Ulrik_Ironfist Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 So I pretty much know how I'm going to do my Solar Auxilia forces for HH. Those are pretty straightforward. What I need help with is my Raven Guard. I've been looking into the rites of war, and I've kinda settled on a couple of options. I have enough models that I can field my squads a couple of ways. But the one that sticks with me is the pride of the legion, where I take my Basic marines as veterans. Allowing me to take them with the same loadout as 40k tactical marines (although this forces a smaller model count, which is not necessarily a good thing). Another option I have is to field minimum legion tac squads, or one large tac squad. I can also field a full assault squad, but my assault marines all look to have newer armor (MKV and up) while my tacticals have MKIV armor (My tacticals came from the BaC box). Pride of the legion also frees up elites slots for things I want like Contemptors and other dreads. Big question is, which rites of war would work best with the XIX Legion? Bear in mind, I still want this force to be modular so I can still use it in 40k with C:SM rules. Any Suggestions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325809-ulrik-and-the-horus-heresy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCelticRaven Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 So I pretty much know how I'm going to do my Solar Auxilia forces for HH. Those are pretty straightforward. What I need help with is my Raven Guard. I've been looking into the rites of war, and I've kinda settled on a couple of options. I have enough models that I can field my squads a couple of ways. But the one that sticks with me is the pride of the legion, where I take my Basic marines as veterans. Allowing me to take them with the same loadout as 40k tactical marines (although this forces a smaller model count, which is not necessarily a good thing). Another option I have is to field minimum legion tac squads, or one large tac squad. I can also field a full assault squad, but my assault marines all look to have newer armor (MKV and up) while my tacticals have MKIV armor (My tacticals came from the BaC box). Pride of the legion also frees up elites slots for things I want like Contemptors and other dreads. Big question is, which rites of war would work best with the XIX Legion? Bear in mind, I still want this force to be modular so I can still use it in 40k with C:SM rules. Any Suggestions? The Decapitation strike Rite of War is really good for the ravens, especially if you want them to also be used in 40k it's pretty standard just with drop pods and a bunch of special rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325809-ulrik-and-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-4501072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted September 13, 2016 Author Share Posted September 13, 2016 I have a few more questions. Mostly about the Praetor. If I take the command squad, can all of the body guards take a pair of Raven's Talons? The way I understand the rules they can, which would be nice considering I'm using 40k models (at least for my jump infantry, and my shrike model is what's going to be my praetor). It'd really be cool if I could take 3 bodyguards with my Praetor, all equipped with a pair of Raven's Talons. Basically I'm having to split up my jump infantry models, the way I equip the squad is sgt with combat shield and thunder hammer, with artificer armor, then 2 guys trade their CCW's for Power Axes. I have to raid my Vanguard vets for the appropriate models, but that's ok. That leaves me with 3 dual claw jump marines and I wanted to use them as a bodyguard for my Praetor. I'm not entirely sure that I'm wanting to commit fully to 30k, and I'll likely be facing 40k armies with any of the 30k forces I put together. I do however have one opponent that will likely be willing to play 30k against 30k. How do 30k armies stack up against 40k armies? Is SA and LA "competitive" (that is, do I stand a decent chance of winning) with 40k? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325809-ulrik-and-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-4501127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supe robot gangster #1 Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 In my experience in playing against 40k with 30k, you will struggle against formation heavy lists, if your opponent is running a CAD it evens out a little bit more, but some of the power codexs will always be at an advantage rules wise (not necessarily generalship wise). It also depends on what kind of player you are playing agains, power gamers who take certain lists will not be an enjoyable game for you at all. It is possible to win against 40k with heresy, but it depends on quite a lot of factors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325809-ulrik-and-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-4501192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted September 14, 2016 Author Share Posted September 14, 2016 Ok. Well, I don't typically play against too much power-gaming cheese, so that shouldn't be an issue. I mean with my friends I'll face tau and necrons more often than not. So for my Raven Guard I was thinking of going drop pod heavy, which is what I was considering for them in 40k. I have 5 drop pods, which I think would suit the Raven Guard better than rhinos. I'm still trying to get the feel for how to build Legion lists, so I'll have ton's of questions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325809-ulrik-and-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-4501228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supe robot gangster #1 Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 If you are heart set on using drop pods that limits you to two types of lists. Orbital assault or the Raven guard unique ROW. The downside to orbital assault is everything needs to be in pods, have deepstrike or have a vehicle with deepstrike that can transport them, and of course units with pods