HH Book 46: Ruinstorm

[Biscuittzz]

The precognitions seem like too much plot armour for me. Granted Curze having a vision of being killed by an assassin sent by the Emperor does indeed show the the Emperor was still alive...... but why not just execute him anyway after they come to that realisation? 

 

Sanguinius and Guilliman basically allowed him to live longer than needed and to wreak more havoc before the assassin eventually got him. Did Sanguinius foresee this oversight in his visions? 

[Taliesin]

Anyone have any idea why the hardcover is not available for ordering even though the front page explicitly advertises that it is?

You can only buy the e-book and audio version. Another Black Library F-up?

Edited October 15, 2017 by Taliesin

[rendingon1+]

I bet that in this book the word "fate" appeared more often than in any other HH novel .

[Lord Marshal]

I bet that in this book the word "fate" appeared more often than in any other HH novel .

 

"He swayed aside from his fate."

[Allart01]

 

 

Does Curze escape?

 

Sanguinius puts him into a stasis coffin and jettisons him into space.

 

 

"I cannot let you live. You are too of a threat to us and the Imperium. Still, you are my brother and we both know that your life is not supposed to end here. That is why I will put you in a coffin and threw you into space. If you are lucky, your destiny will come true and you will die. If not, you will die. Either way, you will be gone and forgotten. Your name and that of your Legion along with all the traitor will be expunged from imperial record. Father will prevail. The Imperium will prevail. As long as I live, menkind will end-"

"We both know that this will not last for long, brother. Now, put me in the damn coffin. I cannot bare any more second of your whiny chatter!"

 

 

Why would one doe that? I mean...why? That doesn't make any sense to me as for now...

And by the way, could we make use of spoiler tags, please?

 

 

All I can say is "read it".

I won't spoil it for you - but for me, it was like the BIGGEST MIDDLE FINGER EVER to Curze.

It made my jaw drop, and when you put the event into context, it makes for a very powerful scene.

 

As for the Book in general, I really enjoyed it.

It takes a while to really take fly (the first hundred pages or so are kinda bolter porny...), but when it does, it becomes quite intense.

Sanguinius is finally represented as he deserves.

The Lion is cool as always.

Guilliman is tested and shows some new, interesting sides of himelf.

There are visions of possible futures and they are beautiful, tragic, moving and treacherous at the same time.

Every Primarch has to make a choice - and Sanguinius makes his, even though the author had the skill to make me hope, for a moment, that things could end differently from the way we know.

I recommend it.

Edited October 15, 2017 by The_Bloody

[Izlude]

 

 

 

Does Curze escape?

 

Sanguinius puts him into a stasis coffin and jettisons him into space.

 

 

"I cannot let you live. You are too of a threat to us and the Imperium. Still, you are my brother and we both know that your life is not supposed to end here. That is why I will put you in a coffin and threw you into space. If you are lucky, your destiny will come true and you will die. If not, you will die. Either way, you will be gone and forgotten. Your name and that of your Legion along with all the traitor will be expunged from imperial record. Father will prevail. The Imperium will prevail. As long as I live, menkind will end-"

"We both know that this will not last for long, brother. Now, put me in the damn coffin. I cannot bare any more second of your whiny chatter!"

 

 

Why would one doe that? I mean...why? That doesn't make any sense to me as for now...

And by the way, could we make use of spoiler tags, please?

 

 

All I can say is "read it".

I won't spoil it for you - but for me, it was like the BIGGEST MIDDLE FINGER EVER to Curze.

It made my jaw drop, and when you put the event into context, it makes for a very powerful scene.

 

As for the Book in general, I really enjoyed it.

It takes a while to really take fly (the first hundred pages or so are kinda bolter porny...), but when it does, it becomes quite intense.

Sanguinius is finally represented as he deserves.

The Lion is cool as always.

Guilliman is tested and shows some new, interesting sides of himelf.

There are visions of possible futures and they are beautiful, tragic, moving and treacherous at the same time.

Every Primarch has to make a choice - and Sanguinius makes his, even though the author had the skill to make me hope, for a moment, that things could end differently from the way we know.

I recommend it.

 

Hmm...you have me sold :@)...the middle finger to Curze...can't say no to that!

[helterskelter]

Really selling it to the night lords fans, thanks guys

[rendingon1+]

I know it's a detail but I loved every moment when Sanguinor showed up. Also it seems that from now on he becomes "magical".

I loved the Lion's new golden solution to "how to win this war".  Also finally Sanguinius and Roboute being portrayed like generals/fighters.

BTW to anyone who didn't read it yet - don't get your hopes high on Dramatis Personae list. Some characters appear only as a mention. This is a primarch(s) foccused book.

[Allart01]

Really selling it to the night lords fans, thanks guys can only hope they're left alone for the rest of the series now!

 

Well, yes, the late Heresy hasn't been kind to Curze.

But I believe this finale was a good (likely) sendoff that makes the Night Haunter's epilogue - and indeed his whole story arc- even more tragic than it already was.

I think it was a fine scene, one with power and value.

Off course I realize that my brothers from the VIII may see things differently

Edited October 15, 2017 by The_Bloody

[b1soul]

BL authours have milked Curze for everything he's worth...

 

I believe he dueled the Lion four times...once in Savage Weapons,twice in Prince of Crows, once in Angels of Caliban

 

He fights Sang, he fights Vulkan, he fights Guilliman, he has encounterd with Dorn and Corax...

