Chaos codex release date 8/5/17

[Commissar K.]

Go for it.

Well first things first.

 

I would like to know what Games Workshop wants to do with Legion, as the Codex has put some restrictions on it.

For example:

- Death Guard cannot be used as a Legion name for this Codex' Datasheet

- Thousand Sons cannot be used as a Legion name for this Codex' Datasheet

- Can Fallen be used as a Legion name for this Codex' Datasheet?

 

Page 116 leaves us with more questions again in my opinion:

 

Botten left tells us the Death Guard, Thousand Sons and Fallen deviate significantly... As a result you cannot choose one of these keywords for units from this Codex.

 

So then the next question is, the Plague Marines, with new gear and all (Datasheet) is available to use for Death Guard? Or isn't it available to use because it's a unit from this Codex.

 

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When we go fast forward to the Legion Traits, suddenly Fallen (Keyword) is amongst the available Keywords and thus can be used? This directly contradicts page 116...

 

 

Then we have some ways to use our wonderful CP, which also leads to a potential Daemon Prince, but what exactly is the Daemon Prince equiped with? Nothing? I mean for the Chaos Spawn the choice is rather clear, for the Daemon Prince the suggestion is not made that he thakes over the Wargear or that he comes with items himself...

 

 

Lastly we have some Warlord Traits:

 

 

Lord of Terror tells us opponents have to make Morale tests with three dice and the highest result... So do we drop a dice from that or is it just three dice? Or as some might want to read it do we use the highest result possible on three dice? ;) 

 

We'll have some more fun soon.

[Ulfast]

Just a question: I got the codex today and was looking over the diffrent new artifact of chaos. If I understand it right you get one of those for free (you only need to pay basic cost, say power sword to get the murder sword) if your warlord is a chaos space marine (no daemon prince). Is this correct or have I missed something?

[Commissar K.]

Your Warlord gets one for free, as far as I know you have one Warlord This can also be a Daemon Prince.

Note how some Artefacts are bound to other Wargear, such as a Power Axe. This means it's a upgrade to that and thus also only available to Warlords with that Wargear.

For example, a Daemon Prince of Khorne cannot have the Axe Artefact because a Daemon Prince of Khorne cannot have a Power Axe to begin with.

Just a question: I got the codex today and was looking over the diffrent new artifact of chaos. If I understand it right you get one of those for free (you only need to pay basic cost, say power sword to get the murder sword) if your warlord is a chaos space marine (no daemon prince). Is this correct or have I missed something?

 

Edited August 12, 2017 by Commissar K.

[Pointystick11]

Are mounted lords gone? Can I still use a lord on a steed of slaanesh? If yes, do I have to use the points for wargear from the chaos index? Can he take an artifact or use the warlord traits from the new book?

 

Also, am I allowed to play a renegade chapter, but use the legion trait of another legion? (As they suggested doing with the matinee codex and successor chapters?)

Edited August 12, 2017 by Pointystick11

[Commissar K.]

Yes to the first, use the Index entry and Wargear options for latest points. Based on GWs article.

 

If you are Renegade you must use that trait, the WE trait for example is exclusive to WE Keyword.

[Lord Asvaldir]

You don't "have" to use that trait. Yes you're supposed to but you could just run your own unique world eaters successor warband and just use the world eaters keyword for rules purposes if you want to use their tactics.

[Commissar K.]

Also possible, but you would still have to change Legion to World Eaters if you do so.

 

This clearity is very important in my opinion..

[Lord Asvaldir]

Yeah but if for the fluff purposes of my personal world eaters break off warband I want to call them say the skulltakers are you really going to say "no you can't do that HAS to be called world eaters if you want to use their rules." I think it's fine if a player wants to run something like that and I'm not going to pester them about the exact name of their warband.

[Commissar K.]

By the rules Skulltakers are Renegades. Dont get this mixed up. What I would do to represent this is still use the World Eater Keyword.

 

As above clearity is important.

[Castigator]

Yeah but if for the fluff purposes of my personal world eaters break off warband I want to call them say the skulltakers are you really going to say "no you can't do that HAS to be called world eaters if you want to use their rules." I think it's fine if a player wants to run something like that and I'm not going to pester them about the exact name of their warband.

 

As long as it clearly states on your army list (and you tell your opponent) that Skulltakers use World Eaters rules, you will be fine.

My Castigators use Emperor's Children rules, but they're not an Emperor's Children Warband.

[Aothaine]

 

 

Lord of Terror tells us opponents have to make Morale tests with three dice and the highest result... So do we drop a dice from that or is it just three dice? Or as some might want to read it do we use the highest result possible on three dice?  

 

We'll have some more fun soon.

 

 

Just want to make a small correction here. It says to "must roll an extra dice ... and use the highest result." 

 

To me this means they roll 2d6 not thre dice. Also, use the highest result means you pick the dice that rolled the highest and use that as the roll. It seems pretty clear to me.

[Commissar K.]

 

 

Yeah but if for the fluff purposes of my personal world eaters break off warband I want to call them say the skulltakers are you really going to say "no you can't do that HAS to be called world eaters if you want to use their rules." I think it's fine if a player wants to run something like that and I'm not going to pester them about the exact name of their warband.

As long as it clearly states on your army list (and you tell your opponent) that Skulltakers use World Eaters rules, you will be fine.

