DuskRaider's 40K Nurgle - An Experiment in Flesh and Machine

[Cryptix]

Um, Dusk that technically isn't primer. It says you're supposed to use it for basecoating on the website.

[DuskRaider]

Seriously? I thought it was colored primer like the old Boltgun can... sonuva...

 

I may go over some of it with a thin layer of Leadbelcher from the pot.

[Cryptix]

Yeah, easy mistake. The only two spray primers GW makes are abaddon black and corax white. May I suggest army painter if your in the US? Edited July 24, 2018 by Cryptix

[DuskRaider]

Damn... I just read that. Here I thought I was cutting time and labor out of the equation. I did just pick up Army Painter white primer since my FLGS was out of Corax White, it's actually not bad. I've had bad experience with P3 Primer so I just stuck to Citadel for years now. 

[Gederas]

ALL of the coloured sprays are also primers. You need to use them right, but they do function as primers. It says they're not on the GW site, but there's videos from WarhammerTV showing that the coloured sprays work as primers. That and I asked the GW guy at my local GW and he said they're also primers.

 

I also learned that every GW paint also is made from the same stuff as their primer. So.... yeah

[Augustus b'Raass]

ALL of the coloured sprays are also primers. You need to use them right, but they do function as primers. It says they're not on the GW site, but there's videos from WarhammerTV showing that the coloured sprays work as primers. That and I asked the GW guy at my local GW and he said they're also primers.

 

I also learned that every GW paint also is made from the same stuff as their primer. So.... yeah

Yeah they say that, but really those coloured spray cans are very susceptible to atmospheric conditions. If those are just right, then you can use them as primer. But that's rarely the case, as is shown by DuskRaider's debacle. Better be safe rather than sorry, and spray Leadbelcher over Abbadon Black. :tu:

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

Or don't pay the exorbitant prices for GW spray cans that may or may not work as a primer in the first place. I've been using the $1 cans of Wal-Mart store brand white, black, and grey primer for years and never had any of the problems so many people mention on the internet with GW rattle cans. 

[Sagentus]

They really are susceptable to temp and atmos pressure ... to dry they go like dust to cold they turn into a wash lol 

[DuskRaider]

I would have used Krylon or something but I wanted to ensure the metallics matched. I haven't had an issue with Citadel spray cans until this instance and I still have OLD Space Wolves Gray, Boltgun Metal & whatever the red one was that still actually work. They're so old it's crazy but they're also kept in a temperature controlled area of the house so this may be why they're still good. I just didn't want to risk using a decade plus old spray on my son's Knights.

[hushrong]

Sucks to hear about the rattle can. I hope the paint job gets sorted.

 

That is also a lot of terrain! I'm about to glue what little bits of catwalk I have into modular pieces too as the little tabs to hold them together have gotten loose with use and wear.

[KrautScientist]

 

ALL of the coloured sprays are also primers. You need to use them right, but they do function as primers. It says they're not on the GW site, but there's videos from WarhammerTV showing that the coloured sprays work as primers. That and I asked the GW guy at my local GW and he said they're also primers.

 

I also learned that every GW paint also is made from the same stuff as their primer. So.... yeah

Yeah they say that, but really those coloured spray cans are very susceptible to atmospheric conditions. If those are just right, then you can use them as primer. But that's rarely the case, as is shown by DuskRaider's debacle. Better be safe rather than sorry, and spray Leadbelcher over Abbadon Black.

 

 

THIS. I am also using the Leadbelcher stuff as primer all the time, and for the most part, I've had excellent experiences with it -- except for that one time when it was too warm and I held the can too far away from my Imperial Knight when spraying, leading to a sandpapery texture (due to the paint particles already partially drying while still in the air) -- no fun, and I almost ruined a very expensive model that way.

 

Incidentally, the mishap also had the side effect of making the primed surface react really strangely to any paint or wash I added on top -- maybe it's the same case for you? Did you spray from a significant - too great?! - distance?

 

Primer woes aside, let me just peek my head in and say the conversion work on that latest Knight is just wicked, especially the sculpted, mutated parts. Now you just need to get rid of the stupid face shield on your other knight, and you're golden ;)

 

As for the Necromunda terrain, it's looking like a really cool setup, but I get what you are saying about expecting it to look more substantial: Unless you are willing to drop some serious buck on this terrain, it seems it'll always end up looking stretched a little too thin -- maybe the best strategy would be to supplement it with cheaper material. I picked up some very cheap electrical conduit boxes at the DIY superstore ages ago, with the plan to convert them into modular INQ28/Necromunda terrain at some point, and I think pieces like those, combined with some actual Necromunda terrain, would give you a brilliant setup with a bit more oomph to it.

 

Anyway, keep up the fantastic work! :)

[DuskRaider]

I mean, maybe it was too warm here but the Northeast has been going through a wicked heatwave this summer so anything under 86 feels cool. Spray distance was normal and the armour I did at the same time with Corax White was fine. I don't know, but I've fixed the issue (for the most part) with a quick brush of Leadbelcher over the models.

