MikhalLeNoir Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) Welcome on board Karras Peter^^ We have always need for motivated younglings^^. Concerning the mechanicum, we have the mecha abyssii and the dark mech. I think the main people you should adress are talonair( abyssii) alphariusomegon108(dark mech) and simison ( the leader of the project). I for my part am always happy if people contribute ideas for my wardens of light and develop them further and I am sure the ozhers think the same way. And we have always black shield forces if you are interested in astsrtes for yourself Edited February 13, 2017 by MikhalLeNoir Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/15/#findComment-4654978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrmidax Karras Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Thank you for your suggestions, I hope I can contribute something to this project that all would find useful!Black Legion is like a blackshields? Renegades and pirates? \^>^/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/15/#findComment-4654992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Greetings, Karras, and welcome to the Brotherhood of the Lost! We are indeed still adding new talent. We have a lot of area that remains only lightly touched upon and open to development. As for the details of your Forge World, I'm rather weak when it comes to Mechanicum fluff, so I'll leave feedback to others. Feel free to start getting adjusted to the project. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/15/#findComment-4655002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Ups. Sorry. Meant black shield. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/15/#findComment-4655052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I have some Dark Mech stuff for the Berserkers that'll need some fleshing out if you fancy, takes the weight off Bluntblade's shoulders :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/15/#findComment-4655097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrmidax Karras Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 @simison Thank you! I'll do my best then =) @MikhalDeNoir That is quite interesting topic btw, because there could be many reasons for some marines to become pirates and so on. Maybe some interesting figures with mythic backgrounds and so on. @Raktra I'm not that good about Dark Mech to be honest, my understanding of them is on level "Put a demon in it, poke it. If it screams - then it works". But It can be fun to read some fluff anyway! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/15/#findComment-4655119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted February 13, 2017 Author Share Posted February 13, 2017 Any amount of new ideas is welxome, for sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/15/#findComment-4655277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonair Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I would be careful with how you approach a Mechanicus faction that does not revere the Omnissiah. The Auretian Technocracy was a highly advanced human empire that got destroyed by the Imperium for said tech. Without the protection of the Priesthood, there would be much incentive to simply sieze that tech by force Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/15/#findComment-4655414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrmidax Karras Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 The thing is, that the cult of the forge is close to Mars, the culture is different. They still believe in Machine God. But they call him other way, some of the dogmas are a bit unusual, but still, if we had Xana II as an independent forge, this could happen the same way with loyal forge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/15/#findComment-4655471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonair Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Ahhh ok that clears it up. And I believe Xana was still protected by the verdict of the Emperor ala 'don't break the Tech-priests' stuff' rather than by any other circumstances Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/15/#findComment-4655478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share Posted February 14, 2017 I would be careful with how you approach a Mechanicus faction that does not revere the Omnissiah. The Auretian Technocracy was a highly advanced human empire that got destroyed by the Imperium for said tech. Without the protection of the Priesthood, there would be much incentive to simply sieze that tech by force The Technocracy survive in this continuum, but they're a cause for controversy within the Mechanicum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/15/#findComment-4655560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonair Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Right. Where's the page on that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/15/#findComment-4655695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share Posted February 14, 2017 Err... argh. It's an exemplary battle for the Iron Bears, a d is addressed in The Great Games in a scene between Alex and Daer'dd. When Raktra destroys the Shepherds as a Legion, the Technocracy falls with them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/15/#findComment-4655746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 After translating the Halycon Wardens' battle cry into latin/high gothic, I went off into a brainstorm of what the latin/high gothic battle cries of some of the other legions who it seemed like they would have one would be Imperator Praesidians(The Emperor protects) Suus Scutum Sumus!(We are his shield!) Imperator Opugnaris(The Emperor strikes) Suus gladium Sumus!(We are his blade) -battle cry of the Vth legion, the Halycon Wardens. Nobilitas! Legatum! Fidelitas!(Nobility! Legacy! Loyalty!) -a known battle cry of the IXth legion, the Warbringers. Ut finibus astra!(To the ends of the stars!) -a known battle cry of the IVth legion, the Void Eagles. Nox expectate(night awaits) Aurora venit!(the dawn is coming) -battle cry of the Nightguard Illuminamus umbras!(We illuminate the shadows) -battle cry of the Sheperds of Eden Enim lucidius futura(For a brighter future) -battle cry of the Scions Hospitalier simison 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/15/#findComment-4656115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share Posted February 14, 2017 I don't remember the Shepherds or Scions using those. I have "the bell tolls for the Emperor's foes!" and "Into the depths we carry His light!" respectively. