Legion Power Levels in 30k?

[SafetyTurtle]

So here's my reason for going Pride of the Legion: I like Cataphractii and vet units and wanted a smaller, more elite force as opposed to my 40k Ork army...I wanted to try something different for once.

And no, I don't have a lot of money, but what I have I've spent on Forgeworld and I'm sorry that I can't afford to spend thousands of pounds on tactical marines to earn NoLifeKing's esteem and I see no reason to shame people for that (and yes, that is what you did...right before you said people shouldn't be shamed for it).

[Runefyre]

So here's my reason for going Pride of the Legion: I like Cataphractii and vet units and wanted a smaller, more elite force as opposed to my 40k Ork army...I wanted to try something different for once.

And no, I don't have a lot of money, but what I have I've spent on Forgeworld and I'm sorry that I can't afford to spend thousands of pounds on tactical marines to earn NoLifeKing's esteem and I see no reason to shame people for that (and yes, that is what you did...right before you said people shouldn't be shamed for it).

Dude, whatever you do, don't let the internet stop you from collecting the army you want

[Baluc]

What a farce, as if Pride is the knly way to vets as troops.

 

Vets are preferable to tacs because desipte the fact that in most cases they die just the same. When its your turn they actually have the capacity to do some damage to almost every unit the opponent can field.

 

Tactical squads to the contrary do a low level of damage to just about every infatry unit in the game.

[Sentinel Guy]

Anyone whose legion army consists of spammed tactical veteran squads is either homeless or lacking in intellect points. Pride of the legion is the worst rite of war possible as it doesn't give you any other benefits than that it allows the said homeless person to build an army from his first calth or prospero box and call it vaguely "playable".  

 

Now that i got that out of my system, i can actually commit to the actual topic of the threat:

 

Legions are all in all balanced when compared to each other, each have their own strenghts and short comings. Some legions have rules that are much easier to leverage than others and thus create the illusion of being "better" than the other legions. Two of such legions being Imperial fists and Iron hands for clear and simple example, they have very solid advantage written into their core legiones astartes rules that dont take much brains to abuse. While that makes them bit "easier" to run, it doesn't give them enough power to curbstomp other legions, because even tho the others have more complicated strenghts to leverage, they are by no means rocket science to understand, and can be unlocked with sparing a meagre amount of time and focus to read their rules twice. 

 

And the myth about custodians being overpowered should allready be buried deep beneath terras soil, by the emperor...

 

In a nutshell, forget the hopes of abusing some op mechanic or army to sate your lust for easy wins, and feel no fear of the nonexistent powercreep.

 

BALANCE EXISTS.

 

 

 

I can't afford FW prices after paying the mortgage and my student loan every month :D

[SafetyTurtle]

Dude, whatever you do, don't let the internet stop you from collecting the army you want

Oh I will, no doubt, I just can't stand elitist like him and feel I should speak up whenever they poke out their head.

They're in more or less every hobby I've ever been a part of and it's getting tiresome, honestly.

Though now I want to field a Pride of the Legion army even more...

[NoLifeKing]

Dude, whatever you do, don't let the internet stop you from collecting the army you want

Oh I will, no doubt, I just can't stand elitist like him and feel I should speak up whenever they poke out their head.

They're in more or less every hobby I've ever been a part of and it's getting tiresome, honestly.

Though now I want to field a Pride of the Legion army even more...

Anyone whose legion army consists of spammed tactical veteran squads is either homeless or lacking in intellect points. Pride of the legion is the worst rite of war possible as it doesn't give you any other benefits than that it allows the said homeless person to build an army from his first calth or prospero box and call it vaguely "playable".

Now that i got that out of my system, i can actually commit to the actual topic of the threat:

Legions are all in all balanced when compared to each other, each have their own strenghts and short comings. Some legions have rules that are much easier to leverage than others and thus create the illusion of being "better" than the other legions. Two of such legions being Imperial fists and Iron hands for clear and simple example, they have very solid advantage written into their core legiones astartes rules that dont take much brains to abuse. While that makes them bit "easier" to run, it doesn't give them enough power to curbstomp other legions, because even tho the others have more complicated strenghts to leverage, they are by no means rocket science to understand, and can be unlocked with sparing a meagre amount of time and focus to read their rules twice.