 

Thank you for the compliments on my green stuff work. It's been a challenge but I do feel more comfortable with it now. Comfortable enough to make more Gal Vorbak into Plague Marines for Kill Team.

 

The face shield stays! I look at it as a challenge, I want to make it work. I promise it will be the only time I use it, no matter how many Knights I eventually have.

 

It's really frustrating with the Sector Mechanicus terrain. I want a large, crowded board as I've always dreamed of since the old Cities of Death and I thought this would make that happen. Unfortunately, the kids just don't give you enough, especially for the walkways. I really wish GW would sell those and the arches separately. I look to Marius' thread with his awe inspiring terrain and really want to emulate that but jeez that's expensive.

[Gederas]

 

ALL of the coloured sprays are also primers. You need to use them right, but they do function as primers. It says they're not on the GW site, but there's videos from WarhammerTV showing that the coloured sprays work as primers. That and I asked the GW guy at my local GW and he said they're also primers.

 

I also learned that every GW paint also is made from the same stuff as their primer. So.... yeah

Yeah they say that, but really those coloured spray cans are very susceptible to atmospheric conditions. If those are just right, then you can use them as primer. But that's rarely the case, as is shown by DuskRaider's debacle. Better be safe rather than sorry, and spray Leadbelcher over Abbadon Black. :tu:

Auggs, I love you man, but seriously:

 

Every spray paint is susceptible to atmospheric conditions. :lol:

 

I've used GW primers/coloured sprays, Army Painter, Krylon, Rustoleum. Every single one of them gets wonky when it gets humid. And DuskRaider is over here in New England, aka "If it's summer, it's a combination of blazing hot, humid, or raining. NO EXCEPTIONS except for once or twice in the span of three months.". Spray priming is playing a dice game with Mother Nature over here. And hers are loaded. :lol:

 

I mean, maybe it was too warm here but the Northeast has been going through a wicked heatwave this summer so anything under 86 feels cool. Spray distance was normal and the armour I did at the same time with Corax White was fine. I don't know, but I've fixed the issue (for the most part) with a quick brush of Leadbelcher over the models.

:cuss-ing PREACH it brother. This heatwave has sucked super hard. Especially since it directly affects both my modelling (can't prime because too hot and humid) and job (I work at AAA, higher heat means more calls).

 

 

Thank you for the compliments on my green stuff work. It's been a challenge but I do feel more comfortable with it now. Comfortable enough to make more Gal Vorbak into Plague Marines for Kill Team.

 

The face shield stays! I look at it as a challenge, I want to make it work. I promise it will be the only time I use it, no matter how many Knights I eventually have.

 

It's really frustrating with the Sector Mechanicus terrain. I want a large, crowded board as I've always dreamed of since the old Cities of Death and I thought this would make that happen. Unfortunately, the kids just don't give you enough, especially for the walkways. I really wish GW would sell those and the arches separately. I look to Marius' thread with his awe inspiring terrain and really want to emulate that but jeez that's expensive.

Yeah, I have to say, the greenstuff work you've been doing has been amazing. It all looks so good. Edited July 25, 2018 by Gederas

[Eldrick Shadowblade]

Damn... I just read that. Here I thought I was cutting time and labor out of the equation. I did just pick up Army Painter white primer since my FLGS was out of Corax White, it's actually not bad. I've had bad experience with P3 Primer so I just stuck to Citadel for years now. 

Man, That's so weird. Most of my bad experiences have been with GW primers. I almost use PS3 primer exclusively. I also live in Arizona now that is almost 120 faranheit and  0% humidity, so I dont have to worry about the fuzzies! Anyway, your armiger has been really inspiring... I've placed an order to build a knight house... might be modeled by the time the next ETL arrives lol...

[DuskRaider]

 

-ing PREACH it brother. This heatwave has sucked super hard. Especially since it directly affects both my modelling (can't prime because too hot and humid) and job (I work at AAA, higher heat means more calls).

 

 

Yeah, I have to say, the greenstuff work you've been doing has been amazing. It all looks so good.

 

 

Dude it's been ridiculous. A couple weeks ago over the 4th of July week it was hotter here than in Texas. The northeast goes from the Amazon in the summer to the tundra. Not much in between. And thanks bud, I'm going to keep working on my green stuff. I used to dread using it and while I'm still not thrilled it's not as bad as it used to be. 

 

 

Man, That's so weird. Most of my bad experiences have been with GW primers. I almost use PS3 primer exclusively. I also live in Arizona now that is almost 120 faranheit and  0% humidity, so I dont have to worry about the fuzzies! Anyway, your armiger has been really inspiring... I've placed an order to build a knight house... might be modeled by the time the next ETL arrives lol...

 

 

Yeah, it's more the humidity that screws it up than anything. Now get to work on that Armiger, my Chaos Knights are lonely and need allies throughout the forum!

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

Seriously not trying to make this sound like a pissing contest for how hot it is in Texas because of the heatwaves hitting lots of places, but we set a new record high on Monday for July 23 at 109 F in the Austin area. I dunno about other states, but August is the worst for heat here. If you live outside Texas, do not plan any trips here in that month. I'm already dreading it. 

