World Eaters lore questions

[Walter Payton]

Hello,

 

I have some questions about the World Eaters in the Horus Heresy.  I know some of these are doubtless answered in Betrayer, but my life is currently in boxes and I don't know where my copy is 

 

1. Did any loyalist World Eaters survive Istvaan III in any numbers - ie, not including Knights-Errant like Macer Varren?  I know there is a canon reference to a group of loyalist Death Guard who repainted themselves in their old Dusk Raiders colours, and I do truly love the War Hounds scheme...

 

2. Could the Butcher's Nails that were implanted into the ordinary World Eaters (not Angron's original version) be removed without killing them?

 

3. When in the Heresy did the World Eaters become fully Khornate?

 

4. When did they start painting their pauldrons red?

 

Thanks guys,

 

Glory to the 12th! 

[Brother Aiwass]

At least one WE was leading some loyalist blackshields IIRC, forgot his name tho.

[1ncarnadine]

Hello,

 

I have some questions about the World Eaters in the Horus Heresy.  I know some of these are doubtless answered in Betrayer, but my life is currently in boxes and I don't know where my copy is 

 

1. Did any loyalist World Eaters survive Istvaan III in any numbers - ie, not including Knights-Errant like Macer Varren?  I know there is a canon reference to a group of loyalist Death Guard who repainted themselves in their old Dusk Raiders colours, and I do truly love the War Hounds scheme...

 

2. Could the Butcher's Nails that were implanted into the ordinary World Eaters (not Angron's original version) be removed without killing them?

 

3. When in the Heresy did the World Eaters become fully Khornate?

 

4. When did they start painting their pauldrons red?

 

Thanks guys,

 

Glory to the 12th! 

 

1) Probably! And there may have been small elements off Isstvan III that survived, or on small escort ships that made it nowhere near as far as the Eisenstein. I think it more likely that most World Eaters that were betrayed on-planet were too pissed to not get themselves killed, but there were probably enough to easily constitute a tabletop force of up to a hundred loyalist escapees or whatever you're looking to do.

 

2) Uh, maybe? It might be interesting to explore the ramifications of that, though. Maybe it leaves them utterly unable to feel joy and totally wrecks the pleasure centers of their brains or something.

 

3 and 4) It didn't happen all at once for either. Different individuals, squads and/or companies embraced these changes at different rates. There are World Eaters who are still in weathered blue and white in Khârn: Eater of Worlds (which is set just before Skalathrax and the shattering of the Legion). On the other hand, there may have been World Eaters early on who had close ties to Sarum who were in red very early on, maybe even before Angron's ascension. It's turning out that when the World Eaters liberated Sarum, they may have overlooked some dark shenanigans going on there in favor of getting in cahoots with a Forge World for once. If ever there was a Legion that would overlook all the tech priests having endless, whirring lamprey mouths for faces, of course it's the World Eaters...

[Kais Klip]

On regards to the first point; you'd be surprised. Autek Mor's attack on Bodt reveals a whole loyalist contigent of World Eaters; although they were driven so mad by betrayal at Istvaan III that they were used as Red Butcher formations by the Traitors, and couldn't recognize the Loyalists they were fighting. 

 

One of the best points of fluff in the entire setting. 

[RandomMarine]

On regards to the first point; you'd be surprised. Autek Mor's attack on Bodt reveals a whole loyalist contigent of World Eaters; although they were driven so mad by betrayal at Istvaan III that they were used as Red Butcher formations by the Traitors, and couldn't recognize the Loyalists they were fighting.

 

One of the best points of fluff in the entire setting.

That whole book is full of great fluff.

 

Autek Mor is a badass

[blackoption]

Loyalist World Eaters did survive past Istvaan III. Praetor Endryd Haar was a loyalist commander who the world eaters thought lost before the heresy began.  He was one of the Original Terran War Hounds (as in the first class inducted into the legion) who was so bad*ss that any loyalist WE attached to him get to ignore some negative side effects of the butchers nails.  Haar never submitted to the butcher's nails himself.  He can be used both as a loyalist commander (with LA:World Eaters in ANY list) or as a Blackshield.  If you want loyalist World Eaters, i'd suggest you look at him.  He is in the same book where Autek Mor drops a moon on a planet (Retribution if I remember correctly)