ThomasEll Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Celestine is back in stock, still in last chance to buy, but if you had wanted to get this cast before they release the new model then this is probably your last chance to do so. (Seriously glad I didn't end up paying almost double the price on an ebay auction for her a couple of days ago!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/9/#findComment-4613449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 It's great though! She has been locked away in time for who knows how long, Celestine probably seems to be closer in some ways to mutant or daemon than good loyal human in Greyfax's eyes. Though the ordo hereticus was formed after the exploits of saint Sabbat - unless Greyfax is from a different order she has been out of the loop for less than four thousand years. Ordo Hereticus was founded at the end of the Age of Apostasy, early M36. After Vandire. Sabbat's crusade ended 700 years before Vandire found the original Daughters of the Emperor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/9/#findComment-4613526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjulhu Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 What makes it a little dumb is that the Ordo Hereticus especially in the early days was expressly tasked with monitoring the big decisions made by the Ecclesiarchy so should be very aware what a living saint was and what they meant to the faithful because beatification is on of those big choices that needs review. If she is older she should be more acutely aware of what Celestine is and if she is younger she should be more in favour of Celestine. The necron bit I understand however particularly given as it seem the necron in question was the one that locked her away. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/9/#findComment-4613712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teetengee Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 What makes it a little dumb is that the Ordo Hereticus especially in the early days was expressly tasked with monitoring the big decisions made by the Ecclesiarchy so should be very aware what a living saint was and what they meant to the faithful because beatification is on of those big choices that needs review. If she is older she should be more acutely aware of what Celestine is and if she is younger she should be more in favour of Celestine. The necron bit I understand however particularly given as it seem the necron in question was the one that locked her away. To be fair, if she were older: knowing exactly what a living saint is might well be a negative, particularly if she ascribes to the notion that living saints are somehow warp touched. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/9/#findComment-4613931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Sefiel Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Hello I was done with Greyfax the moment I read that she had a problem with Celestine, that is a road you do not go down. It's great though! She has been locked away in time for who knows how long, Celestine probably seems to be closer in some ways to mutant or daemon than good loyal human in Greyfax's eyes. More importantly, she has a stupid hat. I hate stupid hats. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/9/#findComment-4614017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjulhu Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 I get the idea where some in the Imperium would question the nature of the divine power displayed by a Living Saint (and the Sisters of Battle to a lesser extent given they have the same power in more limited form) and odds are given the nature of humanity and the Emperor the divine acts that they preform actually are a sort of psychic/warp ability.However of all the people in existance an Puritan Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus (and possibly ex-Sororitas herself if the design blurb is anything to go by) is not going to be the one to cry "He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy." when the Imperium's number one heretic hating, witch burning, holy army of religious fanatics is there to say quite confidently "That's a Living Saint, a conclave of Ecchlesiarchy and Inquisition all said so." In a similar vein to the Warzone Fenris buggering up the space wolves and the existing fluff on the mark of the wulfen this feels a little too much like the story team not knowing enough about the background to the Ordo Hereticus, Sisters of Battle and Living Saints and making what is an indiviually logical narrative (person that hunts witches sees something that looks quite a bit like a witch, gets itchy trigger finger) which unfortunately then makes very little sense in the logic of the 40k setting Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/9/#findComment-4614025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Sefiel Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 HiI can see why Greyfax might find Celestine to be particularly strange, given some of her wacky new rules.Remember that the inquisitor is from a different time, too. Things may have been different in her version of the Imperium... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/9/#findComment-4614031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T. Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Remember that the inquisitor is from a different time, too. Things may have been different in her version of the Imperium... The Imperium stagnated from around the mid-point of M36 (about the time the Ordo Hereticus was formed) - if she were from another order then things would be different as there was a lot going on in the lead-up to the apostasy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/9/#findComment-4614051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Sefiel Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Hello Remember that the inquisitor is from a different time, too. Things may have been different in her version of the Imperium... The Imperium stagnated from around the mid-point of M36 (about the time the Ordo Hereticus was formed) - if she were from another order then things would be different as there was a lot going on in the lead-up to the apostasy. Stagnation is one thing, but 5000 years is a long time for everything to remain completely unchanged... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/9/#findComment-4614059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjulhu Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 To be fair things had went to the dogs by the end of the M31, the Age of Apostasy just made things worse. If they had brought back an Inquisitor from the end of the Heresy before the Imperial Cult had truly took off and there was still resliance to the idea of the Emperor as a God then a Malleus Inquistor looking upon someone like Celestine and deciding to sharpen a few knives makes sense but basically no one raised in the Imperium particularly after the destruction of the original Confederation of Light in M33 be they uneducated or educated within the Imperiums really should have any issue with what a Living Saint is and does. Stagnation is one thing, but 5000 years is a long time for everything to remain completely unchanged... Well the recaf tastes :cusster than it used to and there is a few more skulls carved into the walls. The entire narative purpose of the Imperium is to be uncganging, the very doctorine it functions upon violently oposes inovation and invention, it stagnates entirely because it is unable to change. