The Angels Laridae

[stereo_mike]

 

I said it was a good concept but time spent on painting does not equal good painting

Welcome to the B+C and the Ravenspire. Now that 100% of your posts so far has been spent telling someone how their paint job is not good, maybe share a constructive suggestion about what you would do differently?

 

That quote has nothing to do with my opinion on his painting skills. it just says that more time has nothing to do with how good something is. I think he could agree that his painting is sloppy in places. I would suggest that using thinner layers of paint would produce a much smoother and crisper final result. 

Edited August 28, 2017 by stereo_mike

[stereo_mike]

 

I said it was a good concept but time spent on painting does not equal good painting

Welcome to the B+C and the Ravenspire. Now that 100% of your posts so far has been spent telling someone how their paint job is not good, maybe share a constructive suggestion about what you would do differently?

 

Not sure why you are singling me out but ok..... i think that this guy would agree that his painting is sloppy in places and i would suggest that when painting white he use much thinner layers of white to get a smoother finish. 

[IntoBread]

It does not look like he paints white Mike, more that he sprays them white and then goes from there

[Gulltramarine]

It does not look like he paints white Mike, more that he sprays them white and then goes from there

 

 

Undercoating white models with white? Gadzooks, I've been rumbled!

[deathspectersgt7]

Like the Seagull symbol . Looking forward to seeing some new additions down the road.

[IntoBread]

 

 

It does not look like he paints white Mike, more that he sprays them white and then goes from there

 

Undercoating white models with white? Gadzooks, I've been rumbled!

But it's not painted after is it? If so then this is an unintentional dig at your painting

[Gulltramarine]

 

But it's not painted after is it? If so then this is an unintentional dig at your painting

 

 

 

I took an unintentional dig of yer ma

Edited August 28, 2017 by Gulltramarine

[IntoBread]

 

 

But it's not painted after is it? If so then this is an unintentional dig at your painting

 

 

I took an unintentional dig of yer ma

Sir (assuming) there's no need to insult my family, goes completely against the forum rules and just makes you seem like a small little man

[duz_]

It would appear some new recruits have joined B&C without reviewing the rules first

 

B&C prides itself on being a supportive community which helps Fraters enjoy and improve all aspect of their hobby experience. 

As such, B&C certainly supports constructive criticism and suggestions. However, do not mistake this has an opportunity to be belligerent and belittle fellow Frater! 

Furthermore, when a Moderator nudges a thread and warns about tone, this should not be brushed off and used an opportunity to argue within a thread. 

 

In future please be respectful of others. If you have any concerns you can PM myself, Race Bannon, or one of the mod team. 

 

 

 

 

[Gulltramarine]

It would appear some new recruits have joined B&C without reviewing the rules first

 

B&C prides itself on being a supportive community which helps Fraters enjoy and improve all aspect of their hobby experience. 

As such, B&C certainly supports constructive criticism and suggestions. However, do not mistake this has an opportunity to be belligerent and belittle fellow Frater! 

Furthermore, when a Moderator nudges a thread and warns about tone, this should not be brushed off and used an opportunity to argue within a thread. 

 

In future please be respectful of others. If you have any concerns you can PM myself, Race Bannon, or one of the mod team. 

 

 

Thanks Duz

[Claws and Effect]

That was a bit harsh. The comment I mean, not the mod warning. 

 

The models look good. White is extremely hard to use as a primary color. Which is why my veterans don't have white arms and I'm dreading the White Scar allies that I'm going to paint eventually. Paintjob elitism has ZERO place here. None. Not everyone is a Golden Demon contestant, and not everyone wants to be. I know I don't. 

 

@TauFish: Your comments here are a good example of why some people dislike Tau players. White isn't a color scheme? Really? Then why are 75% of the Tau armies I see painted primarily white? 

 

Personally, I like the seagull concept. It's an out of the box choice. There are enough hawks, eagles, falcons, and assorted "fierce" birds that have chapters named for them. Besides, have you ever seen a flock of gulls that spotted food? Imagine that, but with jump packs. 

