Nomus Sardauk Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 If I recall correctly Vizenko disappears in the aftermath of the Prosecution, never to be seen again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326459-loc-the-suzerainty/page/2/#findComment-4520057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 They could make use of quads like the Warthoggs of Halo So rather bikes/quads/trikes with light transporters like Rhinos / razorback and very few heavy support tanks Like 40k marines, equipped with the easiest stuff to produce Plus Las technology like we discussed it earlier Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326459-loc-the-suzerainty/page/2/#findComment-4520060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 If I recall correctly Vizenko disappears in the aftermath of the Prosecution, never to be seen again. He's cropped up in a story by Sigi since then Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326459-loc-the-suzerainty/page/2/#findComment-4520063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Laslocks would make for an appropriate 'low-tech' replacement for bolters, possibly give the Advanced Weapons upgrade option to some units. So with regular Laslocks they'd be cheaper than normal, but the upgrade would make them nearly the same as normal marines (~5pts more than regular). In either case that is a discussion for later, but I just wanted to make the suggestion before I forget. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326459-loc-the-suzerainty/page/2/#findComment-4520083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 This all sounds great to me. My idea is that Jade creates the False Primarch, FP turns on him, cue War of the False Primarch, Jade goes all Dr. Frankenstein and is determined to hunt him down, the two confront each other and fight to both of their deaths. That's drastically different from what I had in mind. In my vision of events, the FP murders Jade early on, taking command of the Suzerainty as a whole, and declaring a war against the Imperium after centuries of non-aggression pacts. The Genesis Legion and the Cohorts fight for decades until a kill-team of several Cohort Masters manage to corner the False Primarch and end him. Now, time to get my tablet on, and sketch stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326459-loc-the-suzerainty/page/2/#findComment-4520091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Laslocks would make for an appropriate 'low-tech' replacement for bolters, possibly give the Advanced Weapons upgrade option to some units. So with regular Laslocks they'd be cheaper than normal, but the upgrade would make them nearly the same as normal marines (~5pts more than regular). In either case that is a discussion for later, but I just wanted to make the suggestion before I forget. How about we keep bolters but have them fire lower tech ammo? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326459-loc-the-suzerainty/page/2/#findComment-4520119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 This all sounds great to me. My idea is that Jade creates the False Primarch, FP turns on him, cue War of the False Primarch, Jade goes all Dr. Frankenstein and is determined to hunt him down, the two confront each other and fight to both of their deaths. That's drastically different from what I had in mind. In my vision of events, the FP murders Jade early on, taking command of the Suzerainty as a whole, and declaring a war against the Imperium after centuries of non-aggression pacts. The Genesis Legion and the Cohorts fight for decades until a kill-team of several Cohort Masters manage to corner the False Primarch and end him. Now, time to get my tablet on, and sketch stuff. Well, that's new. The first version put forward had Jade die in to the FP early on, but then it was Kozja who fights the FP and slays it. It was planned to be a Suzerainty-only affair, since the Imperium, under Hectarion was battling an extra-galactic threat in the galactic north. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326459-loc-the-suzerainty/page/2/#findComment-4520354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Productivity of the day: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326459-loc-the-suzerainty/page/2/#findComment-4520441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Productivity of the day: YES! All of the YES!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326459-loc-the-suzerainty/page/2/#findComment-4520779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Ooh, spiffy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326459-loc-the-suzerainty/page/2/#findComment-4520795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Drakzilla~ Posted October 4, 2016 Author Share Posted October 4, 2016 Perhaps we could incorporate more of a rugged, utilitarian aspect to the marines to help differentiate the Suzerain marines from the Imperial space marines. Is anyone familiar with the artwork of Theo Stylianides? He has done actual art for 40k but some of his recent ones could work for the aesthetic of the new marines of the Suzerainty; just picture them with the gunmetal/blue color scheme. http://img09.deviantart.net/1572/i/2014/235/3/f/tacticalmarine_by_sttheo-d7wcjqk.jpg http://img10.deviantart.net/7a65/i/2015/342/c/f/bug_demolisher_by_sttheo-d7n0g8i.jpg http://pre09.deviantart.net/08f1/th/pre/i/2016/141/f/8/wwi_order_knight_by_sttheo-da38uf4.jpg http://img15.deviantart.net/d447/i/2015/342/6/d/assault_marine_by_sttheo-d7sxp0i.