Codex: Imperial Agents

[Blackarmor_redtruth]

Command Squads are indeed an Elites choices, so we can now fit another 10 special/heavy weapons into a CAD if only fielding one Canoness.

Very excited on this. One. Point. Rest seems absent minded in classic GW manor, general new direction and goodies aside like garbage. Thanks GW.

[Spacefrisian]

I remember a time when a Canoness could be given a jumppack....

[tvih]

A jump pack Canoness would indeed be nice. But noo, instead let's remove existing options :( Because Inferno and Eviscerator indeed were both in the kit - it's definitely an Eviscerator rather than a chainsword because it has a long enough handle for two-handed use.

[Banjulhu]

hang on, do Seraphim still have inferno pistols?

Their upgarde was part of their unit entry so we dont know yet but I'm going to guess no because like the Eviserator Canoness there is not actually a model for inferno pistol seraphim.

 

This is of course all just assumption making and for some weird reason the Eviserator and Inferno Pistol upgrades could have been placed directly in the Canoness' page but that is not how things usally roll with weapon options.

[tvih]

hang on, do Seraphim still have inferno pistols?

Their upgarde was part of their unit entry so we dont know yet but I'm going to guess no because like the Eviserator Canoness there is not actually a model for inferno pistol seraphim.

But like I mentioned above, Canoness model DOES have an Eviscerator Or at the very least it can very easily and feasibly be used as such.

[Banjulhu]

hang on, do Seraphim still have inferno pistols?

Their upgarde was part of their unit entry so we dont know yet but I'm going to guess no because like the Eviserator Canoness there is not actually a model for inferno pistol seraphim.

But like I mentioned above, Canoness model DOES have an Eviscerator Or at the very least it can very easily and feasibly be used as such.

No she does not. The normal GW ones came with either a book, chainsword or power sword in one hand and a gun in the other.

[tvih]

 

 

 

No she does not. The normal GW ones came with either a book, chainsword or power sword in one hand and a gun in the other.

 

The "chainsword" that comes with the Canoness has a two-handed grip and is of at least equal size to the eviscerators carried by the Repentia. How is that not perfectly valid to use as an Eviscerator?

[Banjulhu]

I would personally argue that the things in the hands of the repentia models are far too small and thin to be classed as eviserators to begin with but that is a different argument.

 

However there is nothing wrong with deciding that the sword is an eviserator but equally there is nothing wrong with the rules designers looking at the model and going "Nope she only has a chainsword".

 

If we are lucky it may just have been moved to her unit entry with her inferno pistol to pad out the entry a bit so it does not look depressingly lacking.

[Grgobart]

I am pretty upset about St Celestine, but to be fair, I wouldn't have been too happy about any grunt and his dog being capable of adding St Celestine into his army (solo as part of the Sisters' mini detachment), without even having to bother about adding and other Sisters at all!

 

Quite funny to me, is the Command squad and some mentioning, using them as auxialliary Retributers. Looking back, wasn't that exaclty how the Celestians were portayed in DoW Soulstorm?

More important though, why exactly would I take the normal Celestian Squad over the Command Squad now?

 

 

Did I get that right: Crusaders, Acro-Flagellants and Death Cult Assassins are now seperate units?

So, we now have a specialist Close-Combat Unit for just about anything:

 - Repentia, against vehicles, MCs and 2+ armour units.

 - Acro-Flagellants to dish out loads of non-AP wounds.

 - Death Cult Assassins for a bunch of AP 3 wounds and the added bonus of quite often striking first.

and finally

 - Crusaders for actually standing a chance to get into Close-Combat!

Great!!!

 

Maybe we could get something similar for Troops:

Instead of the Battle Sister Squad, we could get a "Sisters of Battle armoured Squad" with Power Armour and Shield of Faith, but no weapons and as a second choice a "Sisters of Battle Bolter Squad" armed with Bolters and grenades and no save whatsoever!

 

 

Speaking of unarmoued Sisters

The "chainsword" that comes with the Canoness has a two-handed grip and is of at least equal size to the eviscerators carried by the Repentia. How is that not perfectly valid to use as an Eviscerator?

And to close the circle: save for the two-handed grip, the eviscerators of the Repentia models are the same size and length as any other chainsword in the Sisters' model range. Intentional ambivalence or just too lazy to sculpt? I'll keep my guess to myself!

 

 

Finally, and I'm quite surprised it's this of all things that bothers me the most, is HOW, and more importantly WHY, did GW mutilate the Sisters' Fleur-de-Lys to the point, where it looks like it could be the emblem of an unknown Eladar Craftworld???

[Servant of Dante]

Well I had a pre-order set up for the codex, and a bunch of other models. The more I read and saw about the codex I became more and more disappointed. I cancel the entire $185.00 order. I decided to vote with my wallet, I hope others do the same.

*Slips GW $250 under the table*

what? I'm supporting the Sisters line of models!

A jump pack Canoness would indeed be nice. But noo, instead let's remove existing options Because Inferno and Eviscerator indeed were both in the kit - it's definitely an Eviscerator rather than a chainsword because it has a long enough handle for two-handed use.

I really think it was a chainsword. It just looked too short compared to the model to be an evicerator to me. Anyway, I cut the blade off mine and replaced it with 2 space marine chainsword blades glued end to end :P

[tvih]

Well, other than the rules saying it is two-handed, what says Eviscerator has to be huge? It's not like chainfists have massive chainsaw sections to be able to cut through things and whatnot. How would a S3 model even wave around a weapon the size of a space marine terminator? :P 

[Servant of Dante]

Well, other than the rules saying it is two-handed, what says Eviscerator has to be huge? It's not like chainfists have massive chainsaw sections to be able to cut through things and whatnot. How would a S3 model even wave around a weapon the size of a space marine terminator?

