DA 8th Edition Info

[ChaosPhoenix]

Not bad Thanks

Most are same as now but They are not bad in 7th so i guess They will be good in 8th too

As with other armies, there is a lot more synergy between the units, which I like. They look really good now, but I don't know how the point cost will balance some things. Tau and Eldar took a hit though, which is good for us.

 

Btw everything in Terminator Armor is at least W2.

[Stormxlr]

There are leaks. I'll give you some. 

 

Belial allows to reroll failed hit rolls 6" around him. With the Sword of Silence he always wounds on 2+, except vehicles. The Sword also comes with a parrying dagger, reducing enemy hit rolls by 1.

 

Death Wing Knights are T4, but W3. Their flails do 2 damage. Bbuuutt "unused" damage spills over to new modells. They come with an item that ignores psychic powers on  a 3+, but is destroyed after one successful save.

 

Death Wing Terminators have the same item.

 

Black Wing Knights move 14" standard.

 

Apothecaries are multi wound characters.

 

Venerable Dreadnoughts hit on +2/+2 and are T7 W7 or 8.

 

Azreals helmet got a range upgrade.

 

Is that ok for now?

Storm Bolters are Rapid Fire 2. 4 shots at half range sounds perfect !

[ChaosPhoenix]

Yes deep striking 9" away without scatter means 4 shots per Terminator with rerolls with the right synergy. 

[Orkinstein]

There are leaks. I'll give you some.

 

Belial allows to reroll failed hit rolls 6" around him. With the Sword of Silence he always wounds on 2+, except vehicles. The Sword also comes with a parrying dagger, reducing enemy hit rolls by 1.

 

Death Wing Knights are T4, but W3. Their flails do 2 damage. Bbuuutt "unused" damage spills over to new modells. They come with an item that ignores psychic powers on a 3+, but is destroyed after one successful save.

 

Death Wing Terminators have the same item.

 

Black Wing Knights move 14" standard.

 

Apothecaries are multi wound characters.

 

Venerable Dreadnoughts hit on +2/+2 and are T7 W7 or 8.

 

Azreals helmet got a range upgrade.

 

Is that ok for now?

Are black knights have 3w too? Are their plasma guns rapid fire 2？

[jbaeza94]

Found this over in news. thought you guys may be interested

Edited May 30, 2017 by jbaeza94

[ChaosPhoenix]

 

There are leaks. I'll give you some.

 

Belial allows to reroll failed hit rolls 6" around him. With the Sword of Silence he always wounds on 2+, except vehicles. The Sword also comes with a parrying dagger, reducing enemy hit rolls by 1.

 

Death Wing Knights are T4, but W3. Their flails do 2 damage. Bbuuutt "unused" damage spills over to new modells. They come with an item that ignores psychic powers on a 3+, but is destroyed after one successful save.

 

Death Wing Terminators have the same item.

 

Black Wing Knights move 14" standard.

 

Apothecaries are multi wound characters.

 

Venerable Dreadnoughts hit on +2/+2 and are T7 W7 or 8.

 

Azreals helmet got a range upgrade.

 

Is that ok for now?

Are black knights have 3w too? Are their plasma guns rapid fire 2？

 

Sorry I was so focussed on Terminators, I didn't really check the bike stats. The plasma talons are 2 shots, but I can't remember which class of weapon. They but they can overcharge like normal plasmas and I think they have the same profile. But still, they're called "Plasma Talons" not "Plasma Gun", so maybe something was different.

[Orkinstein]

 

 

There are leaks. I'll give you some.

 

Belial allows to reroll failed hit rolls 6" around him. With the Sword of Silence he always wounds on 2+, except vehicles. The Sword also comes with a parrying dagger, reducing enemy hit rolls by 1.

 

Death Wing Knights are T4, but W3. Their flails do 2 damage. Bbuuutt "unused" damage spills over to new modells. They come with an item that ignores psychic powers on a 3+, but is destroyed after one successful save.

 

Death Wing Terminators have the same item.

 

Black Wing Knights move 14" standard.

 

Apothecaries are multi wound characters.

 

Venerable Dreadnoughts hit on +2/+2 and are T7 W7 or 8.

 

Azreals helmet got a range upgrade.

 

Is that ok for now?

Are black knights have 3w too? Are their plasma guns rapid fire 2？

 

Sorry I was so focussed on Terminators, I didn't really check the bike stats. The plasma talons are 2 shots, but I can't remember which class of weapon. They but they can overcharge like normal plasmas and I think they have the same profile. But still, they're called "Plasma Talons" not "Plasma Gun", so maybe something was different.

 

 

Thanks! I hope plasma talons is rapid 2 

[JeffJedi]

What if I want to bring something that is not on the list, such as a Hunter, Stalker or Stormtalon? I know it won't have the Dark Angels keyword. Will I be able to use themy in my Dark Angels army?

[Brother-Captain Sharp]

What if I want to bring something that is not on the list, such as a Hunter, Stalker or Stormtalon? I know it won't have the Dark Angels keyword. Will I be able to use themy in my Dark Angels army?

Yes, you can just use the faction keyword Space Marines instead of Dark Angels. I think you'll miss out on Command Points that way, but you can.

[ValourousHeart]

Thanks ChaosPhoenix and Jbaeza94 for posting those leaks.

This gives me some insight to what Sableclaw and Covex will look like.
 

Both are likely to have a 12-14 inch move... which keeps them mobile.