And the myth about custodians being overpowered should allready be buried deep beneath terras soil, by the emperor...

In a nutshell, forget the hopes of abusing some op mechanic or army to sate your lust for easy wins, and feel no fear of the nonexistent powercreep.

BALANCE EXISTS.

I can't afford FW prices after paying the mortgage and my student loan every month

See this here? this is the state i reffered to as "being homeless" in jest, obviously my sense of humor didn't reach out to most people.

Im not a rich man myself and i don't spit on the face of anyone who doesn't waste their money on plastic miniatures as if their life depended on it, as i often do.

Some people can't do it, some people don't want to, and that is completely down to every hobbyist to decide what they want to do with their money and their armies, and believe it or not, i think thats alright and cool.

Calling me an elitist for stating these very real reasons behind the army build many people have, is just silly and just a bunch of spiteful lies.

[SafetyTurtle]

Dude, you can try to defend it all you want...but maybe next time you should think a little about what you say before you say it.

Even if I had tons of money I would still run a Pride army, but I guess that puts me in the category of people you think are stupid then? (sorry "lacking intelligence points" as you so eloquently put it).

[NoLifeKing]

Dude, you can try to defend it all you want...but maybe next time you should think a little about what you say before you say it.

 

Even if I had tons of money I would still run a Pride army, but I guess that puts me in the category of people you think are stupid then? (sorry "lacking intelligence points" as you so eloquently put it).

If thats the path you choose, you have the right to do so, if thats what float your boat. 

 

I would still sincerely recommend that you reconsider changing your army build, if higher performance for your legion is your goal.

If that is not the case, then i don't have to feel sad.

[SafetyTurtle]

Just because having a bunch of tacticals works for you and your play style, doesn't mean it's the same for others.
Have you considered that perhaps you just can't make veterans work, but others can?

[helterskelter]

I've got 3 lists depending on how I fancy playing, Terror assault (every night Lords perogative), pride (because terminators), and armoured breakthrough (because tanks) It's each individuals hobby to play as they see and we are all here to advise and give our own opinions as to what we enjoy and have found useful within the legions.

We shouldn't enforce opinion or try to belittle or insult others because their opinion doesn't match. Let's all play nice. Futuristic toy soldiers.

[NoLifeKing]

Just because having a bunch of tacticals works for you and your play style, doesn't mean it's the same for others.

Have you considered that perhaps you just can't make veterans work, but others can?

Your ignorance is blasphemous, never did i declare that veterans don't work, they are strong and they can do their job if they must, but what im trying to say is that veteran spam is not the optimal army build, and in similar fashion, just spamming regular tactical squads doesn't provide the optimal outcome either.  Legion armies don't give their best by spamming a single unit.  

 

I use both regular AND veteran tactical squads frequently in my army.  But i have noticed that just spamming never works out.

[SafetyTurtle]

And no one here talked about spamming vets? the debate has been regarding vets being good...just because you run POTL doesn't mean you spam vets.

And "your ignorance is blasphemous"...really dude?

[ronin_cse]

 

Just because having a bunch of tacticals works for you and your play style, doesn't mean it's the same for others.

Have you considered that perhaps you just can't make veterans work, but others can?

Your ignorance is blasphemous, never did i declare that veterans don't work, they are strong and they can do their job if they must, but what im trying to say is that veteran spam is not the optimal army build, and in similar fashion, just spamming regular tactical squads doesn't provide the optimal outcome either.  Legion armies don't give their best by spamming a single unit.  

 

I use both regular AND veteran tactical squads frequently in my army.  But i have noticed that just spamming never works out.

 

 

Maybe you need to work on your social skills or something but seriously you come off as VERY abrasive in this thread. Seriously if you want people to take you seriously and to actually discuss the game then starting off with calling them poor and of low intelligence is the wrong way to go.

 

Since you have just been criticizing others' choices what do YOU think is a better army list than taking PotL and veterans?

 

Also I think you misread something somewhere, people don't suggest spamming veterans and tacticals here as both are considered a tax. They suggest taking PotL because it allows you to fill your compulsory troops choices with vets instead of tacticals because at least vets can affect the game in a meaningful way.

[Olis]

We are done here.