Phoebus Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 To each their own, of course! :) First Claw was a tricky cast of characters. All of them hold at least one of their battle-brothers in contempt, to say the least. Despite their various flaws, however, each of them enters deadly situations over and over to rescue the rest. While First Claw did move against Ruven, this was because of his conflicting loyalties (and general attitude about Chaos, I think). Cyrion is probably the only one who depicted acting maliciously against another member, having taken advantage of Uzas’s insanity to pin murders on him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341232-could-someone-explain-variel-to-me/page/2/#findComment-4941214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascanius Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) Yeah, it definitely wasn't Talos's idea. But, uh, if you want happy endings, I think 40K is the wrong setting to be reading . . . Edited November 25, 2017 by mhacdebhandia Iron Father Ferrum 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341232-could-someone-explain-variel-to-me/page/2/#findComment-4941299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Yeah, it definitely wasn't Talos's idea. But, uh, if you want happy endings, I think 40K is the wrong setting to be reading . . . I think that is what the end of Void Reaver was all about. Everyone thought that Sep and Octavia had a happy ending. Variel found someone, who could continue Talos' vision of uniting the Legion again. Everything seems to be "fine" until his name was revealed. Well played, Aaron. Brother Lunkhead, DaBoiKyknos and Phoebus 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341232-could-someone-explain-variel-to-me/page/2/#findComment-4941410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoiKyknos Posted November 25, 2017 Author Share Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) But, uh, if you want happy endings, I think 40K is the wrong setting to be reading . . . Well, not necessarily for everyone. Just for the likeable people. Septimius and Octavia are humans, I´m a human, what´s not to like? They can kill as many Marines Errants as they like... (...) I think that is what the end of Void Reaver was all about. Everyone thought that Sep and Octavia had a happy ending. Variel found someone, who could continue Talos' vision of uniting the Legion again. Everything seems to be "fine" until his name was revealed. Well played, Aaron. Why would a Night Lord carry a "slave name", though? Edited November 25, 2017 by LordVelype Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341232-could-someone-explain-variel-to-me/page/2/#findComment-4941438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 In honor of his parents or that he's owned by Talos' legacy and shares his fate of unifying the Legion? Or he received his name from his parents and kept it. Who knows besides Aaron? ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341232-could-someone-explain-variel-to-me/page/2/#findComment-4941445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoiKyknos Posted November 26, 2017 Author Share Posted November 26, 2017 (edited) It could be simply a technical thing, not to confuse the reader even more on the very last page. I believe it is this. Edited November 30, 2017 by LordVelype Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341232-could-someone-explain-variel-to-me/page/2/#findComment-4941460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascanius Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I don't think it's a problem because it was only Talos's custom to rename his slaves. He's dead, it doesn't matter if Decimus has a "slave name". There isn't going to be an Undecimus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341232-could-someone-explain-variel-to-me/page/2/#findComment-4941587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 I took it as Variel's nod to Talos. By naming the child Decimus, he essentially makes him a "servant' to the vision Talos had but ultimately decided couldn't/didn't want to carry out. Brother Lunkhead and Wicced 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341232-could-someone-explain-variel-to-me/page/2/#findComment-4942528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascanius Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Good point, too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341232-could-someone-explain-variel-to-me/page/2/#findComment-4942568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Perhaps Aaron should write another NL trilogy with Decimus. Would be a smash hit. Only downside is it might delay the Black Legion series as he's a slow writer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341232-could-someone-explain-variel-to-me/page/2/#findComment-4946140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Perhaps Aaron should write another NL trilogy with Decimus. Would be a smash hit. Only downside is it might delay the Black Legion series as he's a slow writer. It'd sell like mad, for sure. But if I wanted to write for the coin, I'd be picking entirely different factions and time periods to write about. DaBoiKyknos, Kelborn and JH79 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341232-could-someone-explain-variel-to-me/page/2/#findComment-4946386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 The most lucrative projects would be (I think)... Finale of the Siege of Terra A new NL series by the guy who started it Anything set during or after Gathering Storm A new Space Wolves series? