BLACK BLΠFLY Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Yeah it is not like it is all that great to be honest. Could be awhile til y'all see an FAQ lol . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4968419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 It's not great unless you play dark angels, where on demand stasis Grenades can really swing things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4968429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 So based on early reports all we have are some combi weapons in need of a FAQ, something about a Grav Imploder, slightly better Vector Strike, more grenades in combat and replacement of invisibility Not much to get excited about? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4968512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Excited about seeing another faq Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4968543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Does the War Machine detachment for the LoW slot still work the same, because thats gonna impact whether or not I build this here Knight Cerastus... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4968548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Uhh... now that I check, they did change that, I'm afraid. It's a similar change to Sub-orbital Strike Wings, where you select from your own army list or the "Panoply of War" list (the Baneblade and Macharius chassis super-heavies, Marauder bombers, Thunderbolt & Avenger fighters, etc). Feels like an extremely regressive change, honestly. I'm comparing the new rulebook to the Legiones Astartes: AoD Army List's LoW choices, for whatever that's worth. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4968584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Excited to see regular use of alternative FOCs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4968629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadmus Tyro Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 May I ask, is there any change/clarification of the Glaive volkite Carronade or the boarding shield rules? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4968643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 The most stunning thing about that release are all the problems people have with stuff. What is it with Boarding Shields? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4968649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0nolith Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 The most stunning thing about that release are all the problems people have with stuff. What is it with Boarding Shields? And there was all these people that had all these problems with the Death of Hope trailer.... Am I seeing a pattern here? Is there there a segment of the Heresy community that just likes complaining? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4968655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellex_The_Thanatar Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 The most stunning thing about that release are all the problems people have with stuff. What is it with Boarding Shields? And there was all these people that had all these problems with the Death of Hope trailer....Am I seeing a pattern here? Is there there a segment of the Heresy community that just likes complaining? What the problem could be and often is, is that some subset complains just to make noise, another portion raises valid critiques. When the two post back to back it cheapens the fair critiques into looking like more squaking. As far as this book goes, by no means am I surprised there are already errors, I was so flattened by the lack of response by FW in regards to inferno's issues (talons list) that I am certain more errors would crop up. What actually blows my mind is that at most people's jobs, making huge errors that lead to customers taking issue with your product constantly would usually lead to...finding workers who have their skills together. Oh well. I have at least two people within 200km who want to give 30k a go again! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4968660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 So based on early reports all we have are some combi weapons in need of a FAQ,You can use the stats as written in the book without any problems. Maybe it is a typo but even if it is one it doesn't makes any problems in understanding how it works. It may be a little bit op (maybe), but that is nothing I would call "in need of a FAQ". Inferno is in need of an FAQ, because there are things in it we don't understand even if you are not a RAW maniac. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4968664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 The most stunning thing about that release are all the problems people have with stuff. What is it with Boarding Shields? Gee, could it be that most of these problems have been issues for a LONG time (in some cases years), and rather than address these long-standing problems with the opportunity presented by this new release, they introduced more head scratchers. I am not sure what the boarding shield question is referring to, except maybe how Marine reinforced armor is garbage in 30K compared to the same reinforced armor worn by the Nemean Reaver or the Solar Auxilia (theirs allows re-rolls of all saves against blasts/templates, so it actually works vs more than just flamers and frag grenades). And there was all these people that had all these problems with the Death of Hope trailer....<_< Am I seeing a pattern here? Is there there a segment of the Heresy community that just likes complaining? Yes, there are patterns everywhere, like the pattern of every complaint whether valid or ludicrous, never fails to draw a swarm of pompous white knights. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4968693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadmus Tyro Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 The most stunning thing about that release are all the problems people have with stuff. What is it with Boarding Shields? I was not complaining, merely asking a question from someone with a rulebook. The most stunning thing I have found about the Heresy is the inability to ask a reasonable question without you making an unecessarily argumentative response. The reason for asking the question was a vain hope that the +1 cover save from 6th would return, you know, to actually make boarding shields viable. But I’m quite happy if they didn’t, just curious. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4968735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Out of curiosity, do any of the rules updates make the destroyers (especially jump pack destroyers) worth their points at all? I remember when the red book came out, the destroyers had not been updated due to time constraints so they were not worth their points or relatively ineffective for what they were. Did this change at all with the updated rule book? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4968745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeratil Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Afraid not, this is just a reprint of the 7th ed rules, geared to HH with a few FAQ and update changes. No points changes to existing army lists etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4968747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 I was aware that point changes etc weer not included, I was just curious to see if any of the rules changes had made them better. No worries :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4968752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 27, 2017 Author Share Posted December 27, 2017 I will say, the layout of the book and general presentation is fantastic. Miles better than the old 7th ed book. If we get an FAQ fairly soon I'm not too fussed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4968782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 The most stunning thing about that release are all the problems people have with stuff. What is it with Boarding Shields? I was not complaining, merely asking a question from someone with a rulebook. The most stunning thing I have found about the Heresy is the inability to ask a reasonable question without you making an unecessarily argumentative response. The reason for asking the question was a vain hope that the +1 cover save from 6th would return, you know, to actually make boarding shields viable. But I’m quite happy if they didn’t, just curious. But I was really curious if there is any rule loophole reguarding Boarding Shields. Could have been, after all. Different groups have different problems and all that. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4968783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 I plan to pick up the rulebook when FW drops Varagyr (I've got a rather large Heresy purchase being prepped to kickstart my HH Wolves, it's been an EXTREMELY long wait lol). So is it confirmed that the alternate FOC's are legal for conventional use? Does this mean that RoW's can be used with them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4968815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riptor Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 I plan to pick up the rulebook when FW drops Varagyr (I've got a rather large Heresy purchase being prepped to kickstart my HH Wolves, it's been an EXTREMELY long wait lol). So is it confirmed that the alternate FOC's are legal for conventional use? Does this mean that RoW's can be used with them? It doesn't say you can't, so I would assume you can use RoWs with them. they seem to have purposely removed the 'opponents permission only' and 'no RoWs' comments from them. The four FOCs that are mentioned are the 'Crusade', 'Onslaught', 'Levithan' and 'Castellan' FOCs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4968875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 I plan to pick up the rulebook when FW drops Varagyr (I've got a rather large Heresy purchase being prepped to kickstart my HH Wolves, it's been an EXTREMELY long wait lol). So is it confirmed that the alternate FOC's are legal for conventional use? Does this mean that RoW's can be used with them? I like the sound of that!! I am holding out for Grey Slayer and Deathsworn.... I wanna add destroyers to the mix and create a mini 7th Black Cull Great Company of Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4968876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Uhh... now that I check, they did change that, I'm afraid. It's a similar change to Sub-orbital Strike Wings, where you select from your own army list or the "Panoply of War" list (the Baneblade and Macharius chassis super-heavies, Marauder bombers, Thunderbolt & Avenger fighters, etc). Feels like an extremely regressive change, honestly. I'm comparing the new rulebook to the Legiones Astartes: AoD Army List's LoW choices, for whatever that's worth. Whatever, at the end of the day we’ll just house rule it if we have to. That’s annoying though I really like the idea of indentured Knights serving Legions, kind of like how house Makabius is indentured to the Death Guard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4968894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Whatever, at the end of the day we’ll just house rule it if we have to. That’s annoying though I really like the idea of indentured Knights serving Legions, kind of like how house Makabius is indentured to the Death Guard. Good call! It's a stupid change, if intentional. But who knows anymore. Or maybe it's more for organized play, and they know many will just house rule like yourself? Also agree that there would probably be more indentured Knights like that all over the place in the Heresy. I could definitely see war bands of the VIIIth Legion "claiming" some Knight households, or Free Blades with compatible attitudes gravitating towards them, etc. For a while I've been entertaining the idea of lone House Atrax Knights being gifted to forces of the Warmaster that have pleased Archmagos Draykavac, as he basically treats that House like property. Lots of neat ideas to explore... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4968927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 I plan to pick up the rulebook when FW drops Varagyr (I've got a rather large Heresy purchase being prepped to kickstart my HH Wolves, it's been an EXTREMELY long wait lol). So is it confirmed that the alternate FOC's are legal for conventional use? Does this mean that RoW's can be used with them? It doesn't say you can't, so I would assume you can use RoWs with them. they seem to have purposely removed the 'opponents permission only' and 'no RoWs' comments from them. The four FOCs that are mentioned are the 'Crusade', 'Onslaught', 'Levithan' and 'Castellan' FOCs. Haha, everyone is doomed. Coils of the Hydra + Leviathan = GG. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340898-hh-rulebook-rules-updates-discussion/page/9/#findComment-4968976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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