=4878732

Itzcoatl(FWS) - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-15?do=findComment&comment=4886206

 

Warbringers

 

A matter of honour(FWS) - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-18?do=findComment&comment=4911069

Command Hierachy(FWS) - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-18?do=findComment&comment=4906030

 

Halycon Wardens

 

The 14th Brigade(FWS) - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-24?do=findComment&comment=5014363

 

Auxila

 

The Daughters of Dae'rrd(FWS) - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-27?do=findComment&comment=5037346

 

Scions Hospitalier

The Chestworm Outbreak of Felis III (FWS) - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-28?do=findComment&comment=5056558

 

Predators

 

Plainsrunner tribe(FWS) - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-29?do=findComment&comment=5082517

 

Crimson Lions

 

Crimson Lions Despoiler Sergeant- http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-31?do=findComment&comment=5132113

The Oith'aud system(FWS) - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-31?do=findComment&comment=5136796

 

Bezerkers of Uran

 

The Ashen Cult(FWS) - http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/331712-botl-monthly-fluff-challenge/page-31?do=findComment&comment=5187693

Edited November 14, 2018 by Beren

[Kelborn]

Holy...excellent list, Beren!!!

[simison]

Yes.

 

What we could do is take a leaf from the Badab books and scatter stories throughout.

 

So, my original thought was that the short stories would be included in a separate file that would be published alongside the rulebook. Which is why I wasn't sure if we had to worry about a limit per se other than trying to have a somewhat equal number of short stories per release.

 

But that's an interesting thought, Blunt. So, I did take a look at the Badab books. The stories are presented with a very firm in-universe foundation, mainly Inquisitorial records. Given that, how would we justify these stories be included, Blunt?

 

Because I do like the idea of seeding stories throughout the rulebooks. If we did go with this synthesis, I would, at the very least, have a story between the main chapters. 

 

Something like this for Insurrection

• Preface
• "Koloss"
• Age of the Emperor
• "Prospero"
• Vizenko Prosecution
• "A Difference of Opinion"
• Ally Matrix
• "Painful Observations"
• Pariah Rules
• [story with one of the generic units]
• Generic Units

Though, perhaps shorter, more refined versions of those stories. 

[bluntblade]

Remembrancer-penned recordings?

I suggest leaving Prospero for people to seek out, like it's half-hidden

[simison]

Remembrancer-penned recordings?

I suggest leaving Prospero for people to seek out, like it's half-hidden

 

I can agree with Prospero. 

 

What about situations where no remembrancer would be there?

 

Also, after realizing just how thin releasing Insurrection would be without a Legion to accompany it, I have proposed (and which has been supported by several members) is that our first release date have 3 books: Insurrection, Harbingers, & Halcyon Wardens. This would allow someone with the core rulebook to immediately take advantage of the rules with two Legions in the BotL-verse. Likewise there is general support for having a Traitor and a Loyalist Legion face off against each other per release, sort of like those GW box deals they periodically release.

 

To compensate for this heavier release, we would have only 2 release dates a year. So, it would look something like this:

• March 2019: Insurrection, Harbingers, Halcyon Wardens
• September 2019: Iron Bears, Grave Stalkers
• March 2020: Godslayers, Predators
• September 2020: Drowned, Scions Hospitalier

 

Again, my 1-year rule would still be in effect. If we ever had enough rulebooks ready to be released for each publishing date a year out, we can do more. Also, this is not a hard schedule, just a working one. Everybody seems to be in favor of the Harbingers and Halcyon Wardens going first, but no one has made suggestions for who comes next. And we are still aiming for a Jan. release, but I'm not sure if we can get the cover art done in time. 

[bluntblade]

I was thinking they'd be related to and perhaps embellished by a remembrancer after the fact

[simison]

Does everyone agree that the Bears and Stalkers should come after the Wardens & Harbingers?

[Kelborn]

I do.

They fit well together, imho.

The buddy vs the scary guy.

[simison]

We have successfully released Insurrection, Harbingers, and Halcyon Wardens. Here is the initial schedule I suggested. 

 

• March (April 19) 2019: Insurrection, Harbingers, Halcyon Wardens
• October 2019: Iron Bears, Grave Stalkers
• April 2020: Godslayers, Predators
• October 2020: Drowned, Scions Hospitalier

 

Now, while I still think the Grave Stalkers and Iron Bears should be next, I'm not deadset on who should be paired with the Godslayers. Suggestions? 

[Doctor Perils]

Do you think it may be feasible to still release them alongside the Iron Bears and Grave Stalkers, or do you think it would be too ambitious ?

