toaae Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Model size, much like base-size, has almost nothing to do with the rules or the fluff and everything to do with what the model designers think looks best. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/33/#findComment-5181222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gederas Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Am I the only one that doesn't like the aesthetic decision to produce Loyalist primarchs as monstrous creature-sized models? Space Marines are already considered giants, but one can accept the idea of an 8 foot tall superman living among people who are a little more than half their size, but if you accept the idea that a normal adult male human would come up to about chest height on a Primaris Marine, then the idea of beings the size of Robby G living among societies of normal human beings gets a little absurd. Unless GW is making some kind of statement about the significance and heroism of the loyalist Primarchs by making the models outsized. How tall is the Guillman model anyway, in regards to approximate height? Primarchs should only be 10-12 feet tall excluding Magnus, and the Guilliman model always struck me as a bit odd regarding its proportions. Guilliman's model is about one-and-a-half times the height of a Deathwatch Space Marine. He's also the EXACT SAME height as his Forge world model. So him being around 10 to 12 feet tall is still represented by his model pretty accurately. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/33/#findComment-5181228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 The model isn't super tall. He has a raised scenic base and has bulky armour but size wise isn't too bad, especially next to Primaris. A Gravis Captain isn't far off! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/33/#findComment-5181279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gederas Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 The model isn't super tall. He has a raised scenic base and has bulky armour but size wise isn't too bad, especially next to Primaris. A Gravis Captain isn't far off! I was actually referring to Guilliman without his scenic base in regards to his height. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/33/#findComment-5181292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 They should bring back Sanguinius first. They should absolutely not! Sanguinius coming back invalidates so much regarding the Blood Angels. I don't even PLAY Blood Angels and I would prefer he not come back because it'd make so much of their story pointless. It doesn't have to at all just look at Guilliman - pretty much same thing here . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/33/#findComment-5181295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gederas Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 They should bring back Sanguinius first. They should absolutely not! Sanguinius coming back invalidates so much regarding the Blood Angels. I don't even PLAY Blood Angels and I would prefer he not come back because it'd make so much of their story pointless. It doesn't have to at all just look at Guilliman - pretty much same thing here . I have three words that shows that's not the same: The Black Rage Sanguinius death is one of the defining things for the Blood Angels. His resurrection would basically invalidate basically all of their storylines after the Horus Heresy and make them pointless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/33/#findComment-5181303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lephisto Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 My two guesses are: 1. Leman Russ, Lion El Johnson or Dorn 2. Fulgrim Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/33/#findComment-5181305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 His resurrection would basically invalidate basically all of their storylines after the Horus Heresy and make them pointless. It would not. Not even a little bit. However it's one of those topics that always end up getting too heated and this thread is not really about Sanguinius possible resurrection so I won't go further into detail. It's been discussed to death multiple times already anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/33/#findComment-5181307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spessmarine Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 My two guesses are: 1. Leman Russ, Lion El Johnson or Dorn 2. Fulgrim is dorn even alive? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/33/#findComment-5181369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 My two guesses are: 1. Leman Russ, Lion El Johnson or Dorn 2. Fulgrim is dorn even alive? They only found his hand (An Imperial Fist) Theories range from "being a prisoner" to "lost in the warp" to "faked his own Death" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/33/#findComment-5181386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Master Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 My two guesses are: 1. Leman Russ, Lion El Johnson or Dorn 2. Fulgrim is dorn even alive? Supposed to have died raiding a capital ship to stop a Black Crusade, but only his hand(s?) were ever found. I would say likely to return currently - Russ/ Lion, Vulkan & Dorn, Unlikely - Khan & Corax Very unlikely - Ferrus - Unless leading the Legion of the Damned Fluff breakingly no - Sanguinus DM Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/33/#findComment-5181394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spessmarine Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 They only found his hand (An Imperial Fist) Theories range from "being a prisoner" to "lost in the warp" to "faked his own Death" Didn't Curze foresee Dorn dying too? Not entirely sold on him being alive. Khan and Corax unlikely? Below Vulkan and Dorn? They were hinted at in Ashes of Prospero whereas the latter two pretty sure were not Supposed to have died raiding a capital ship to stop a Black Crusade, but only his hand(s?) were ever found. I would say likely to return currently - Russ/ Lion, Vulkan & Dorn, Unlikely - Khan & Corax Very unlikely - Ferrus - Unless leading the Legion of the Damned Fluff breakingly no - Sanguinus DM Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/33/#findComment-5181410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Sanguinius is a strong candidate because of his inherent strengths. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/33/#findComment-5181433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 We know just because your physical body dies does not mean your soul is dead. Mortarion chased his adoptives father around the warp collecting pieces of it to torture. We also know for a fact that Primarchs are made from warp stuff, making them even more attached to the warp than others. So Sanguinis and Manus may not have a body but their spirit still resides in the warp. So Manus could be Primarch of the Legion of the Damned, and Sanuinius is the Sanguinor. Able to will themselves into the physical realm for a short time before going back. Now Horus had his soul obliterated by the Emperor, so I don't see him coming back. However his replacement is Abaddon, whom could easilly reach Primarch levels due to chaos blessings. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/33/#findComment-5181442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lephisto Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Now Abaddon had his soul obliterated by the Emperor, so I don't see him coming back. However his replacement is Abaddon, whom could easilly reach Primarch levels due to chaos blessings. You mean Horus was obliterated... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/33/#findComment-5181457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Now Abaddon had his soul obliterated by the Emperor, so I don't see him coming back. However his replacement is Abaddon, whom could easilly reach Primarch levels due to chaos blessings. You mean Horus was obliterated... Yes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/33/#findComment-5181465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Keep it tidy gentleman. Inflammatory posts have been removed.Remember we're part of a constructive environment. No need for acerbic barbs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/33/#findComment-5181500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Master Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 Khan and Corax unlikely? Below Vulkan and Dorn? Vulkan - disappeared, fate open as he’s a perpetualDorn - presumed dead, but why only hands found?Khan - Trapped in Dark Eldar Webway, likely dead or insane from several millennia of tortureCorax - Last seen heading heading for the Eye of Terror in a small ship by himself, never going to end wellDM Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/33/#findComment-5181529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Master Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 Sanguinius is the Sanguinor. Able to will themselves into the physical realm for a short time before going back. Now Horus had his soul obliterated by the Emperor I’m sure Sanguinius was killed by Horus in a similar way, Horus was unable to defeat him physically (spoiler! indeed Sanguinius got in a pretty serious wound on Horus which allowed the Emperor to finally kill him when he realised Horus was irredeemable) and so unleashed the full psychic power on him destroying him and scarring the Blood Angel soul from then on causing the Black Rage In the short story of The Emperor v Horus, Sanguinius is not supppsed to have a mark on him, suggesting psychic attack DM Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/33/#findComment-5181535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I don't think it makes much sense to argue about the exact details of that battle since Black Library has yet to cover that one properly (we're getting there slowly but surely) and we already got told that not everything might be as we've been told so far. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/33/#findComment-5181540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hantheman Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 They'll have a chaos primarch for the main Chaos legions first. Make a 4 vs 1 for Gulliman and then Lion and Russ return once almost all is lost Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/33/#findComment-5181542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 That would be terrible as there are plenty of people who would play three in a list and all four if possible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/33/#findComment-5181822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 So? Let them play an all Primarch list if they really want to. People play Knight lists as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/33/#findComment-5181830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I saw in the BL subforum ADB basically said there are no plans to release more Primarchs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/33/#findComment-5181849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I saw in the BL subforum ADB basically said there are no plans to release more Primarchs. Can you provide a link/quote for context? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/339977-which-primarch-is-next-or-will-it-be-two/page/33/#findComment-5181851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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