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/9/#findComment-4614072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Sefiel Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Hey If they had brought back an Inquisitor from the end of the Heresy before the Imperial Cult had truly took off and there was still resliance to the idea of the Emperor as a God then a Malleus Inquistor looking upon someone like Celestine and deciding to sharpen a few knives makes sense but basically no one raised in the Imperium particularly after the destruction of the original Confederation of Light in M33 be they uneducated or educated within the Imperiums really should have any issue with what a Living Saint is and does. This Living Saint is a bit of an upgrade on the previous version, though. She does some very odd things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/9/#findComment-4614079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjulhu Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 A change in rules is moot to what a living saint does narratively and nothing about Celestine's fluff that has be revealed so far is odd where a living saint is involved. She has acient magic armour and sword. Not particulalry special. Pretty much every standard Imperial hero has those.Surrounded by divine light. Many of those with limited divine power can pull that parlor trick off.She can and will come back from death. Is actually what makes a living saint a living saintHas amassed a faithful army to go on a Crusade. Pretty much part of the entrance exam to even be considered to be a saint. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/9/#findComment-4614093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Sefiel Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Hello A change in rules is moot to what a living saint does narratively. We will agree to differ on this point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/9/#findComment-4614105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Just want to jump in and say that I don't actually ascribe any "divine power" to Celestine (or any Sister) since that would mean they are touched by the warp, which is unacceptable to me. I'm not going into detail right now, but I've thought about this a fair bit. Rather than derailing this thread, feel free to PM me if you need to respond Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/9/#findComment-4614108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Hello A change in rules is moot to what a living saint does narratively. We will agree to differ on this point.If the fluff doesn't change, then what Celestine can do in universe doesn't either really Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/9/#findComment-4614112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montford Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Does anyone know what the actual title of the box set will be which will contain Celestine and Greyfax? I want to make sure I tell the owner of my local hobby store the correct item I want. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/9/#findComment-4614118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Sefiel Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Hey If the fluff doesn't change, then what Celestine can do in universe doesn't either really Presumably the new rules will be reflected in the background to some extent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/9/#findComment-4614119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Do we know her new stats/rules? Because of not, then there seems to be no point in discussing it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/9/#findComment-4614146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teetengee Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Just want to jump in and say that I don't actually ascribe any "divine power" to Celestine (or any Sister) since that would mean they are touched by the warp, which is unacceptable to me. I'm not going into detail right now, but I've thought about this a fair bit. Rather than derailing this thread, feel free to PM me if you need to respond See, I think that Greyfax might ascribe to your notion of what divine power is (and how the sisters don't use it) and believe that Celestine is making use of divine power. Whether or not she is correct doesn't change what she believes to be happening. If Greyfax thinks that Celestine is some warp channeler that is conning others into thinking what she does is from faith.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/9/#findComment-4614284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Just want to jump in and say that I don't actually ascribe any "divine power" to Celestine (or any Sister) since that would mean they are touched by the warp, which is unacceptable to me. I'm not going into detail right now, but I've thought about this a fair bit. Rather than derailing this thread, feel free to PM me if you need to respond See, I think that Greyfax might ascribe to your notion of what divine power is (and how the sisters don't use it) and believe that Celestine is making use of divine power. Whether or not she is correct doesn't change what she believes to be happening. If Greyfax thinks that Celestine is some warp channeler that is conning others into thinking what she does is from faith....Makes sense. In any case, I'll burn her if she says anything to that effect :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/9/#findComment-4614294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Sefiel Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Greetings Do we know her new stats/rules? Because of not, then there seems to be no point in discussing it. I have read her rules now. I am not going to disclose them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/9/#findComment-4614331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Greetings Do we know her new stats/rules? Because of not, then there seems to be no point in discussing it. I have read her rules now. I am not going to disclose them. Then why mention it then :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/9/#findComment-4614385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Sefiel Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Hi Greetings Do we know her new stats/rules? Because of not, then there seems to be no point in discussing it. I have read her rules now. I am not going to disclose them. Then why mention it then Because her powers have expanded a bit, and I consider what she does now to be a bit more wacky than what she used to do! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/9/#findComment-4614401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackScorpion22 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Greetings Do we know her new stats/rules? Because of not, then there seems to be no point in discussing it. I have read her rules now. I am not going to disclose them. Then why mention it then Agreed, not cool to basically say "I have something you don't nah nah nah!". At the very least confirm whether they changed or stayed same. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/9/#findComment-4614402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Is she stand alone now, or Soro/Formation exclusive? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328820-the-return-of-celestine/page/9/#findComment-4614404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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