I know. It's just personal preference on my part. And how does she wield it?

Well . . . she does one-hand the thing, her other hand being too busy shooting people with a pistol.

The most ridiculous idea I've had is that it involves a combination of a ball-bearing-like hilt that magnetizes to the palm of her gauntlet, some kind of gyro at the end of the blade, and rocket-propulsion on the back of the blade. So she'd grip the hilt to get the thing moving in the right direction, then let go, fire the rockets, and let the thing cut its way through whatever is in front of it, then kill the rockets and grab the hand grip before the thing comes around and cuts her in half.

Or, she's just cool enough that she can one hand a sword as long as she is tall :D

[WarriorFish]

Just more reason to look forward to the revamped plastic range that can return these options. The only question is, as ever; when.

[Servant of Dante]

Just more reason to look forward to the revamped plastic range that can return these options. The only question is, as ever; when.

Only the Emperor knows, but I think the bright red line screaming at everyone in all caps from my signature might be relevant here :P

[A.T.]

I know. It's just personal preference on my part. And how does she wield it?

Power armour.

 

It's the same dinky little S6 one that unaugmented humans/repentia use.

[Isolia]

Incidentally a few editions back only our priests and sisters (mostly repentia ) had it, not the IG priest, then later came the space marine sergeants (because they had no efficient weapon for melee.. ;) )

 

So the size is about right to me, the one-hand wielding can be attributed to power armor and faith, obviously :)

[Servant of Dante]

 

 

I know. It's just personal preference on my part. And how does she wield it?

Power armour.

 

It's the same dinky little S6 one that unaugmented humans/repentia use.

But . . . Mine explaination was more fun :P

 

Plus, I modeled her Evicerator to be about half again as long as the Repentias'

[Montford]

Hm.

 

I've seen a few posts about the Canoness not being able to carry an eviscerator but I haven't seen that her Codex entry has yet been leaked.

 

Tlhe Sister Superiors in the Squads can take one, so I don't see why a Canoness would not be able to do so as well. (per the Wargear List on the BoLS video, and the Battle Sisters Squad entry in same.)

[Banjulhu]

Hm.

 

I've seen a few posts about the Canoness not being able to carry an eviscerator but I haven't seen that her Codex entry has yet been leaked.

 

Tlhe Sister Superiors in the Squads can take one, so I don't see why a Canoness would not be able to do so as well. (per the Wargear List on the BoLS video, and the Battle Sisters Squad entry in same.)

The options on the spoiled sqaud page for Superiors does not have one for an Eviserator option just a "... may takes items from the Adepta Sororitas Melee Weapons and/or Ranged Weapons lists" and the spoiled wargear page has an Eviserator listed in the Melee Weapons list but there is a footnote linked to it saying "Ministorum Priests Only".

 

Given that the Eviserator is listed in the Wargear list page but with limitations it is unlikely to then be on a model's options individually especially given that so far most of what has been seen is a copy-paste job with deletions.

[Ramza]

I thought there was hard evidence from a leaked Cannoness unit entry that 100% confirmed no Evicerator. 

 

I am going to wait for the full codex release before I start whining about anything. My jump pack, evicerator weilding Cannoness may still be a reality! Positive thoughts people. :D

[Montford]

Banjulhu you must have a better resolution of that image than I do, so I will have to bow to your assessment.

[ValourousHeart]

I would personally argue that the things in the hands of the repentia models are far too small and thin to be classed as eviserators to begin with but that is a different argument.

 

However there is nothing wrong with deciding that the sword is an eviserator but equally there is nothing wrong with the rules designers looking at the model and going "Nope she only has a chainsword".

 

If we are lucky it may just have been moved to her unit entry with her inferno pistol to pad out the entry a bit so it does not look depressingly lacking.

 

Well your perception of the Repentia's evisorators smallness doesn't hold up to a model by model comparison.

 

I wanted to make evisorators for some models that didn't come with them so I went and checked a bunch of models to make sure that what I was making would look accurate without being comically exaggerated in size.

 

I ended up checking about a dozen different chain sword models and every evisorator model out at the time, across IG, SOB and SM ranges.

All of the chain swords were about the same size, or less than 1 tooth difference in length.

All of the evisorators were within about 1 tooth of each other also.

 

And the smallest chain sword to the largest evisorator were only 3 teeth different in length.

The largest chain sword and the smallest evisorator were about 2 teeth different in length.

 

Ironically I found that there was a greater degree of variation in the size of stormbolters across the 3 ranges.

[Canadian_F_H]

Wow... so about to be wodens dag and still no actual leaked images?

 

Seams with each new release the leak gap is tightening more and more...

 

 

 

Also I apologize for my gloomier predictions about C:IA as the truth seams darker...

[Goonbandito]

Picked up the codex - Canoness can still take Eviscerators and Inferno Pistols so there is no need to worry about that.  Canoness Veridyan has a dataslate (85pts, comes with a Power Sword and a rule that grants Precision Shots/Precision Strikes to Sister units within 12").

 

Check my post in the News and Announcement thread for more details http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328418-codex-imperial-agents/page-36?do=findComment&comment=4592338

[Ramza]

Positivity FTW! I said the whole 'no eviscerator' was probably lies. 

 

Super happy she kept the inferno pistols as well.