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/15/#findComment-4656177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) I don't remember the Shepherds or Scions using those. I have "the bell tolls for the Emperor's foes!" and "Into the depths we carry His light!" respectively.I was brainstorming for those two as I couldn't find an "official" one So, using those two, off the top of my head the scions would be Ut profundis portamus luctem suus And sheperds (?) clamaverunt hostes Imperator] Edited February 14, 2017 by Sigismund229 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/15/#findComment-4656185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) I was rewriting my legion thread's firstxoage in accordance with Thørn approved guidelines and noticed something. The Lions timeline for the Insurrection is pretty much: -Day of Revelation -Blood Crusade -Terra Those events are years, in some cases decades, appart. I realise that the Blood Crusade is a big thingalready but I'd like to fill in those gaps and then include that as "background" stuff alongside the "and here's what the other legions were doing" in each book after the main campaign. One idea I had was a battle to demonstrate that the Lions genuinely are fidelitas sine recursu, don't just claim they are. An attack on Icarion&his Lightning Bearers, likeRuss planned against the Vengeful Spirit. However, unlike Russ the Lions don't think they'll win. Hectarion doesn't even think he'll walk away alive. However, honour and loyalty to the Emperor won't let the Lions do otherwise, so they attack. Any other ideas? What do you guys think of that one? EDIT: For Hec vs Ic, I thought like this: All around them, the halls of the () rang with the clang of ceramite on ceramite. All around them, astartes fought with hate where once there was brotherhood. But all that paled into insignificance as the two demi gods squared up for battle. Hectarion squared his shoulder and raised his shield, tilting it ever so slightly, to cover his midrif and upper leg. In his other hand he held Godstooth, its teeth already stained with the blood of Icarion's bastards. Icarion readied his spear. He moved with grace where Hectarion moved with a ferocious energy. Both studied the other carefully. Both knew they couldn't afford any errors of judgement. "It doesn't have to be this way Hec" Icarion said softly "I think, brother" Hectarion replied "We both know it does". Silent, they simply stared at each other. Then, as he tensed to leap forwards, Hectarion said "I loved you. Father loved you. We all loved you. You were the best of us, the best of our brothers". "We can still be brothers Hec" Icarion said, gracefully sliding into a defensive guard "You can still walk away from this. Your sons can still walk away from this" Hectarion shook his head "I can't. This is the day one of us dies". "So be it" stated Icarion "We shall cross blades in hate" "No" Hectarion replied softly, a tear welling up in his right eye, "I could never hate you". Then he leapt forward and Godstooth's teeth met Icarion's blade Edited February 15, 2017 by Sigismund229 Doctor Perils 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/15/#findComment-4657275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted February 16, 2017 Author Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) Honestly, I'm not so hot on a Primarch engaging in a futile offensive. Perhaps this is where Hectarion has to wrestle with his anger instead, sailing right to the edge of disaster before his advisers bring him back to reason? And food for thought regarding Destroyers. Particularly for Skal and Raktra. Edited February 16, 2017 by bluntblade Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/15/#findComment-4657400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I am not sure as well. Of course this is a primarch vs primarch, legion vs legion thing. But if we stretch it too far, describe the battles roo often, I fear that until terra the thing becomes redundant. Why not have a lion fight vs raiden? In effigie for their primarchs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/15/#findComment-4657452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted February 16, 2017 Author Share Posted February 16, 2017 Or he could take on Kelbor-Hal (with apologies to Raktra, buffed to Archimandrite-level power). Someone needs to take the guy down for Abyssii to ascend, after all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/15/#findComment-4657459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Wasn't Mortera supposed to take Hal down and take the ring? ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/15/#findComment-4657461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I am not sure as well. Of course this is a primarch vs primarch, legion vs legion thing. But if we stretch it too far, describe the battles roo often, I fear that until terra the thing becomes redundant. Why not have a lion fight vs raiden? In effigie for their primarchs. That's a good point actually. In BotL, we've seen very few legionary-legionary duels except for Pyhrricles vs Raiden and I'd planned one between Gathos and Innorvak whereas we have loads of primarch-primarch duels. @blunt: I believe Mortera kills Kelbor Hal. Besides, we already have plenty of legionaries on Mars from the HW and FK, who are far better suited to the war there than the Lions. Add into that that we can't have every legion at every major battle and I think its better that the Lions stay away from Mars. Leave the limelight where it belongs, on the Abysii and the Mechanicum generally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/15/#findComment-4657482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted February 16, 2017 Author Share Posted February 16, 2017 We will have Khârn vs Innorvak on Terra, after we shuffled things around regarding the Siege. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/15/#findComment-4657484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonair Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 The current plan is that Mortera kills Kelbor-Hal, but not on Mars. Hal manages to escape the Schism of Mars, leaving Kane as the Fabricator-General of Mars, and Mortera as Fabricator-Locum. Mortera then, later on in the Insurrection (or very shortly afterwards) arranges for Kane's death, leaving her as Fabricator-General of Mars Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/15/#findComment-4657505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted February 16, 2017 Author Share Posted February 16, 2017 That'd need to be very secretive indeed. Perhaps she fails to help him against enemy action? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329759-general-discussion-secundus/page/15/#findComment-4657512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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