Edited August 28, 2017 by Claws and Effect

[Gulltramarine]

For the record, I'm not offended in any way and nobody should feel the need to jump to my defense. I'm not the best painter but hey ho. To reply properly to the seagull thing, when I returned to the hobby I wanted to do a chapter based on a more domestic animal than SM legions normally use. I was originally going to do a legion based on domestic cats, with tails and ears and the like, but the project was beyond my conversion and painting skills at the time. I liked seagulls because they are tenacious and violent, have a unique colour scheme and I could easily build them around my love of jump packs. If you think about it, they're far more combative than a raven, they just don't have any mythical or symbolic weight I guess

 

 

Also, would never have picked white if I had known. By the time I realised how difficult it was to paint, it was too late.

[duz_]

I regularly curse at myself for using pure white on my RG models, and painting my IG tanks white... 

Theres a reason commission painters charge extra for white and yellow! ;)

[Claws and Effect]

For the record, I'm not offended in any way and nobody should feel the need to jump to my defense. I'm not the best painter but hey ho. To reply properly to the seagull thing, when I returned to the hobby I wanted to do a chapter based on a more domestic animal than SM legions normally use. I was originally going to do a legion based on domestic cats, with tails and ears and the like, but the project was beyond my conversion and painting skills at the time. I liked seagulls because they are tenacious and violent, have a unique colour scheme and I could easily build them around my love of jump packs. If you think about it, they're far more combative than a raven, they just don't have any mythical or symbolic weight I guess

 

It's not so much people jumping to your defense. The Bolter and Chainsword is, generally speaking, one of the most troll-free forums I've ever seen. 

 

Trash talking someone's painting without offering any kind of advice to improve it = Not. Cool. 

 

The Raven Guard subforum is, ironically, one of the friendliest parts of this board (ironic because the Raven Guard themselves are kind of antisocial, even by Astartes standards). I don't want to see people coming into MY house and being jerks without offering anything constructive. 

 

(Okay, it's Race's house, I'm just crashing on the couch)

[TauFish]

@TauFish: Your comments here are a good example of why some people dislike Tau players. White isn't a color scheme? Really? Then why are 75% of the Tau armies I see painted primarily white?

 

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@Claws and Effect

 

So me saying I don't don't think spraying everything white is a colour scheme somehow allows you to make a connection to being a Tau player ?

 

I would say the same about a white Tau army if it was just spray white and go.

 

By the way, what army do you play as I would like to make a general unrelated connection about you and your army?

For the record, I'm not offended in any way and nobody should feel the need to jump to my defense. I'm not the best painter but hey ho. To reply properly to the seagull thing, when I returned to the hobby I wanted to do a chapter based on a more domestic animal than SM legions normally use. I was originally going to do a legion based on domestic cats, with tails and ears and the like, but the project was beyond my conversion and painting skills at the time. I liked seagulls because they are tenacious and violent, have a unique colour scheme and I could easily build them around my love of jump packs. If you think about it, they're far more combative than a raven, they just don't have any mythical or symbolic weight I guess

 

 

Thanks for the reasoning on why you went with SeaGulls. I think I get your motivation in using them as a background element for your army.

 

I think I would have liked to see your Cat based army as well, I assume you wouldn't have gone for a white colour scheme with it? (Unless you were going to base it on particular breed?)

I do think it would be worth following up on at I do think there is a gap for a cat (domestic/non-domestic) based chapter. I think I would prefer a non-domestic, big cat theme.

[NiceGuyAdi]

Besides, have you ever seen a flock of gulls that spotted food? Imagine that, but with jump packs.

This. A few weeks ago I was sat on the beach sharing an ice cream with my daughter. The seagull hovering overhead waiting for me to stop paying attention to him put me far more ill at ease than any Raven I've come by. The greedy :cuss.

 

Gull, you may find basecoaring watered down Ceramite White or Ulthuan Grey with a sponge helps get even coverage. It sounded ridiculous to me when I first heard it, but it made a huge difference to me for quickly putting down a smooth, even basecoat on vehicles.