My Castigators use Emperor's Children rules, but they're not an Emperor's Children Warband.

For Tournaments I strongly advise asking your TO. Personally Id say dont do it for the Keyword clarity.

 

Calling your army Skulltakers is fine. But use WE Keyword for all Traits etc you want.

[Lord Asvaldir]

What Castigor is exactly what I was thinking of, really don't see what the problem is with using world eaters rules but making your own fluff. Really shouldn't be limited by making your own army name/background.

[Cryptix]

The reason these Plague Marines can't be Death Guard is because they are the elite version. In their Codex they'll be Troops and have the Death Guard keyword automatically.

[Commissar K.]

The reason these Plague Marines can't be Death Guard is because they are the elite version. In their Codex they'll be Troops and have the Death Guard keyword automatically.

I get that but can this new datasheet and cost be used, incl new wargear?

[Pointystick11]

Yes to the first, use the Index entry and Wargear options for latest points. Based on GWs article.

 

If you are Renegade you must use that trait, the WE trait for example is exclusive to WE Keyword.

Sorry, can I ask what article you mean? I'm still unclear. Can I take a lord of chaos on a steed of slaanesh still, and would a power fist cost 12 or 20 pts?

 

As for the second point, that sucks. Looks like my renegade chapter just became an emperor's children warband.

[Commissar K.]

 

Yes to the first, use the Index entry and Wargear options for latest points. Based on GWs article.

 

If you are Renegade you must use that trait, the WE trait for example is exclusive to WE Keyword.

Sorry, can I ask what article you mean? I'm still unclear. Can I take a lord of chaos on a steed of slaanesh still, and would a power fist cost 12 or 20 pts?

 

As for the second point, that sucks. Looks like my renegade chapter just became an emperor's children warband.

As per Warhammer Community article, you can use the datasheet from the Index. The Codex is essentially an update to some datasheets.

You are also required to use the most up to date cost of Wargear. So the PF is 12.

 

The options are there, cant say they suck. I get that its somewhat a pitty that Traits arnt Mark based, but it is what it is.

Edited August 12, 2017 by Commissar K.

[Plaguecaster]

Commissar K you really are nitpicking when it is pretty clear like this

If you actually read it it says this

In the rules described in this section we often refer to ‘Chaos Space Marine units’. This is shorthand for any unit that has ONE OF THE FOLLOWING FACTION KEYWORDS. The FALLEN KEYWORD is included simply included because is is one of the multiple keyword in the book which a chaos Space marine detachment can only be made up of so having a unit of falllen or Cypher it will still count as a chaos marine dettechment but you if include Thousand Sons or another faction then it no longer counts as a CHAOS SPACE MARINE DETTACHMENT so you lose all benefits only available to them like traits, strategems etc

 

 

Ok this is laughable and downright insulting only a WAAC player would try arguing this :D what does it say "Your character is slain" seems pretty clear cut the daemon prince won't get your character wargear since he is not the same model "add a Daemon prince to your army" sweet free daemon prince that doesn't use reinforcement points but what is a daemon prince and what is he armed with??? Turn to pg 123 what does it say for a daemon prince??? "A Daemon Prince is a single model armed with a hellforged sword and a set of malefic talon" you have your answer ;) though it's kinda hard to see why It was a problem in the first place

Edited August 12, 2017 by Plaguecaster

[Lord Asvaldir]

I don't know why for the second time in a row GW just can't get the accension to daemonhood ability right. How hard would it be to remove the current wording and just say something like "your character is replaced with a daemon prince with xyz wargear but retains any artifacts he had and does not count as being slain." Really not that hard..

[Pointystick11]

As per Warhammer Community article, you can use the datasheet from the Index. The Codex is essentially an update to some datasheets.

You are also required to use the most up to date cost of Wargear. So the PF is 12.

 

The options are there, cant say they suck. I get that its somewhat a pitty that Traits arnt Mark based, but it is what it is.

Ah okay, I must have missed that one. Do you have a link? It's weird they didn't just include them in the book...

 

Fair enough! Ah well. I assume 99% of people will be fine with Fielding renegade chapters that use legion traits.

[XstaSea]

Can only your warlord equip a relic? Or can any model that has an item to switch out with a relic take one?

[Lord Asvaldir]

Pretty sure any character can take a relic as long as they have the right equipment for it.

[Plaguecaster]

You may take relics provided your warlord is a chaos space marine character though the relic can be give to any character, however the relic weapons can only be swapped for existing gear so to get a black mace you must replace a character's power maul for it (though you still pay for the power maul cost) Edited August 13, 2017 by Plaguecaster

[Sersi]

Can only your warlord equip a relic? Or can any model that has an item to switch out with a relic take one?

 

The codex says any character as the Warlord for your army is a CSM. 

[Plaguecaster]

Evening fellow traitors. Was finally able to dig in to the new codex today after putting the kid to sleep. I'm enjoying it so far; really liking the layout, artwork and fluff.

 

I had one question that immediately stuck out to me, and I haven't been able to get the specific answer in the codex or on these forums so I apologize if it's been answered elsewhere.

 

When summoning demons, we use the 4/5 POWER LEVELs in the codex? Can we attempt to summon more using the higher power, or can we only ever summon the base 10 models? Thanks for any insight.