Charlo Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Don't post in the HAMMER OF THE EMPEROR section often... But something caught my eye! BULLGRYNS! They look bloody great with the Mauls, 2+ or 4++ save, 3 S7 -1AP 2D that hit on a 3+ in combat. 4 on the charge and 5 for the squad leader! Seem like the ultimate counter charge unit, with Nork also adding some tasty attacks if you want to bring him aswell. You can even hide 4 of them in a Chimera patiently waiting for any would be chargers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanlee Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Yep they are very good in this edition which is nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilt_imp Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Don't post in the HAMMER OF THE EMPEROR section often... But something caught my eye! BULLGRYNS! They look bloody great with the Mauls, 2+ or 4++ save, 3 S7 -1AP 2D that hit on a 3+ in combat. 4 on the charge and 5 for the squad leader! Seem like the ultimate counter charge unit, with Nork also adding some tasty attacks if you want to bring him aswell. You can even hide 4 of them in a Chimera patiently waiting for any would be chargers... Yes, you can. Or use 3 in a Chimera with double flamers and a Ministorum Priest for +1 attack also. Add Commissar to taste too. Or Grav Chute them out of a Valkyrie for really getting up close with the enemy fast ^ Yes, they really became better in 8th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 6, 2017 Author Share Posted July 6, 2017 (edited) Wow. Basically I'm looking into making some Combat troops for my ad mech and getting some big bulky tech priests designed to hit things hard seemed like a good start Also Valkyrie seems like the easiest first turn charge ever...?! Edited July 6, 2017 by Charlo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanlee Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Don't post in the HAMMER OF THE EMPEROR section often... But something caught my eye! BULLGRYNS! They look bloody great with the Mauls, 2+ or 4++ save, 3 S7 -1AP 2D that hit on a 3+ in combat. 4 on the charge and 5 for the squad leader! Seem like the ultimate counter charge unit, with Nork also adding some tasty attacks if you want to bring him aswell. You can even hide 4 of them in a Chimera patiently waiting for any would be chargers... Yes, you can. Or use 3 in a Chimera with double flamers and a Ministorum Priest for +1 attack also. Add Commissar to taste too. Or Grav Chute them out of a Valkyrie for really getting up close with the enemy fast ^_^ ^ Yes, they really became better in 8th. That's my biggest problem where to put them chimera or Valkyrie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFlutterPie Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 I'm building a Ogryn Airbourne Drop Corps that is a bunch of Bullgryns grav chutting out of Valkyries supported by Vulture Gunships (to clear the LZ) and a Thunderbolt (to keep the skies friendly). I'm hoping to sculpt little tiny berets for them and make their bases craters from where they landed. robofish7591 and gilt_imp 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatBrannigan Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 I really really miss them giving better cover to units behind with the Slab Shields but apart from that they're ace. Much better than 7th. Chimera or Valkyrie though? Clearly they belong in a CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT! Or a Storm Lord I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanlee Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 I really really miss them giving better cover to units behind with the Slab Shields but apart from that they're ace. Much better than 7th. Chimera or Valkyrie though? Clearly they belong in a CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT! Or a Storm Lord I guess. A lot of money and points for a storm Lord or Crassus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilt_imp Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Ha, who would of thought Guardsmen would ever have to debate the best way to get their Bullgryns into combat At least there is a few good options. Even the Taurox is good as a budget choice just for 3 Bullgryns. As with anything I guess it depends on the rest of your force, and as tough as they are they will still need support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 They're looking good in 8th, especially as you can mix and match equipment now. I'm thinking mostly 2+ shields but some 4++ and they'll be durable and quite potent too. They're high on my queue ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanlee Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Mmmmmm all this talk about bullgryns got me thinking I might have to pick up 3 boxes from gw on Friday duz_ and WarriorFish 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 All Auxillia detachments need to report to the commissariat for pictures ;) duz_, MrFlutterPie, Azekai and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Bullgryns are quite solid. I am wondering what shield option is better for them. 2+ is actually quite solid, especially when you throw in Astra Telepathica psyker for the save buff power. And of course the slab shields look way better than those goofy energy shields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imperialguard Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Yeah, the