HeritorA Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 And yet at the height of the Heresy, traitor forces managed to deploy agents, make binding rituals and prisons escapes. 4th and 5th generation hybrids and virtually indistinguishable from the host species. I doubt the psykers have a professor x machine around. Also psykers are usually the first to be infected. A major cover up conspiracy. Why you feel the need to defend that point? Just curious. What GS presence on Terra give you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 And what would GS presence on Terra take away from you? Like i said before, no planet should be immune from the machinations of the alien and the Heretic. We as the reader know the hive fleets are making way for Terra slowly but surely. It's not far-fetched to think that they would try to inflitrate the planet to sabotage the defenders. Chaos is not the only enemy of the Imperium and i would certainly welcome additional threats to the Throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Wasn't there...abnormalities living on Terra in the Bill King Ragnar books? Besides, with so many billions shuffling on Terra it's pretty believable that a GS cult infiltrated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xisor Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 In fairness, when Terra was commanded by three of its best Commanders-in-Chief *ever* and hundreds of Chapters' worth of Space Marines, their dereliction of duty was so great that were at least four Daemon Primarchs(!) on Terra at the same time! At other times there was an apostate on the High Lords of Terra, once a High Lords killed all the others, another time there were Orks in the Senatorum Imperialis! And Eldar at the gates of the Throne Room! A modicum of Genestealer Cultists in some random polar Hive is an almost insignificant factor in comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 And what would GS presence on Terra take away from you? Like i said before, no planet should be immune from the machinations of the alien and the Heretic. We as the reader know the hive fleets are making way for Terra slowly but surely. It's not far-fetched to think that they would try to inflitrate the planet to sabotage the defenders. Chaos is not the only enemy of the Imperium and i would certainly welcome additional threats to the Throne. Just because? That's exactly why GS is a crappy lore written by Ward and Clar. Because events happens just to happen, because they put tidbits of whatever they want wherenever they want to. In fairness, when Terra was commanded by three of its best Commanders-in-Chief *ever* and hundreds of Chapters' worth of Space Marines, their dereliction of duty was so great that were at least four Daemon Primarchs(!) on Terra at the same time! At other times there was an apostate on the High Lords of Terra, once a High Lords killed all the others, another time there were Orks in the Senatorum Imperialis! And Eldar at the gates of the Throne Room! A modicum of Genestealer Cultists in some random polar Hive is an almost insignificant factor in comparison. So you take TBA as granted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 It certainly makes more sense than an admech dude that just happened to have an armour for Guilliman just because. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 It certainly makes more sense than an admech dude that just happened to have an armour for Guilliman just because. LOL, true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 So Cawl is 10,000 years old? That's ... a little hard to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xisor Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Trigger's had the same broom for seventeen years. It's amazing its lasted all this time. Of course, it's had a few repairs down years. Seventeen new heads and fourteen new handles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Trigger's had the same broom for seventeen years. It's amazing its lasted all this time. Of course, it's had a few repairs down years. Seventeen new heads and fourteen new handles. Well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 If any planet would have cultists on it, I think it would be Terra. Planet with trillions of people on it? Ships of pilgrims in constant transit--both super luminal and sub-light? I can't comprehend a trillion people. The logistical nightmare that it must be. I can imagine the security forces count it as a good year when they only crackdown on 100 million or so cults or seditious groups. I love the way this is going. Now, I feel that it needs more fleshing out but this is exciting because maybe we, as players, can have some kind of agency in the setting now. The setting doesn't have to be complete. Emperor is back on a whole Great-er Crusade but some new additions to the 5 seconds to midnight makes me want to begin collecting again which is likely why GW is doing this. *Disclaimer* No one is wrong if they don't agree with me. This is just my personal preference and opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 If any planet would have cultists on it, I think it would be Terra. Planet with trillions of people on it? Ships of pilgrims in constant transit--both super luminal and sub-light? I can't comprehend a trillion people. The logistical nightmare that it must be. I can imagine the security forces count it as a good year when they only crackdown on 100 million or so cults or seditious groups. I love the way this is going. Now, I feel that it needs more fleshing out but this is exciting because maybe we, as players, can have some kind of agency in the setting now. The setting doesn't have to be complete. Emperor is back on a whole Great-er Crusade but some new additions to the 5 seconds to midnight makes me want to begin collecting again which is likely why GW is doing this. *Disclaimer* No one is wrong if they don't agree with me. This is just my personal preference and opinion. Everyone has it's own opinion and nothing wrong with it. 'Some kind of agency in the setting now'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dougal Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 I really, really, REALLY want there to be more fleshing out of these characters. Novels, or short stories at least, showing what Yvraine and Celestine are like as people, not just icons. I know so little about their history or personality, so just having them show up as these 'saviors' really sticks in my craw. Celestine was apparently a Repentia at some point, wasn't she? Well that means she must've had some serious doubts at some point. What were they, how did she resolve them? Whence does her newfound faith come from? Yvraine's supposed to have been through a lot too. All the choices she's been through, the paths she's walked. What led her to take those roads, and what made her decide to suddenly accept this new god who just shows up and empowers her so she can do his work for him? (I mean, her. I still see Ynnead as the Goddess of Death, as stated in the novel Valedor.) You want me to like these new characters? Cool outfits and badass weapons helps, but I need to care about these guys before I go buying models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Doesn't her faith come from the fact that she was resurrected by The Emperor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Why did Ynnead choose Yvraine? That's a massive issue in need of fleshing out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Why did Ynnead choose Yvraine? That's a massive issue in need of fleshing out One of the issues. A lot of stuff simply left unexplained and happened 'just because' (one of the main issues Xisor and I have with the GS). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dougal Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 It may be an issue with the Gathering Storm, but then again fleshing out these events enough to be satisfying Would probably take a whole novel's worth of words. So maybe it'd be impractical to fit them inside a campaign book. I'll be keeping an eye out on future novels, to see if anyone decides to take a crack at these characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 It may be an issue with the Gathering Storm, but then again fleshing out these events enough to be satisfying Would probably take a whole novel's worth of words. So maybe it'd be impractical to fit them inside a campaign book. I'll be keeping an eye out on future novels, to see if anyone decides to take a crack at these characters That is strange - cause even Warzone Fenris got a treatment from BL, but we are 3 books into the new w41k and still have nothing to it's events. And as coming soon section of BL states where wouldn't be anything this spring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 If you think carefully about the setting even after all of these little events. Nothing has actually changed. Stop complaining. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 If you think carefully about the setting even after all of these little events. Nothing has actually changed. Stop complaining. Nothing has actually changed - brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Nothing on a Galactic scale or earth shatteringly different level that I can see. Sure a God is "born". A bloke comes back from the dead. There's lots of uncomfortable shifting in the Warp but there's still unending war in the GrimDark future. Nothing to see here. Move along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xisor Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Is it still canon that one of the Segmentae just went dark? I forget the specifics - Tempestus, Pacificus or Obscurus, obviously. Meant they could leave it off the map for a while. --- I think TGS would have been improved, in my esteem at least, if each passage didn't procedurally waste many lines of "and also Almarich is here", "so it was that Celestine wasn't forgotten" "thus also that inquisitor who isn't really doing anything furthermore did nothing". Improbably arch language (yes, I do have a sense of irony) combined with not-even-compelling shaggy dog stories are the very derogatory meaning that people *joked* about the background being when they call it 'fluff'. Unfortunately most of TGS *is* fluff. The preliminary details of Yvraine plucking a sword out of Biel-Tan aren't important. A large degree of FoC could be summarised as "Some Space Marines stole the limelight from everyone on Cadia [except Creed, whose limelight was knicked by Carl & pals], with a large degree of the content of Rise of the Primarch being long-winded descriptions of surprisingly small battles rather than interesting political/logistical/dispositional details. (The details we all tend to pour over. Lore nuggets, y'know.) Still, there were excellent pieces in amongst it all - but a lot of it was the Codex equivalent of bolter porn. Not fascinating vignettes, but as I'd said before: just so stories. ---- Maybe I have the wrong end of the stick for the vast portion of the consumers. Which bits do most people (who aren't me) actually enjoy? Where's everyone getting their kicks? Am I out of touch? No, it is the children who are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Dougal Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I believe I saw a Blood Angel novel somewhere that hinted at these events. It didn't really relate to them, but there was a mention of it. Something along the lines of Hive Fleet Leviathan making it's way towards Baal, and the Blood Angels learn that with Cadia's Fall there will be no reinforcements for their defense, leaving them to wonder if this truly is the Time of Ending. Not what I'm really after, but it's there at least. There's so much going on right now, the Horus Heresy, Gathering Storm, their regular releases, The Beast Arises just ended last year. Maybe I should cut them some slack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xisor Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I believe I saw a Blood Angel novel somewhere that hinted at these events. It didn't really relate to them, but there was a mention of it. Something along the lines of Hive Fleet Leviathan making it's way towards Baal, and the Blood Angels learn that with Cadia's Fall there will be no reinforcements for their defense, leaving them to wonder if this truly is the Time of Ending. Not what I'm really after, but it's there at least. There's so much going on right now, the Horus Heresy, Gathering Storm, their regular releases, The Beast Arises just ended last year. Maybe I should cut them some slack. Given the Laurie interview recently- it's easy to see the 'sepearation' of the business starting to take effect, a move away from direct tie-ins which might mean there might have been no time (/bad interdepartmental coordination) to get some novels out. That says: Valedor reads as a direct prelude to this, and you're right - there's at least a Baal novel forecast for the setting too. I'm sure the novels will come, and be welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 'Unfortunately most of TGS *is* fluff.' sadly :( I believe I saw a Blood Angel novel somewhere that hinted at these events. It didn't really relate to them, but there was a mention of it. Something along the lines of Hive Fleet Leviathan making it's way towards Baal, and the Blood Angels learn that with Cadia's Fall there will be no reinforcements for their defense, leaving them to wonder if this truly is the Time of Ending.Not what I'm really after, but it's there at least. There's so much going on right now, the Horus Heresy, Gathering Storm, their regular releases, The Beast Arises just ended last year. Maybe I should cut them some slack. Given the Laurie interview recently- it's easy to see the 'sepearation' of the business starting to take effect, a move away from direct tie-ins which might mean there might have been no time (/bad interdepartmental coordination) to get some novels out.That says: Valedor reads as a direct prelude to this, and you're right - there's at least a Baal novel forecast for the setting too.I'm sure the novels will come, and be welcome! Asked several groups to check the preferences on GS amongst different age groups. As expected - the younger the reader, the more he liked it Sigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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