[Claws and Effect]

 

@TauFish: Your comments here are a good example of why some people dislike Tau players. White isn't a color scheme? Really? Then why are 75% of the Tau armies I see painted primarily white?

 

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@Claws and Effect

 

So me saying I don't don't think spraying everything white is a colour scheme somehow allows you to make a connection to being a Tau player ?

 

I would say the same about a white Tau army if it was just spray white and go.

 

By the way, what army do you play as I would like to make a general unrelated connection about you and your army?

 

 

Addressed in order: 

 

1) No, the connection to you being a Tau player came from the fact that your forum handle is TauFish. 

 

2) Fair enough. But Gulltramarine's models are clearly not just "spray white and go".

 

3) My profile pic is the Raven Guard chapter symbol, so the army I play should be fairly obvious.

 

 

The comment about the white paint scheme was only part of what I was talking about.

 

Gulltramarine chose seagulls as his inspiration. You said they are "Just vermin, really", and then went on to say that they are good at stealing food from kids and old people, and fouling statues. 

 

The attitude you projected in that post was completely dismissive of something the OP clearly put a lot of thought into, and came across as very arrogant. And that was before you even got to the unwarranted criticism of his paint scheme. 

 

And I have encountered similar attitudes among Tau players. All Tau players? No. That's why I specifically said "some".  

 

Edit: 

 

I don't want to argue with people in this thread. It just bugged me that the OP came up with a unique idea with a fairly well executed paint scheme by a non-professional painter, and people who are apparently brand new to the forum came it and started bashing it. I don't normally put much stock in post counts, but it just looks bad when someone has fewer than 10 posts and the first few of them come off as dismissive or rude. 

 

If being rude wasn't your intent, then I apologize for taking it the wrong way. Perhaps you could try what I do: Re-read what I've typed and ask myself "Does this sound like I'm being a dick?" 

Edited August 28, 2017 by Claws and Effect

[TauFish]

 

 

 

@TauFish: Your comments here are a good example of why some people dislike Tau players. White isn't a color scheme? Really? Then why are 75% of the Tau armies I see painted primarily white?

 

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@Claws and Effect

 

So me saying I don't don't think spraying everything white is a colour scheme somehow allows you to make a connection to being a Tau player ?

 

I would say the same about a white Tau army if it was just spray white and go.

 

By the way, what army do you play as I would like to make a general unrelated connection about you and your army?

Addressed in order:

 

1) No, the connection to you being a Tau player came from the fact that your forum handle is TauFish.

 

2) Fair enough. But Gulltramarine's models are clearly not just "spray white and go".

 

3) My profile pic is the Raven Guard chapter symbol, so the army I play should be fairly obvious.

 

 

The comment about the white paint scheme was only part of what I was talking about.

 

Gulltramarine chose seagulls as his inspiration. You said they are "Just vermin, really", and then went on to say that they are good at stealing food from kids and old people, and fouling statues.

 

The attitude you projected in that post was completely dismissive of something the OP clearly put a lot of thought into, and came across as very arrogant. And that was before you even got to the unwarranted criticism of his paint scheme.

 

And I have encountered similar attitudes among Tau players. All Tau players? No. That's why I specifically said "some".

 

Edit:

 

I don't want to argue with people in this thread. It just bugged me that the OP came up with a unique idea with a fairly well executed paint scheme by a non-professional painter, and people who are apparently brand new to the forum came it and started bashing it. I don't normally put much stock in post counts, but it just looks bad when someone has fewer than 10 posts and the first few of them come off as dismissive or rude.

 

If being rude wasn't your intent, then I apologize for taking it the wrong way. Perhaps you could try what I do: Re-read what I've typed and ask myself "Does this sound like I'm being a dick?"

 

Also Addressed in Order:

 

 

 

1) You have not addressed the point, you made a general connection between what I said about colour schemes and Tau player, specifically: 'a good example of why some people dislike Tau players', saying that my handle has Tau in it is irrelevant - how does me expressing a view about a colour scheme reflect on the army I play?

