Withershadow Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 They could change a few sentences in a few sections and it would change the entire game... so we just won't know until we get the books.Damn, I hate the waiting. But! We played tuesday with the new/old rule that every member of a unit can use one grenate in cc against walkers, stuff and MC. Well, just like before the last FAQ walkers are dead meat in cc again. I hope they changed other things as well which helps them. Oh, and here are some pics https://www.instagram.com/p/BbNd_e_gjZA/ Note, the rumors so far have only mentioned melta-bombs. It could very well be that regular grenades are not able to be used on per model. One would hope, since otherwise a lot of my already casual-level models like Vorax will be practically worthless against anything with a few krak grenades. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4934417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 They could change a few sentences in a few sections and it would change the entire game... so we just won't know until we get the books.Damn, I hate the waiting. But! We played tuesday with the new/old rule that every member of a unit can use one grenate in cc against walkers, stuff and MC. Well, just like before the last FAQ walkers are dead meat in cc again. I hope they changed other things as well which helps them. Oh, and here are some pics https://www.instagram.com/p/BbNd_e_gjZA/ Note, the rumors so far have only mentioned melta-bombs. It could very well be that regular grenades are not able to be used on per model. One would hope, since otherwise a lot of my already casual-level models like Vorax will be practically worthless against anything with a few krak grenades.I literally ordered three Vorax one day before the grenade bit was announced, so yeah. I know what you mean. -_- Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4934513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Would be cool to make it a bit more random. for example throwing grenades would go say d6 or 2d6 minus ballistic skill, so there is always a chance of scatter and no charge after throwing grenades. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4934516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Problem would be partially solved if krak grenades were the option costing points, just like in the old days. I think it will be one of the house rules in our group. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4934678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danarc Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Any news about release date? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4934713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 They put the rulebook into Angelus's slot for and delayed Angelus to book 9 slot. S they can make sure it is playtested, properly balanced and of the highest quality. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4934719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 So Christmas 2018? :P I mean 7th does need some major work...Krak multibombing is always so meh against basically everything but the smaller MCs and frankly MCs could do with some nerfing ;) And i use a lot of Boxnaughts as i tend to build larger formations, they sometimes pull off some crazy :cuss but mostly die :( (Which is 8th is more fun... :P ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4935051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Hopefully they will bring it up to 8th Edition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4935111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riptor Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Hopefully they will bring it up to 8th Edition. Oh, I hope not. I don;t dislike 8th edition particularly, but I enjoy having 2 separate game types to play. Problem would be partially solved if krak grenades were the option costing points, just like in the old days. I think it will be one of the house rules in our group. I absolutely agree. Even just a nominal points cost would mean that they might not always be there. As it is, any vehicle I have without 13 rear armour has to be terrified of infantry units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4935261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Hopefully they will bring it up to 8th Edition.Hope not. It's so dumbed down that I'd rather spend my time watching gras grow instead of playing that game. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4935283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danarc Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Hopefully they will bring it up to 8th Edition.I really hope not!A well adjusted 7th edition will be great. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4935331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Hopefully they will bring it up to 8th Edition.Hope not.It's so dumbed down that I'd rather spend my time watching gras grow instead of playing that game. http://i.imgur.com/NUQHGjX.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4935414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Hehe Where there any news when the new book will come? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4935424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 The problem is the player base will continue to shrink unless the game is updated. 7th was a blast with HH but I think it’d be even more fun with 8th edition rules. That’s just my opinion though and I understand how you feel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4935775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Get the updated rule book out now, then Angelus, which will have units configured to suit the rules. All Legions now covered, move on to the Prelude & Siege of Terra books Release Scouring plus 8th edition book Black book covering the legions Post-Terra (iron cage etc....) That way HH players get a 7th & 8th book to choose from plus legion lists and nobody's army gets invalidated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4935916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Get the updated rule book out now, then Angelus, which will have units configured to suit the rules. All Legions now covered, move on to the Prelude & Siege of Terra books Release Scouring plus 8th edition book Black book covering the legions Post-Terra (iron cage etc....) That way HH players get a 7th & 8th book to choose from plus legion lists and nobody's army gets invalidated. All legions covered except White Scars... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4935959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 My bad, but if 8th comes in for scouring, Scars will be in the prelude or siege of Terra, therefore legion units would be covered anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4935990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboosegg Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 after playing a few games of 8th im looking forward to this even more. hopefully they will fix a few of the issues from 7th but as a whole it works for heresy. 8th is simpler but suffers from its own major issues being created over the top codex rules and new power creep. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4936019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 What would be swell is if they were to use this a a FAQ/Errata opportunity. For example I'd love to see the Orbital Assault RoW allow infiltrating Recon Squads (right now I have to buy them a pod and hope that my opponent is cool with me deploying them as you know, a recon element). They could even limit the number able to do this if it was deemed too powerful but it's fluffy and sensible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4936027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 after playing a few games of 8th im looking forward to this even more. hopefully they will fix a few of the issues from 7th but as a whole it works for heresy. 8th is simpler but suffers from its own major issues being created over the top codex rules and new power creep. It’s not like 7th was anywhere near the best edition, far from it. Legions tend to be internally balanced so eighth shouldn’t be a problem. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4936141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Could we stop talk about 8th edition? A Mastodon peaking around corners, shooting all of it's weapons out of his ass gives me the creeps. ;) Instead we should fantasy about possible changes in Horus Heresy 1. edition. What could they've change without having to re-write the other red books? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4936175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 Let's park the 8th dicussion. This book is 7th. The Heresy is staying 7th. This is fact until we are told otherwise. If you would like to play 8th there are some very dedicated chaps creating a stonking ruleset just for that (one of which is at my local club so it sees a lot of play there!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4936261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snook Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 The stop talking door swings both ways. And there is a difference in expressing his owns hopes and declaring your prefered edition superior because you dislike XYZ about edition XX. "There's a famous movement of HH gamer elitism from a small but vocal subsection of the HH community." "The idea that HH staying 7th briefly, only long enough to set up a far-faster-than-anticipated change to 8th, is offensive to those kinds of people." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4936398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Let's park the 8th dicussion. This book is 7th. The Heresy is staying 7th. This is fact until we are told otherwise. If you would like to play 8th there are some very dedicated chaps creating a stonking ruleset just for that (one of which is at my local club so it sees a lot of play there!) Very much this. Shoving "I wish HH was 8th edition" posts into this thread is a waste of space and creates only strife. FW said HH stays with modified 7th ed. Unless they lied to us like they sometimes do, it is a fact. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4936452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 The stop talking door swings both ways. And there is a difference in expressing his owns hopes and declaring your prefered edition superior because you dislike XYZ about edition XX Except it doesn't, as one is definitely the edition we'll be playing and the other is people flooding threads with constant pleas of something that isn't happening. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/5/#findComment-4936456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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