Arkaniss Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Cheers Hod, sounds like a viable solution. Maybe the model is far more durable that it looks but I'll only know that when it's in my hands. I was always concerned over the tabs for the Seraphim now that I think about it but I've never had one of them break in well over a decade... so perhaps I'm worrying over nothing! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/8/#findComment-4610384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T. Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Does anyone have any experience with scroll-floating Sigmarine models to share? In regard to strengthening the model somehow? I'm concerned the scroll work holding her up will break easily. I've got the entire celestant prime wings and backpack stuck to a metal celestine, front heavy, and that's just held up by two thin bits of plastic. Strong enough to play with though i'd be worried about it snapping in transit - GW plastic is pretty strong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/8/#findComment-4610397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted January 3, 2017 Author Share Posted January 3, 2017 From Warhamms-77 on Dakka: In the Fall of Cadia book are two new detachments for the Imperium - quoting from the english WD one is for 'combined forces of the Imperium' and the other 'combined forces of the Adeptus Mechanicus'. Plus a formation called Triumvirate for the three new character models. There are new 'relics and arcana for the Ecclesiarchy, and the Adeptus Mechanicus respectively', 'Inquisition Tactical Objectives', the d66 'Empyric Storm chart' and 4 Echo of war missions. EDIT: I stand corrected, the battle report says new formations for Chaos but the actual book preview doesnt... Echoes of War missions: - Cawl vs Orks on Eriad VI - in the bowels of the Imperial Fist fortress starship The Phalanx where Daemons run riot - 3rd and 4th scenario are on Cadia (the last mission is used for the battle report) So no new individual armies, just combined ones. But Sisters and the Mechanicus are seeing some toys finally in the form of new relics. Yay? EDIT: posted by RedS8n on Dakka: Inquisitor has access to telepathy school --and also has "Aura of Oppression" Cawl uses a war hymn to give vehicles in 12" of him a 5++ save. His solar atomiser glances and then destroys ( last Hull point possibly ? ) a land raider. Possibly aided by another hymn/canticle. Saint seems to rally/aid morale of units. Some fleeing guard rally when she arrives by DS. Looks like she can return from the dead still/again too. Edit 2 Electric Boogaloo: Petre translated a Spanish site for this one: Receive information from the next pre - order Games Workshop will launch soon: all hope Fall of Cadia, the first book of the Gathering Storm collection. It is a hardcover book of 136 pages in Castilian with a narrative campaign. It has a price of 40 €. Triumvirate presents the Imperium - Celestine the Living Saint, Archmagos Dominus Belisarius Cawl and Katarinya Greyfax the Ordo Inquisitor Hereticus. This book tells the story of how Abaddon the Despoiler deals a severe blow to the Empire with his attack on the planet Cadia. The book contains: Complete rules for the Inquisitor Greyfax, Belisarius Cawl and Celestine. Triumvirate Imperium - training to use these three characters together in one game. Six new Relics for Ecclesiarchy and six Mechanicum Arcana objects, which can be used by the forces of the Adept Sororitas and Cults Mechanicum. Training for The Grand Convocation and Imperial Crusade - combines the Cult Mechanicus, Skitarii and the Imperial Knights in an army. The other combines the Black Templars and Adepta Sororitas. Battlezone: Empyric Storms - rules for the effects of the thunder storms that lash Cadia. Four new missions. Gathering Storm Fall of Cadia Excellent illustration, apart from unpublished because it shows Marines in retreat. And who is the character in the red armor? Additionally also they are available with the book of the Gathering Storm campaign: Fall of Cadia Battlezone deck of cards: Empyric Storms Cards: 36 cards detailing the events of warp storms. The cards can be used in any game of Warhammer 40,000 and serve for any army - it contains additional rules for psychic phase and additional effects for games. Box The Triumvirate of the Imperium (65 €), it contains five plastic miniatures whose rules are in the book Fall of Cadia: Inquisitor Greyfax Belisarius Cawl Celestine accompanied by his loyal Geminae Superia - The Eleanor Genevieve and sisters. There will be more special characters. Of Chaos. Source: whatsapp Miniwars Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/8/#findComment-4610581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackScorpion22 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 interesting the spanish translation says sister and black templar form a detachment/formation, but in the batrep the imperial guy says his cadians and templars form a formation. Also, if the sisters and templar get a combo decurion formation it is possible we will be able to run formations entirely compose of sisters within the decurion detachment. Hopefully GW learned form the hype that Traitor Legions generated compared to the poop-storm that the lack of CIA information caused and loosen the gag order a bit for this next release, thus allowing us to get more information soon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/8/#findComment-4610672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Aznable Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 I'm a bit confused as to why they lumped all those models in together. I don't mind the Inquisitor as I want her too but I have no need for Cawl and I suspect when this box is released there will be a glut of spare