Corvex gets  Rapid 4 storm bolter, plus whatever the Plasma Canon turns out to be.

Looks like getting hot is now only in effect with the overcharged profile... nice nod to 2nd edition... but it is a mortal wound, which is harsh, I am going to have to think hard about if it is worth it.

 

Sableclaw is now 12 shots with the assault cannon... plus another 6 shots from the Heavy Bolters.
Looks like he is still going to be an infantry killer, with the ability to team up to deal with vehicles and MC... which is fine by me.

Hopefully Sableclaw will get a decent stat line for CC... I'm not expecting WS 2+, but I'm hoping it isn't WS 6+.

 

Did either of you get the chance to check out the stats on either of these 2?

[Master Sheol]

more info about DA from italian forum

 

Unforgiven: units with these keywords auto pass morale tests and reroll to hit against fallen

Jink: 5++ save

Azrael: CM stats, grants +1 Command Point to the army if he is the warlord. TheLion Helm gives 4++ to all DA units 6" to him. Sword of Secrets +2S AP-3 D d3
Belial and Sammael make reroll .1s to hit to all DA units  6" from them and(Belial) all to hit for DW or (sammael) RW

DW has Ancient, Apothecary, Champion as characters

[Brother Ramael]

more info about DA from italian forum

 

Unforgiven: units with these keywords auto pass morale tests and reroll to hit against fallen

Jink: 5++ save

Azrael: CM stats, grants +1 Command Point to the army if he is the warlord. TheLion Helm gives 4++ to all DA units 6" to him. Sword of Secrets +2S AP-3 D d3

Belial and Sammael make reroll .1s to hit to all DA units  6" from them and(Belial) all to hit for DW or (sammael) RW

DW has Ancient, Apothecary, Champion as characters

Azrael combined with the right squad seems fun, auto pass morale is huge after the ATSKNF nerf.

[Cryptix]

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[Orkinstein]

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[TheBoosch]

https://imgur.com/a/tjmtr#XzWCBUD

 

The leaks have started!

 

Land Raider Excelsior?! Did I miss this in the normal space marine leaks or is this a DA exclusive?

[Brother-Captain Sharp]

Well the new Jink rules are a pretty heavy nerf. Not unexpected. We'll see how Black Knights interact with it.

 

 

Edit: Also, "Imperial Space Marine"? Uh, that's not a term I've heard before. And looks like we STILL can't put a captain on a bike. Guess successor chapters continue to get the shaft.

 

I'm also sad to see that the days of a command squad are done. They'll still be useful now, but the specialists are broken out of the squad as characters now, so my heavily customized TH+SS carriers for the command squad are without homies. The DW Command Squad was an awesome centerpiece to build around, and characters no longer operating with units has me bummed for thematic reasons, less than balance ones.

Edited May 30, 2017 by Brother-Captain Sharp

[Guest]

They were exclusive to Warhammer World I wonder if they are getting a general release not sure.

 

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/image-48.jpg

[Pvnisher]

Well the new Jink rules are a pretty heavy nerf. Not unexpected. We'll see how Black Knights interact with it.

 

 

Edit: Also, "Imperial Space Marine"? Uh, that's not a term I've heard before. And looks like we STILL can't put a captain on a bike. Guess successor chapters continue to get the shaft.

 

I'm also sad to see that the days of a command squad are done. They'll still be useful now, but the specialists are broken out of the squad as characters now, so my heavily customized TH+SS carriers for the command squad are without homies. The DW Command Squad was an awesome centerpiece to build around, and characters no longer operating with units has me bummed for thematic reasons, less than balance ones.

Imperial space marine should refer to the 30 year anniversary marine they released last year.

[Brother-Captain Sharp]

Imperial space marine should refer to the 30 year anniversary marine they released last year.

Sure, but it was named as such to hearken back to RT days. Including the name in 40k is an interesting move. We'll have to see what they're doing with it.

[SinnerBeta]

Someone uploaded Sammael on bike and DA special rules on their Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/canhammer_yt/

 

Some of the pictures were already posted here but this appears to be their source so I'm posting it in case they upload more.

Edited May 30, 2017 by SinnerBeta

[Interrogator Stobz]

So a 6 wound mini dies on a new gets hot roll to hit roll of 1, dangerous times for overcharged plasma cannon with its' multiple shots. I guess we're gonna be wounding Chaos marines on 3+ usually then. ;)

The re-roll is useful but no save and dead instead of wounded is dangerous.

[Ronin_eX]

So a 6 wound mini dies on a new gets hot roll to hit roll of 1, dangerous times for overcharged plasma cannon with its' multiple shots. I guess we're gonna be wounding Chaos marines on 3+ usually then.

The re-roll is useful but no save and dead instead of wounded is dangerous.

 

Well, he is inside his own re-roll bubble.  So at least each shot is only a 1-in-36 chance of overheating when overcharged.

 

But maybe this is the edition where Sableclaw is worth taking because it's less generally risky (and hopefully doesn't die in a stiff breeze).

[Orkinstein]

Sammael's weapons are much better now! Rapid fire 4! sword Sx2 when charge.  

[Interrogator Stobz]

Yeah, his other weapons have been suitably boosted, the slight nerf to his cannon is worth it for the 5x WS2+ S8 AP-3 D2 on the charge.

And a bit of horde control is cool too

Edited May 30, 2017 by Interrogator Stobz

[Crazy Jay]

Man, the thought of Sammael being worth taking is enough to bump him to the top of my paint list.