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341232-could-someone-explain-variel-to-me/page/2/#findComment-4946402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 The most lucrative projects would be (I think)... Finale of the Siege of Terra A new NL series by the guy who started it Anything set during or after Gathering Storm A new Space Wolves series? Custodians in 40K. Anything dealing with famous Chapters / famous Loyalist Characters and their Primaris Marines. Anything dealing with "advancing the timeline" and "explaining the Dark Imperium". Spoilers: It's the stuff Guy writes about most of the time. Kelborn and dcye 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341232-could-someone-explain-variel-to-me/page/2/#findComment-4946549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCagh Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 The most lucrative projects would be (I think)... Finale of the Siege of Terra A new NL series by the guy who started it Anything set during or after Gathering Storm A new Space Wolves series? Custodians in 40K. Anything dealing with famous Chapters / famous Loyalist Characters and their Primaris Marines. Anything dealing with "advancing the timeline" and "explaining the Dark Imperium". Spoilers: It's the stuff Guy writes about most of the time. So Guy is just in it for the coin then? grailkeeper 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341232-could-someone-explain-variel-to-me/page/2/#findComment-4946588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 The most lucrative projects would be (I think)... Finale of the Siege of Terra A new NL series by the guy who started it Anything set during or after Gathering Storm A new Space Wolves series? Custodians in 40K. Anything dealing with famous Chapters / famous Loyalist Characters and their Primaris Marines. Anything dealing with "advancing the timeline" and "explaining the Dark Imperium". Spoilers: It's the stuff Guy writes about most of the time. So Guy is just in it for the coin then? You have to really reach to get that from what I said, or believe I insinuated it. DarKnight 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341232-could-someone-explain-variel-to-me/page/2/#findComment-4946651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 The most lucrative projects would be (I think)... Finale of the Siege of Terra A new NL series by the guy who started it Anything set during or after Gathering Storm A new Space Wolves series? Custodians in 40K. Anything dealing with famous Chapters / famous Loyalist Characters and their Primaris Marines. Anything dealing with "advancing the timeline" and "explaining the Dark Imperium". Spoilers: It's the stuff Guy writes about most of the time. Are you saying this is what is selling, or what you expect to sell going forward? There doesnt seem to be a ton of fiction covering this already so the latter is my assumption. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341232-could-someone-explain-variel-to-me/page/2/#findComment-4946664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCagh Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 I was just being deliberately obtuse with your earlier comments But if I wanted to write for the coin, I'd be picking entirely different factions and time periods to write about. Custodians in 40K. Anything dealing with famous Chapters / famous Loyalist Characters and their Primaris Marines. Anything dealing with "advancing the timeline" and "explaining the Dark Imperium". Spoilers: It's the stuff Guy writes about most of the time. I wouldn't take anything I say very seriously Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341232-could-someone-explain-variel-to-me/page/2/#findComment-4946672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 I was just being deliberately obtuse with your earlier comments But if I wanted to write for the coin, I'd be picking entirely different factions and time periods to write about. Custodians in 40K. Anything dealing with famous Chapters / famous Loyalist Characters and their Primaris Marines. Anything dealing with "advancing the timeline" and "explaining the Dark Imperium". Spoilers: It's the stuff Guy writes about most of the time. I wouldn't take anything I say very seriously No worries, I just always need to be careful; some people like to invent controversy regardless of the harm it causes or the lack of truth within it, etc. The most lucrative projects would be (I think)... Finale of the Siege of Terra A new NL series by the guy who started it Anything set during or after Gathering Storm A new Space Wolves series? Custodians in 40K. Anything dealing with famous Chapters / famous Loyalist Characters and their Primaris Marines. Anything dealing with "advancing the timeline" and "explaining the Dark Imperium". Spoilers: It's the stuff Guy writes about most of the time. Are you saying this is what is selling, or what you expect to sell going forward? There doesnt seem to be a ton of fiction covering this already so the latter is my assumption. Oh, man, are you joking? Dark Imperium. Devastation of Baal. Carrion Throne. Emperor's Legion. Dante. Etc. These are the things people have been talking about constantly for almost a year, at this point, and are getting the lion's share of talk and attention. I'm not saying that's bad, but it's strange to see it disputed, if you get me. These are the ones giving "information" as well as good stories, and people crave information on the new metaplot, and how it affects the setting. Put Custodians on the cover of a 40K novel? Make bank. Talk about famous loyalist characters in the 'current' setting? Make bank. Also, the sky is up and water is wet. Anyone can do it so I'm not saying it's something unique to Guy (and to a lesser extent Chris), but it's definitely a thing. Guy's fast enough to write this kind of thing and Age of Sigmar as well; he writes (literally) 2-3 times as fast Chris, and 4-5 times faster than me. hopkins 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341232-could-someone-explain-variel-to-me/page/2/#findComment-4946683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoiKyknos Posted November 30, 2017 Author Share Posted November 30, 2017 Perhaps Aaron should write another NL trilogy with Decimus. Would be a smash hit. Only downside is it might delay the Black Legion series as he's a slow writer. It'd sell like mad, for sure. But if I wanted to write for the coin, I'd be picking entirely different factions and time periods to write about. Ooouh, the real Aaron Demski-Bowden in here! In earnest, I´ḿ honest. Well, I think the "open" end is ok. Also if we continue with what Decimus promised to be, shouldn´t the Night Lords become a LOT more important? P.S.: Decimus is Octavias child, right? Please don´t break my heart... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341232-could-someone-explain-variel-to-me/page/2/#findComment-4946691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Oh, man, are you joking? Dark Imperium. Devastation of Baal. Carrion Throne. Emperor's Legion. Dante. Etc. These are the things people have been talking about constantly for almost a year, at this point, and are getting the lion's share of talk and attention. I'm not saying that's bad, but it's strange to see it disputed, if you get me. These are the ones giving "information" as well as good stories, and people crave information on the new metaplot, and how it affects the setting. Put Custodians on the cover of a 40K novel? Make bank. Talk about famous loyalist characters in the 'current' setting? Make bank. Also, the sky is up and water is wet. Anyone can do it so I'm not saying it's something unique to Guy (and to a lesser extent Chris), but it's definitely a thing. Guy's fast enough to write this kind of thing and Age of Sigmar as well; he writes (literally) 2-3 times as fast Chris, and 4-5 times faster than me. *looks up from his work computer and notes the date* Forgive me, I was serious, but this year has been a beating for me. Point taken. :] Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341232-could-someone-explain-variel-to-me/page/2/#findComment-4946702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grailkeeper Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Custodians in 40K. The people have been calling out for a series about janitors in the far future since at least 3rd ed. Its up there with "Departmento Administratum: New Adventures in Filing" on every true fan's wishlist. Who are you to deny them? Brother Lunkhead and Akylas 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341232-could-someone-explain-variel-to-me/page/2/#findComment-4947978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascanius Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 I won't rest until we get a 16-part epic about the people who make cybercherubs. Phoebus and DaBoiKyknos 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341232-could-someone-explain-variel-to-me/page/2/#findComment-4949337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 I won't rest until we get a 16-part epic about the people who make cybercherubs. That would actually be a really grim job... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341232-could-someone-explain-variel-to-me/page/2/#findComment-4949342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascanius Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Allegedly, they're cloned, not made from actual babies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341232-could-someone-explain-variel-to-me/page/2/#findComment-4949351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 Yeah, Guy is a quick writer, kinda incredible actually. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/341232-could-someone-explain-variel-to-me/page/2/#findComment-4949964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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