 

I am glad that Annandale apparently sends him off in powerful fashion

Edited October 16, 2017 by b1soul

[Brother Lunkhead]

Sounds like a great read. Unfortunately my fun budget says I have to wait for it to come out in mmpb. Sigh  On the bright side, maybe I will have forgotten all of the spoilers in this post by then 

[b1soul]

Why would one doe that? I mean...why? That doesn't make any sense to me as for now...

And by the way, could we make use of spoiler tags, please?

MAJOR SPOILER

[Sete]

Seems interesting. I'm tempted.

[Kelborn]

Holy ....!

Thanks, b1soul.

 

This will be a auto buy as soon as it hits my local bookstore. Just purchased Angels of Caliban. Eager to continue the Imperium Secundus arc!

[b1soul]

To me, it reads much better than AoC. The prose is more eloquent and packs more emotional punch.

[hopkins]

ok, my thoughts

 

bolter porn and visions galore, that in the grand scheme of things don't really matter, as we know their destination and outcome

 

yes, it's good to get more introspection & filling in the gaps, especially from sangy and the introduction of the the rage, but it felt like treading water

 

nice to see the lion getting a taste for blowing up traitor planets ....

 

do we get another book now to show the actual journey of the blood angels to terra whilst bobby g & co hold the door open? i kinda expected this book to end with the blood angels on terra. it compares in a way to the crimson king, with a lot of nice writing, but not much forward momentum (yes, i'm well aware who i sound like)

 

if i ever reread it, it'd just be the last bit

 

ps. kinda weird way do deal with curze, and no mention of the rest of the night lords held by the DA

[b1soul]

No mention of Sev? Pity...

[Ashur]

I wonder were are they going with the NL from this point on...

[Wulfburk]

just read it. Liked it,  but definitelly not of the BEST of the series. Bolter porn wasnt much fun, but the events were quite interesting. Best part was definitelly the Herald.

 

Probably not a popular opinion here but from the whole imperium secundus arch, Unremembered Empire, pharos and AoC, Pharos and AoC were much better than this one IMO.

 

 

Also i was kinda disappointed that this book didnt end with Sanguinius saying hello to Rogal Dorn.

 

And uh, im not sure i want another full book to detail the lion attacking the traitor worlds, guilliman fighting against the fleets and the book ending with sanguinius reaching terra....i prefer any next book following sanguinius to start right away with him having reached  the solar system. We didnt even get yet rogal dorn saying hello to jaghatai...

 

And what about Alexis Polux? He was quite important in the imperium secundus.... and obviously he would be quite excited to get to terra, but he is not mentioned in this book. Hopefully he has joined sanguinius fleet and is gonna fight on Terra.

Edited October 16, 2017 by Wulfburk

[1878blue]

This book had some interesting ideas. Particularly regarding the 'barriers' in the Ruinstorm and how it limited the use of Tuchulcha. Once the primarchs were about to depart and leave each other for the final time, I would have preferred some more dialogue between them instead of just two sentences. Even more so once they know it will be the last time they likely see Sanguinius. It felt a bit rushed and cold to me. Not a natural way to depart considering what they have all just endured together.

 

At the end, I also wanted the Lion and Guilliman to send some of their respective marines with the Blood Angels, to make the journey to Terra, so that their legions would be represented at the siege. Say maybe a 1,000 marines each. 

[The Red Thirst]

 

MAJOR SPOILER

 

I actually really like that, less the angel, more a brother scolding his sibling for relying to heavly on his gifts.

 

He gave him something he never had before 'Doubt'

[b1soul]

At the end, I also wanted the Lion and Guilliman to send some of their respective marines with the Blood Angels, to make the journey to Terra, so that their legions would be represented at the siege. Say maybe a 1,000 marines each. 

I'm guessing that this does NOT happen?

 

If so, well...there's still the Crusader Host

[1878blue]

 

At the end, I also wanted the Lion and Guilliman to send some of their respective marines with the Blood Angels, to make the journey to Terra, so that their legions would be represented at the siege. Say maybe a 1,000 marines each. 

I'm guessing that this does NOT happen?

 

If so, well...there's still the Crusader Host

 

Correct. Also, they would have been somewhat experienced at fighting daemons so would have been a valuable asset at the siege. 

[1878blue]

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The book says the 3 Legions entered the Ruinstorm with 2/3s of their respective fleets, leaving a 1/3 to protect Imperium Secundus. Once they break through the Ruinstorm, a full 1/3 of the entire fleet has been destroyed. So I wonder how many Blood Angels then make it to Terra?

I wonder how many Blood Angels actually made it to Terra. The Blood Angels at full strength was 120,000 according to Fear to Tread. So perhaps only just over 50,000 are at Terra for the siege. Edited October 17, 2017 by 1878blue

[helterskelter]

 

 

MAJOR SPOILER

 

I actually really like that, less the angel, more a brother scolding his sibling for relying to heavly on his gifts.

 

He gave him something he never had before 'Doubt'

It's lazy. In my opinion.

We know Curze gets picked up (Well he has to now) by a conveniently arriving vessel, rejoins his legion, needs enough time to actually go bonkers (can't do that when you're still in time), he's aware at some point Sevatar dies, and a relatively new second founding fleet forces the NL off Tsalgualsa after he gets assassinated.

 

Yeah that doubt lasts for a solid 5 minutes, and at no given point before hand has he hoped dad will forgive him else he wouldn't have sucker punched Dorn, murdered a bunch of fists and EC, and had a chat there and then.

 

A case of "too many cooks". In my opinion.