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326459-loc-the-suzerainty/page/2/#findComment-4520879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generalripphook Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 If these "marines" are more powerful than a normal marine wouldn't it make sense that they would rather close into melee where their superiority would be more apparent? I think that could help back that they have lower developed weapons (aka laslocks) and more of an emphases on melee weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326459-loc-the-suzerainty/page/2/#findComment-4520893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Drak the only trouble I have with tht style is(as always) that I feel that takes them too far from the established look for sm. Sure their look can be changed a bit but they still need to be instantly recognizable as sm. 'Course the Suzerainty isn' my legions empire but that's my opinion And since when were Suzerainty marines more poweeful? I thought there ere just more of them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326459-loc-the-suzerainty/page/2/#findComment-4520895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 And since when were Suzerainty marines more poweeful? I thought there ere just more of them I think they're referring to the Genesis Legionnaires, who are genetic-chimeras with the the combined strengths of all 20 legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326459-loc-the-suzerainty/page/2/#findComment-4520904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 What about taking some influences from Tau battle suit and implement them in the Genesis legions armor? More edges, bulkier, a bit like the Damocles pattern from the Dornian heresy? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326459-loc-the-suzerainty/page/2/#findComment-4520915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Drakzilla~ Posted October 4, 2016 Author Share Posted October 4, 2016 @Sigismund: Actually, I'd agree that going with the exact style from the images I showed would be a bit too much, but a simplified version with less pouches and whatnot is more what I had in mind. Just using those as a veeeery rough guideline. @Kelborn: Yeah kinda like the angular tau look with maybe some more exposed mechanical bits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326459-loc-the-suzerainty/page/2/#findComment-4520916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generalripphook Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Well they would still be recognizable as space marines with a new "mark" I mean unless we are planing on building actual models for them....does it matter? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326459-loc-the-suzerainty/page/2/#findComment-4521025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I would say yes they very much need to be still obvious Astartes. And it matters as there will be some building forces of them, also we need a solid basis for Artwork for the books with them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326459-loc-the-suzerainty/page/2/#findComment-4521116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Pondering the Newborn and the idea that he might kill the Jade General, I was reminded of the "I want more life, fether" scene from Blade Runner. Not sure if that'd fit, but hey ho. Also, a question: how does the Jade General's wilful ignorance of the Warp come into play when he tries to create a Primarch? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326459-loc-the-suzerainty/page/2/#findComment-4521150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I think there's another reason for not using that style: it doesn't fit with the suzerainty's aesthetic of assumed nobility, and near renaissance to the imperium's gothic aesthetic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326459-loc-the-suzerainty/page/2/#findComment-4521191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I would like to see a similar aesthetic elsewhere though. Dornian Heresy had its own marks, after all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326459-loc-the-suzerainty/page/2/#findComment-4521246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Well we have the exile imperium. They could field such a style. We had the discussiom for an own armor mark before and the consesnus was no new armor mark, we rename the mkVI to jackal pattern or so. Only legions I see who could field "special" PA are the drowned and the scions as they might have apecialzed armor for underwatermadness @Skal: I like the colorscheme Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326459-loc-the-suzerainty/page/2/#findComment-4521261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Plus we have to keep in mind that these minis have to be playable. What do I mean? In order to play underwater missions (with the appropriate gear) AND the Genesis Legion (as a normal player), one need appropriate models. Without minis, no game. Though you could use normal minis and say that they are special but that's not the same. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326459-loc-the-suzerainty/page/2/#findComment-4521268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I would like to see a similar aesthetic elsewhere though. Dornian Heresy had its own marks, after all. Oh, I'm all for giving the Suzerainty its own armour mark - you are right in that it should have its own aesthetic in order to differentiate it from the Imperium. However, I don't think the "Utilitarian" aspect of those examples fit with how the Suzerainty feels in my head. Of course, the Suzerainty isn't my brain child, so my opinion's won't have as much weight as other members X) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326459-loc-the-suzerainty/page/2/#findComment-4521269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Oh oh oh oh !!!! How about, giving the Suzerainty a Galactic Empire vibe? ^^ Currently at work, so I can't paste a link but have a look via google: Darth Vader 40k first image BADASS!!! (Don't take this post seriously. Just popped up in my head.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/326459-loc-the-suzerainty/page/2/#findComment-4521278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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