Cawl's people will be fruitlessly trying to sell off They know at least one of those models is a must-have for lots of people. Those people might be tempted to explore collecting the armies of the cool models they got when they bought the box for that one they wanted. Even if they don't make the usual mark-up for the models by themselves, they still win if even a small portion of people buy into a new army because of the bundle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/8/#findComment-4610793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 I'm not sure if I want the new models anymore. The more I look at her wings the less I like them, but the Gemeni look cool, but I'm not sure. I'll probably get them eventually. I do of course still want the rules Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/8/#findComment-4610815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackarmor_redtruth Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I like the older Celestine more thus far. I will get this new one for modeling and collecting (and witch hunting), and I guess the robo guy will be a neat model to make and paint on the side perhaps (as mentioned earlier, ebay will be swollen with this so I might as well give it a go.) I really want to see the formations, and hopefully there are more than just one for us. Right now I'm nervous this will be lip service to sell books for the Sisters players. I want more than just some silly vetigal strike force formation or priestly presence for other armies. Give us some fun stuff! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/8/#findComment-4611211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I just hope the combined BT+SoB formation isn't a disappointment! Interested to see what the 6 new relics are, as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/8/#findComment-4611222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted January 4, 2017 Author Share Posted January 4, 2017 So Celestine now comes with a Bolt Pistol (good for the bonus attack) but those birds were called "psychic doves" in the WD (freaking heresy!). http://i.imgur.com/Pph6CMo.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/8/#findComment-4611314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjulhu Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Maybe the detachment in Codex: Imperial Agents was a sign of things to come.The Sisters wont get new ways to build an army that improves what it can do over a CAD list as long as it meets certain mandatory requirements, no instead we will get a full multi-formation detatchment with a set of harsher requirments that makes the army even less effective.I can see it now.Every formation will have a Celestian tax and in exchange we will get bonuses like -1 to Ld when testing for an Act of Faith and the need to re-roll sucessful Shield of Faith saves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/8/#findComment-4611616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted January 4, 2017 Author Share Posted January 4, 2017 Well that is one way to set the bar lower to ensure you aren't disappointed by the actual release but it seems unrealistic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/8/#findComment-4611658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackScorpion22 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 As I've said before, I am happy with current sisters statlines and special rules (although a lot of things could do with a decrease in points cost), but what this campaign book really needs to do is give us access to a solid decurion-style detachment/formation so that we can play the special-rules-stacked-upon-special-rules game that warhammer has become. Where is my formation boosting army-wide shield of Faith invul to 5++, which can then be boosted by having Jacobus join the unit! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/8/#findComment-4611710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 As I've said before, I am happy with current sisters statlines and special rules (although a lot of things could do with a decrease in points cost), but what this campaign book really needs to do is give us access to a solid decurion-style detachment/formation so that we can play the special-rules-stacked-upon-special-rules game that warhammer has become. Where is my formation boosting army-wide shield of Faith invul to 5++, which can then be boosted by having Jacobus join the unit! As well as +1 act of faith use... And reroll exorcist dice if taken in groups of 3... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/8/#findComment-4611720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Actually Jacobus doesn't improve the SoF save. He gives a 5++ to models in his unit with SoF so a +1 to invulnerable saves granted by SoF wouldn't stack with his bonus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/8/#findComment-4611847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted January 4, 2017 Author Share Posted January 4, 2017 From the WD on what is actually in the book: The Fall of Cadia story is accompanied by four Echoes of War missions, which enable you to recreate the story on the battlefield. The first battle is between Belisarius Cawl and the Orks on Eriad VI, the second takes place in the bowels of the Phalanx where Daemons run riot, while the third and fourth missions are fought on Cadia itself. The fourth scenario, the Emperor Protects, we actually play through later in this issue (here). The scenarios are accompanied by two new Detachments, one representing a combined army of the Imperium, and another the combined forces of the Adeptus Mechanicus. There are also a host of other special rules in the book, including datasheets for all three new characters, a new formation featuring the Triumvirate, new relics and arcana for the Ecclesiarchy and the Adeptus Mechanicus respectively, Inquisition Tactical Objectives and the Empyric Storm chart. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/8/#findComment-4612186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 You know, I'm not sure I'm the one to do it, but someone needs to model Greyfax on a Penitent Engine as soon as she comes out. I mean, if I get the new models, I certainly have no use for a witch Inquisitor, so I'll be cutting off her Condemner boltgun, and I have an unassembled Penitent Engine just laying around . . . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/8/#findComment-4612304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 A cruel thing to do to a nice-looking model though - after all you can just run her as a generic Inquisitor too rather than her original witchy self ;) Overall I must say it's pretty cool having Fists, Templars and Sisters sort of together in the limelight. Once we can get more detailed information and it looks sensible, if I can afford it this might actually become my first campaign book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/8/#findComment-4612390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 A cruel thing to do to a nice-looking model though - after all you can just run her as a generic Inquisitor too rather than her original witchy self Overall I must say it's pretty cool having Fists, Templars and Sisters sort of together in the limelight. Once we can get more detailed information and it looks sensible, if I can afford it this might actually become my first campaign book. No. I don't run Special Characters as generic models, and I don't use models with Special Character's rules except the correct GW model. It's a thing I do. That's why I was so disappointed to learn she's a freaking witch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/8/#findComment-4612401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvih Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Hehe, I understand, I'm kinda the same way actually! The only exceptions have been running a custom Emperor's Champion back when I didn't have an official one yet, and I think I might've test-run a custom Pedro Kantor once, also just before getting the real one. As for Greyfax, I'll definitely keep the model but I suppose using her on the table depends on her rules, plus her being of the witchy persuasion I'd be more inclined to run her with my CF/IF/IG than BT/SoB. Also I do have an Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor already, albeit unpainted - it's the plasma pistol version I bought with a bunch of used stuff (I'm not sure if the Inquisitor itself is used, it has zero signs of being painted or glued as far as I can tell), though I might've gotten the inferno pistol version had I realized it was still in production, that archaic inferno pistol looks wicked. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/8/#findComment-4612418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montford Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I haven't seen a close up of the new Inquisitor miniature but her art certainly looks interesting, and Katarinya Greyfax sounds like a fitting name for a Van Helsing - looking character. With her having issues with Saint Celestine, but also having to fight alongside her to stem the tide of Chaos, that's got a lot of potential for some interesting dynamics. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/8/#findComment-4612655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackScorpion22 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I was done with Greyfax the moment I read that she had a problem with Celestine, that is a road you do not go down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/8/#findComment-4612921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teetengee Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I was done with Greyfax the moment I read that she had a problem with Celestine, that is a road you do not go down. It's great though! She has been locked away in time for who knows how long, Celestine probably seems to be closer in some ways to mutant or daemon than good loyal human in Greyfax's eyes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/8/#findComment-4612939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 But Greyfax herself is the worst kind of mutant (and a powerful one at that)! :P I agree it's an interesting dynamic though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/8/#findComment-4612945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T. Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 It's great though! She has been locked away in time for who knows how long, Celestine probably seems to be closer in some ways to mutant or daemon than good loyal human in Greyfax's eyes. Though the ordo hereticus was formed after the exploits of saint Sabbat - unless Greyfax is from a different order she has been out of the loop for less than four thousand years. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/8/#findComment-4612972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
robofish7591 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 But Greyfax herself is the worst kind of mutant (and a powerful one at that)! I agree it's an interesting dynamic though Wouldn't the worst kind of mutant be the one that opposes the Emperor? Greyfax is fine, she is just out of the loop. Either way she will see the light, whether it is going to be the light of the Emperor, or the light from a flamer all depends on her attitude. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/8/#findComment-4613065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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