 

To keep this semi on topic, I'm not crazy about the face shield on the other knight that Kraut mentioned 'cause it's a bit too cartoony, and I can't really think of a way to make it work but I'll trust you to prove me wrong.

[DuskRaider]

I don't mind a dry heat, but 109? Nah. I'm hoping it cools down in August here but we're getting rain dumped on us every day this week so I fear the humidity will be around for a while. This is why fall is my favorite season (other than the leaves changing, my birthday and my favorite holiday). 

 

MAN... everyone is down on that damn shield. I'll make it work. I'll try. You'll see.

[hushrong]

Dry heat is fine by me. I think last summer we had was muggy and humid. It felt like someone soaked everything in the morning and then the sun came out to steam up the joint.

 

And what post number is a pic of this shield viewable? I looked back a few pages and I think I missed it.

[DuskRaider]

It's this one:

 

[betrayer41]

That view is AWESOME!!!!! Do you do comission knights by any chance? Haha

[Cryptix]

Ha, 116° heat.

I hate California.

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

Here's a better look at the shield. 

 

 

 

It's too cartoony and squig-like for my tastes. 

[DuskRaider]

That view is AWESOME!!!!! Do you do comission knights by any chance? Haha

 

I could do that, but it's going to cost extra for the blur effect. Thanks, BCK... for some reason I thought the one I posted was better but it's obviously not.

 

Speaking of Knights, I've got some to show you guys...

 

As I have stated a few times, I've been working on my son's Knights. We had gotten him the Renegade box for his birthday as he's wanted a Knight since he received his Skitarii codex 2 or 3 years ago. He picked the weapon configuration on them, the face plates, and the House they would represent. House Cadmus. So I've been working on these since I finished the Warhound a few weeks ago. 

 

 

I took the scheme as shown in various publications and online and put my own spin on it, as it were. The armour plating has all been painted in my sunburst-esque technique. I didn't want to use Dark Angels Green on these; in their lore it's stated their armour plating helps them blend in with their home world's vegetation as they hunt mutants or golems or whatever, especially from above. I went with a more drab base color and built up to a brighter green which I think looks much better than the stock GW scheme. 

 

 

I HATED painting the yellow. Despised it to my core. It was so damn finicky and for some reason the paint was giving me issues with blending but in the end I love the result. It grabs your eye and makes you focus on the other details from there.

 

 

In contrast to the armour paneling and trim which looks fairly well kept, the frame is aged and dingy. The way I look at it is armour panels are repaired or replaced from campaign to campaign or pilot while the frame of the Knight; it's bones and structure; are ancient. Millennia old, perhaps even dating to the Age of Technology for those who have been lucky enough to last that long. 

 

 

I have yet to finish the transfers on these models. One reason is there's only enough House Cadmus transfers for a single Knight in the box. The other is I abhor applying them. God, it's frustrating. As it is, one of the eagles on the legs was damaged so it has a derpy looking head. I'll probably do a pass of black around it as if it's chipped off a bit. Eventually I'll finish them, most likely Friday when my friend comes over with his transfers.

 

 

A large amount of time was spent carefully panel lining the armour and adding a bit of weathering to the trim. I want it to look pristine but still used. I had already decided I wasn't going extreme with damage or wear. I'm particularly happy with how this turned out, it's not easy holding me back from adding rust and wear 

 

 

Reppin' the AnCap, lol. I had originally intended to use the sunburst technique on the black as well akin to my Death Guard, but when I saw the flat plain black next to the stylized yellow it just seemed so striking that I had to keep it. I love the contrast.

 

 

My son had wanted me to replace the yellow of the Cadmus scheme with gold after seeing the trim on my Warhound. After a hearty, manly dad-like chuckle I told him no way. I did promise I'd squeeze some gold on the model elsewhere, however. The eagles throughout the models and the icons on the carapace have been painted in an aged gold scheme similar to what I did with my Custodes when they were released in BoP.

 

 

Here's Knight #2. I tried talking him into a Battle Cannon but he loves Chainswords so I capitulated and here's the result. 

 

 

I'm in love with the blend on the Chainsword. It almost looks like fire. I think I surprised myself more than anyone else with this, I didn't think I'd pull it off right.

 

 

The Avenger Gatling Cannon. I knew I had to do heat stain on the barrels, it adds more... oomph... to the model. Probably not my best attempt at it, but it still works. 

 

 

I had flirted with the idea of adding LEDs to the heads of the Knights but in the end decided it was too much hassle. Their lenses are red but obviously you can't even see them so whatever.

 

 

There is some soot on engine vents as well as the stacks.

 

 

Super Smash Bros

 

As I write this I'm getting ready to paint my Makabius... this ought to be a hoot.

[DuskRaider]

OH... I just saw this beauty of a kit on dakkadakka...

 

 

... so suffice to say I just purchased another Knight 

[Brother-Chaplain Kage]

I think they look great and I feel your pain with painting yellow, but it does look good.