Targetlock Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Hi all. So for my growing shattered legion force I'm thinking of doing a Praevian leading a unit of Castellax (using converted 40k Kastelans) my force btw is loyalists from the traitor legions. what are your experiences of this unit? are they any good? what would be the best loadout for the praevian (though i have converted a suitable sons of horus character with a combi-weapon) Thanks for any comments :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329944-praevian/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowmaster Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 How are you going to convert the kastelans? I was looking at doing something similar but can't quite figure out how I want to replace the head. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329944-praevian/#findComment-4625923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROBOcaster Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 They are amazing almost to the point of compulsory depending on your legion of course, if your Iron Hands, they are effectively T8 vs shooting, if you are Blackshields Gene-Bulked you are T8 and S7. I run 3 with Darkfire Cannons and Flamers along with a Boarding shield on the Praevian and a combi flamer so when people do try to charge they make a disorded charge and take 7 wall of death auto hits along with the Darkfire that can blind them before then enter combot. The unit cost about 500+ points so when I do run this I tend to run it as a counter LOW. They always make their points back, Ive locked Mortarion in combat for the entire game, Ive locked Corax in combat every time he left and charged again he had to deal with the overwatch, they killed a Levithan and Typhon Siege tank in a single round, I could go on but this is by far my favorite unit ever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329944-praevian/#findComment-4625937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targetlock Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 Thanks for the comments, not sure how i will be converting them yet tbh :) i'm surprised the black-shield rule would actually apply to them! but as I'm running a shattered legion force i can't use them anyways. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329944-praevian/#findComment-4627657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROBOcaster Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Of course the BS rule applies its their Legion Astartes rule so it acts just as all other Legion Astartes rules do for castellax. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329944-praevian/#findComment-4628130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Yeah they are pretty good. Darkfire cannons, imo, are mandatory as the unit is slow and they give you the opportunity to engage practically any unit at range. Their damage output isn't massive, a unit of two with a Praevian costs as much as a Primarch, although they are very tough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329944-praevian/#findComment-4628265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Darkfire cannons should have no chance to kill a Typhon, unless you literally roll all 6s for all your shots. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329944-praevian/#findComment-4628336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROBOcaster Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Darkfire cannons should have no chance to kill a Typhon, unless you literally roll all 6s for all your shots. You assume too much, I never said they shot it to death. Also yes it can, S7 Lance brings Typhon to armor 12 5s Glance 6s pen roll on the pen chart explode is 1+D3 hull points, one pen can take off 4 hull points I dont need all 6 to do the job. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329944-praevian/#findComment-4628338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 They have Lance so damage is possible Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329944-praevian/#findComment-4628339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimm Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Personally I love the look of the unit but there's better options for the points. I would agree dark fire cannons are pretty good and definitely the best choice to go with. On a side note I'm no dg player but Mort should destroy this unit as I'm pretty sure he's got instant death on his weapon so can't see them lasting more than two rounds max. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329944-praevian/#findComment-4628378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Doesn't it have a flare shield, thus reducing the cannons to S6? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329944-praevian/#findComment-4628385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROBOcaster Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Doesn't it have a flare shield, thus reducing the cannons to S6? No, it does not. Armored Cermite only. Personally I love the look of the unit but there's better options for the points. I would agree dark fire cannons are pretty good and definitely the best choice to go with. On a side note I'm no dg player but Mort should destroy this unit as I'm pretty sure he's got instant death on his weapon so can't see them lasting more than two rounds max. Yeah I didn't think I was gonna make it but I kept making my 4+ invul saves. Plus with the guys bad rolls he was only getting one or two wounds on me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329944-praevian/#findComment-4628390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 How are you getting 4+ invulnerable saves? Castellax have a 5+ against shooting and a 6+ in melee. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329944-praevian/#findComment-4628448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Anyway. It's one of the best units there is. I've killed almost everything with them. My loadout for them is always Darkfire Cannons, Enhanced Targeter and Frags. My Praevian gets a Refractor Field and a Bolter. I never take my Legion rule since I play IW. And I guess Tank Hunter is way better anyway. If he hits with his Bolter it's four shots hitting on twos, re-rolling ones, glancing on fives, penetrating on sixes and can re-roll those penetration rolles as well. On top of that they wound almost everything on a two and again re-roll ones if the dude hits with his Bolter. Hell of unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329944-praevian/#findComment-4628613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROBOcaster Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 How are you getting 4+ invulnerable saves? Castellax have a 5+ against shooting and a 6+ in melee. A Praevian in combat with a boarding shield get a 5++ Iron hands get Cyber Familiars bumping that up to a 4++. You cant make this stuff up man the unit is amazing. Some might say broken even. Plus look that them they look cool as all get out. http://i.imgur.com/8SQ6bFdh.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329944-praevian/#findComment-4628734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targetlock Posted January 20, 2017 Author Share Posted January 20, 2017 For my shattered legion I'm thinking of having them as either IW or Sons of horus and yeah was considering darkfire cannons along with targetting arrays, though ive had no chance to use Darkfire Cannons. for the Praevian possibly a boarding shield to mess with enemy charges, a Bolter and a power weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329944-praevian/#findComment-4629073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROBOcaster Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 And remember with the Praevien he just has to hit the target not wound it, so a bolter would be great for him so within 24" your castellax get Preferred Enemy with BS5 so your darkfires are likely to never get hot and always make contact. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329944-praevian/#findComment-4629143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 You actually want a combi Flamer. If you get charged that's an auto hit, and you still have the 24" Bolter for all other times. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329944-praevian/#findComment-4629160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Uuuuuuh THAT'S a good idea! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329944-praevian/#findComment-4629465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targetlock Posted January 21, 2017 Author Share Posted January 21, 2017 yeah was thinking a combi-flamer :) plus power weapon and shield, would the cortex designator benefit work for overwatch? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329944-praevian/#findComment-4630464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROBOcaster Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 yeah was thinking a combi-flamer plus power weapon and shield, would the cortex designator benefit work for overwatch? Off the top of my head no it only say in the "shooting phase" or something like that but if in the shooting phase you shoot a unit that your strongly believe is going to charge you then yeah it works Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329944-praevian/#findComment-4630503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 yeah was thinking a combi-flamer plus power weapon and shield, would the cortex designator benefit work for overwatch? Off the top of my head no it only say in the "shooting phase" or something like that but if in the shooting phase you shoot a unit that your strongly believe is going to charge you then yeah it works It's just a successful shooting attack. So when you get charged you wall of flame and the Castellax/Vorax will have preferred enemy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329944-praevian/#findComment-4630512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targetlock Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 so deffo a combi-flamer to gain that hit then :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329944-praevian/#findComment-4631530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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