Alternatively, Godslayers and Predators could be released alongside some non-Astartes forces or Insurgos (in two separate releases I mean)?

 

IIRC, we began the final proof and feedback phase in the week preceding March 1st - does that mean we should set the proof and feedback for IB and GS mid-August, or simply aim for the beginning of September?

 

For the playtesting, could that be started essentially straight away?

[Grifftofer]

Playtesting will begin as soon as I can convince someone to play against me :P We have provisional rules for the Bears, Stalkers and Godslayers all ready to go, so if we did want to make this a triple release it would be possible IMO

[Doctor Perils]

What about in terms of fluff and art?

[Kelborn]

Fluffwise they should all be close to done, I think.

 

I suggest to pair the Preds with the WoL or give them two entries, one loyal and a traitor one. GS + loyal Preds mabe?

Edited April 23, 2019 by Kelborn

[simison]

Do you think it may be feasible to still release them alongside the Iron Bears and Grave Stalkers, or do you think it would be too ambitious ?

Alternatively, Godslayers and Predators could be released alongside some non-Astartes forces or Insurgos (in two separate releases I mean)?

 

As I said earlier, only if we're ahead of schedule will I consider adding more to the next release date.

[bluntblade]

I was thinking the Godslayers could take the Jackals' role on Iyacrax. Then we could showcase their siege specialisation and maybe release them then? Edited April 23, 2019 by bluntblade

[bluntblade]

Not sure what I was thinking about releasing Godslayers then for, but I think we need to try and all get on the same page with the outlines for the books.

 

There was.talk of making Mars it's own book, owing to the size of the campaign, and sticking Iyacrax or Thelum in Book 2. Do we want to do either or both of those?

Edited May 6, 2019 by bluntblade

[simison]

The current Black Book release schedule is as follows:

 

• Insurrection (Generic Legion units - Released)
• Day of Revelation (TBD)

 

Yes, there has been suggestions of making Mars its own book. 

[bluntblade]

OK, I think it's time we went over these again. I think this is how it stands:

Book 1 - Revelation [all complete]

• Preface [complete]
• Introduction [complete]
• The Madrigal Purge (Harbingers vs HW)
• The Kataii Ambush (IB vs GS and GS)
• The Perfidy of Untara (SH vs Drowned)

Book 2 - Scission

• Preface [complete]
• Introduction [complete]
• Mars (HW, FK, Abyssii vs Cognis among others)

Book 3 - Expansion

• Preface [TBD]
• Introduction: The False Empire [complete]
• Conquest of the Tayargund Reach (Harbingers vs FK and Shepherds of Eden) [complete]
• Nox [WIP]

Book 4 - Subjugation

• Preface [TBD]
• Introduction [to be done]
• Iphigenia and Macragge [WIP]
• The Lion's Hunt (CL vs Geno regiments)
• The Agony of Chalcea (BoU) [WIP]

Book 5 - Attrition

• Preface [TBD]
• Introduction: The Pieces Set [WIP]
• Iyacrax (IB, Halcyon Wardens(?), Predators(?) vs WB and Godslayers(?)) [WIP]
• Something with Blackshields and Chimarae?

Retaliation

• Preface [TBD]
• Introduction [to be done]
• Foleith (prologue, VE) [Complete]
• Evacuation of Thelum (VE and WoL vs WoP) [Complete]
• The Eastern Fringe (DS vs SL and Drowned, followed by Predators) [WIP]

Emancipation

• Preface [TBD]
• Introduction [to be done}
• Siege of Delos (HW vs EW) [Early WIP]
• Battle of Revan (SH vs WB) [Very early WIP]
• Fire Keepers vs Berserkers? [Hypothetical]

Escalation (Or Decimation, though my vote would be Eradication or Conflagration)

• Preface [Complete]
• Introduction: The Torn Veil [to be done]
• Blood Crusade general (CL vs BoS and EW) [WIP]
• Cadia (same as above, but with IB and possibly Nightguard in supporting role - this could be misremembered on my part) [Early WIP]

Secession

• Preface [TBD]
• Introduction: Turned Cloaks [to be done]
• First Battle of Xandria [Hypothetical]

Hypothetical at this stage and no place set: Recantation

• Various smaller campaigns, taking in the Shepherds of Eden, Grey Wardens, Morning Stars and Hammers of Malis as well as Blackshields

Edited May 30, 2019 by bluntblade

[simison]

I agree with Book 1 and Book 2. After that, it gets confusing. Also, if we're just using the one-word, -tion words, shouldn't Book 1 just be Revelation?