Bulls' look really strong. Out of curiosity, what do people think of standard Ogryns? Are their any tactical situations where they would be a better choice than Bulls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Not really, their grenade launchers are not impressive compared to standard IG dakka, whereas their melee versions are a somewhat unique offering (scout sentinels being the other option). I also like Nork in any forward detachment to protect the commissar and commander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatBrannigan Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 2 Boxes for me soon. A 5 man unit with Slab shields and Nork. Probably just hanging about near my Infantry to counter-charge anything that reaches my lines. I'm not convinced by any of the transport options except the superheavies but they are points and monies intensive... I'm still determined to get one as an army centrepiece but a Malacdor Infernus is still my favourite option for that. Can Bullgryns sit on the fuel tank perhaps? If it explodes each model in the unit takes 17 Mortal Wounds? Emicus 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 The grenade launcher isn't great, going for mauls for a pure combat unit is better. I do have one already done unfortunately but maybe a couple can give them something to do while closing. The 2+ shield is definitely best, which is why I'm thinking that you'd only want one or two 4++ to tank the AP negating shots (for my five Bullgryn squad that is - 1 is Nork ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 7, 2017 Author Share Posted July 7, 2017 They're looking good in 8th, especially as you can mix and match equipment now. I'm thinking mostly 2+ shields but some 4++ and they'll be durable and quite potent too. They're high on my queue I didn't even think about mixing them...! While yes, if one takes a wound you then have to assign to them until they die, being able to chose a 2+ for anything with 0-2AP and a 4++ for anything AP3+ would be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) They're looking good in 8th, especially as you can mix and match equipment now. I'm thinking mostly 2+ shields but some 4++ and they'll be durable and quite potent too. They're high on my queue I didn't even think about mixing them...! While yes, if one takes a wound you then have to assign to them until they die, being able to chose a 2+ for anything with 0-2AP and a 4++ for anything AP3+ would be awesome. I routinely fight bullgryns, and they tend to run mixed. The player who runs them almost always uses a command point reroll the first failed 4++, allowing him to tank Penitent engine attacks like nothing else. Edited July 7, 2017 by Beams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lash144 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Which loadout do you prefer with a Chimera with 2xHF: - 4 Bullgryns - 3 Bullgryns + Priest + (Lord) Commissar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 7, 2017 Author Share Posted July 7, 2017 I think the latter is just a lot more efficient. You could also fit a Psyker in there for lulz too cant you? lash144 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lash144 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Sure there is one empty seat in the Chimera. Do you want the Psyker for the +1 save or Emperors Gaze? The bad thing with the +1 save is, that your Priest and Commissar can't join the Bullgryns so they won't benefit from that +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Ill be kitting mine with 2 slabs and 1 4++ shield (on the bone 'ead I guess?) They will all have mauls, although ivr magnetised all the options in case they stop us from mix and matching again ... Im not sure what use ogryns will be. Although I'm still going to repaint mine. I might use them as defensive counter assault units whilst my Bullgryns will be bringing the fight to the enemy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 That's a very good point about mixing and matching the units. I am going to be buying two boxes myself here pretty soon (for a 5-man squad and Nork like many others), so I may have to give one the goofy little baby shield. Magnetizing the shields is super easy, too, so there is always that option. I think running them in Chimeras is the best route, although I don't care for the double heavy flamer variant (simply too many points). I think I would probably accompany them with some regular infantry as well, because you need numbers to capture objectives. So for example take two Chimeras (Gryphonne is my preferred one). Commissar Lord Priest Command Squad with 4x flamers SWS with 3x flamers Chimera Nork 3x Bullgryns Chimera Nork can keep the two characters standing longer, guardsmen nuke other infantry and give you 10 more bodies to throw at objectives. Then add ANOTHER chimera with 4 more bullgryns. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are Verlo Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) Teaming commissar Yarrick up with the bullgryns could be fantastic. He is durable, boosts morale and lets all IG (I will never call them by their new name) units within 6" reroll 1´s to hit At the premium cost of 130 pts he is a touch more expensive than a regular commissar or commisar lord. But he brings so muh to the table :-D Edited July 7, 2017 by Are Verlo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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