have to begin in them ( doesn't apply to any other unit other than flyers). The downside to the Raven guard ROW is that you only have one heavy slot available. It really depends on what direction you want your army overall to go in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325809-ulrik-and-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-4501263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supe robot gangster #1 Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 If you are heart set on using drop pods that limits you to two types of lists. Orbital assault or the Raven guard unique ROW. The downside to orbital assault is everything needs to be in pods, have deepstrike or have a vehicle with deepstrike that can transport them, and of course units with pods have to begin in them ( doesn't apply to any other unit other than flyers). The downside to the Raven guard ROW is that you only have one heavy slot available. It really depends on what direction you want your army overall to go in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325809-ulrik-and-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-4501290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted September 14, 2016 Author Share Posted September 14, 2016 I mean I'm not dead set on drop pods, but I do like them a lot, and Raven Guard lend themselves to it. I'm used to playing a drop pod list. My Space Wolves were my drop pod list for the longest time, but I'm taking them a slightly different direction now. I do want a list that compliments the solar auxilia I have planned (which will be running mechanized). I'm also looking to do this raven guard with minimal cost and hassle. As much as I'd like to run Sicarans, I think I'll save that for my Space Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325809-ulrik-and-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-4501295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supe robot gangster #1 Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Will you be using the solar aux as an allied detachment? If so that can somewhat negate the negatives of the Ravenguard ROW, seeing as you can essentially take a heavy support tank squad as heavy support and fast attack. Or work really well with an orbital assault list. Make an armoured fire base with the solar, and drop pod marines to eliminate armoured or heavy weapon threats. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325809-ulrik-and-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-4501325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted September 14, 2016 Author Share Posted September 14, 2016 I was thinking I could do it either way, maybe the Raven guard as an allied detachment, or the solar auxilia as one. Depending on how I felt like playing the list. Because either way they both compliment each other. I would probably use the raven guard as allies more frequently, just so I could get more tanks and use the raven guard as a hard hitting alpha strike. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325809-ulrik-and-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-4501861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted September 15, 2016 Author Share Posted September 15, 2016 When you use allies in HH, do you have to use the Allied Detachment, or can you take a second Age Of Darkness force as an ally as in 40k? I know that Imperial Forces fought filthy xenos scum during the heresy, mainly orks and eldar, how would SA or RG stack up against them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325809-ulrik-and-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-4503169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 You'd have to use an allied detachment, HH follows the rules for all the pre-multiple detachments/formations craziness of 7th edition 40k. 30k lists are not balanced for facing 40k armies. The problem is 30k units have a base higher pts cost, that goes down the more models you add to the unit, so 30k armies are ill suited to lower pts games or taking smaller units. 40k units on the other hand have no such problem and the pts cost of taking two units of ten ork boyz or one unit of twenty is the same. You certainly can play 30k on 40k, but I wouldn't want to do it against an op eldar list. The thing I love about 30k is not having to face that stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325809-ulrik-and-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-4503196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrik_Ironfist Posted September 15, 2016 Author Share Posted September 15, 2016 You'd have to use an allied detachment, HH follows the rules for all the pre-multiple detachments/formations craziness of 7th edition 40k. That's what I figured, but I needed to ask. Certainly simplifies things doesn't it? Can you only take one allied detachment? Or can you take 2? For Instance If I wanted to Take AoD Solar Auxilia, with Allied Knights would I have to forego allied RG, and vice versa? The way I'm understanding what you said, I'm thinking no, but I have to ask, because in 6th edition you could IIRC. 30k lists are not balanced for facing 40k armies. The problem is 30k units have a base higher pts cost, that goes down the more models you add to the unit, so 30k armies are ill suited to lower pts games or taking smaller units. 40k units on the other hand have no such problem and the pts cost of taking two units of ten ork boyz or one unit of twenty is the same. You certainly can play 30k on 40k, but I wouldn't want to do it against an op eldar list. The thing I love about 30k is not having to face that stuff. I've noticed that, and I agree. I have an eldar list that I built as a guideline for a 2k point army (I want to build another eldar army), that doesn't cheese it up so much, which is the list I'd likely be facing with a 30k army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325809-ulrik-and-the-horus-heresy/#findComment-4503207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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