 

 

 

2) Ok, these things are definitely open to interpretation by different people (regardless of the army they play)

 

 

 

3) I wasn't sure, it might have been an imperial symbol...but I didn't want to jump to conclusions about someone based on their forum handle....

 

 

at no point did I say anything incorrect or untrue, if you lived near a coastline and saw the menace that seagulls can be, you may think differently. It was the very reason that I was trying to get to the core of why the OP made the choice he did, he deserves credit for original thinking, I just wanted to know why he picked what he picked as it was so unusual, and would not be a choice I would ever consider based on my experience.

 

 

Finally:

 

'And I have encountered similar attitudes among Tau players. All Tau players? No. That's why I specifically said "some". '

 

 

 

Ok, I won’t assume All Raven Guard players are 'being dicks' (to paraphrase your language), so to meet your standards, I will just assume "some" are.

[duz_]

Looks like its timeout time!

[Race Bannon]

Ok gang, the thread is being returned to Gulltramarine, as the OP it's his thread and he has decided to share his work with us.  The thread should be devoted to supporting his efforts, which is perfectly in line with the B+C Mission Statement:

 

 

 

The Bolter & Chainsword exists to help people better enjoy and understand the world of Warhammer 40,000 hobby and games set in the Warhammer 40,000 universe through constructive discussion.

 

Several posts were removed as they were clearly off-topic and/or detrimental to the thread.  Others were left as they pointed to the actions that lead to this post.

 

Here, in the Raven Guard forum, we should all want to nuture discussions with a focus toward this awesome Chapter and it's Successors, such as Gulltramarine's homegrown Chapter.  Having an opinion is easy to share, having the will to share it with the goal to help others is the challenge, even when you disagree with them.  Discussion doesn't have to be all rainbows and cupcakes, that's boring.  Yet, as duz_ suggested above, even in disagreement, there should be respect and honor with our words.

 

No matter what, if there are questions or concerns, please send a PM to myself, duz_ or any other Moderator.  If anyone feels the Mod Team has overstepped their mandate, then please contact Admin.

[SanguinaryGuardsman]

Ok that is a really well executed theme and nicely painted but man is it strange!

 

To me seagulls dont exactly inspire a vision of martial virtue in the 41st millennium but golly gee do I know about seagulls?

 

Maybe someone needs to do an armadillo themed iron hands army?

[Claws and Effect]

Could we get a frontal shot of your counts as Shrike? I'm curious how you got it to look like he is standing rather than the frolicking pose the official model is in.

 

Also, did you use the Solaq model for your CM?

[Gulltramarine]

Could we get a frontal shot of your counts as Shrike? I'm curious how you got it to look like he is standing rather than the frolicking pose the official model is in.

Also, did you use the Solaq model for your CM?

 

Yep, that was originally Solaq.

 

Here's Shrike from the front. It's not a great pic, the light in my room was poor, but I essentially chopped off the entire lower and right side of Shrike and used greenstuff to fill in the gaps. You can see there's a rough area around his abdomen that I tried covering up with a belt buckle and grenades and stuff. The claws were from a dark elf box set.

 

 

http://i.imgur.com/uctAzaA.jpg

[Gulltramarine]

Ok that is a really well executed theme and nicely painted but man is it strange!

 

To me seagulls dont exactly inspire a vision of martial virtue in the 41st millennium but :cuss do I know about seagulls?

 

Maybe someone needs to do an armadillo themed iron hands army?

 

I imagine these guys wouldn't be the full shilling. They'd be far more disorganised than a typical SM chapter, bicker with each other and rely more on aggression and speed. I was originally going to have a quirk of their geneseed being a sort of kleptomania, where they steal things off each other and other chapters. I didn't know that was a Blood Ravens thing until someone pointed it out.

[Palwatch]

hey dude, your army looks super sweet. Can you give an insight into the Narrative of the army? Homeworld etc? Was that sort of thing in your head when you created the chapter?

 

I love seeing so much conversion. A lot of people arent fond of teh bells and whistles, but I love seeing stuff added to models to make them distinctive!

 

First post, sorry if its a little energetic :)