b1soul Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Bjorn is still a "young upstart" type character during the Heresy, no? I think Abaddon would have more words with one of the senior Jarls. Bjorn would be a nobody to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 I agree. It will not be Lord Gunn, so there is always Ogvai, or Hvarl among a few others. Although at this point in the Heresy Bjorn is more than an upstart. Bear in mind during the Alaaxes affair (cant remember the name of the book), it was increasingly obvious that he was becoming Russ' confidante and the other Jarls could feel that things were changing, with Bjorn potentially being the catalyst (in the same book Russ said that Bjorn would be there to help lead the new changed wolves). I suspect it is part of the reason that Gunn is allowed to make his suicidal charge, because he was too entrenched in the old ways and could not or would not change. However within the context of the SoH, Bjorn would be a newcomer as they would be unaware of all that has transpired. Warpmiss and Sandlemad 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 My impression is that Bjorn is a young (but talented) warrior Russ has become fond of and likes to include in senior-level discussions. The established chieftains and champions just put up with it as it's the will of their Primarch. As you say, none of this is relevant or even known to Abaddon and I don't think he'll have much to say to Bjorn other than the something along the lines of "your cause is hopeless...die, loyalist fool" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warpmiss Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Well, it's true, most likely Abbadon has no idea of who Bjorn is at this point but depending on how the events are written leading to the confrontation between Russ and Horus it's possible, although not very likely, that a shared scene could happen. In any case, I hope some Sons of Horus/Space Wolves banter takes place because if it's just fighting it'd be disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 SW and SoH are two of most big-headed legions out there...the self-styled (or perhaps appointed) Executioners and the Warmaster's Sons. Massive egoes are guaranteed to clash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 And I was just starting to like you there B1. I think the ego thing is way overblown.... In Prospero Burns the Wolves state that they know their role and they were not disappointed that Russ was not named Warmaster because it was not their Wyrd. I think the big ego's would go to the likes of the Emperors Children (case in point Eidolons attitude on Murder). Warpmiss 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Has Bjorn lost his hand yet? Does Abaddon cut it off making Russ fly into a rage? ;) Horus may be Uber now but remember Sanguinius... could see a possible victory in his fight, so Horus must not be totally unstoppable That said I’m sure Horus doesn’t mind Russ escaping as his overwhelming victory is a great propaganda victory as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Bjorn lost his hand on Prospero, trying to kill a daemon that attacked Kasper Hawser. He got his claw a little time after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Russ will escape because Horus will start on a monologue :D Kelborn 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) And I was just starting to like you there B1. I think the ego thing is way overblown.... In Prospero Burns the Wolves state that they know their role and they were not disappointed that Russ was not named Warmaster because it was not their Wyrd. I think the big ego's would go to the likes of the Emperors Children (case in point Eidolons attitude on Murder). Big-headed as in having an attitude of exceptionalism... I agree with your EC assessment, and I think the DA and maybe the UM may have a bit of it as well, though not as bad. Wolf King covers the SW attitude of exceptionalism quite well...and there is no doubt the SoH think of themselves as the best of the best. @Mellow Sang's victory vision probably represented something like a 0.01% probability Edited November 20, 2017 by b1soul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Hm. Any takers on one of the more important subplots being Little Horus redemption? Long shot, but hey, why the hell not. You heard it here first. Warpmiss 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Ultra Twist: Horus Reveals to Russ that he is what he hates. He is an extremely powerful Psyker and through some Tom foolerly Horus and the Chaos gods force Russ's Pyskic awakening, sending Russ into a Coma. veterannoob and Plaguecaster 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Even longer odds but I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCagh Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Regarding the Sanguinius possibly surviving: For that fate to come to pass, Sanguinius would have had to accept Chaos' help against Horus. The only future in which he lives is the one where he replaces Horus and brings about the destruction of the Imperium. So unless Russ is willing to submit to the Primordial Truth(unlikely), he's probably going to get dominated by post Molech Horus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascanius Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Horus is not in the sphere of battle at Yarant by the time Corax arrives to find Russ grievously injured, so I guess either the fight occurs in space or Horus has been and gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascanius Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Also, the story where Bjorn gets the claw is actually set shortly post-Heresy, isn't it? Like the framing device in Corax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Timeline for the SW goes Prospero > Alaxxes (sp?) > Presumably Wolfbane > Yarant > Post-Terra? When did Russ have time to play chess on Terra as seen in Vengeful Spirit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caladancid Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 And I was just starting to like you there B1. I think the ego thing is way overblown.... In Prospero Burns the Wolves state that they know their role and they were not disappointed that Russ was not named Warmaster because it was not their Wyrd. I think the big ego's would go to the likes of the Emperors Children (case in point Eidolons attitude on Murder). If you read the short stories in Corax, the leader of the watch pack assigned to Corax says the wulfen curse is the weregeld for the Rout’s superiority to other Legions. In any event, the novella Weregeld seems to be required reading to see what happens to Russ when he goes up against Horus. He’s not just beaten physically, but emotionally, and it sure seems to be bc he thought he was Horus’s better. This isn’t to throw shade at the Rout. It seems to just be a fact. Personally I like the attitude (and no, I’m not a SW player). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Your profile pic says otherwise :D caladancid and Legio Draconis 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caladancid Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Your profile pic says otherwise :D Haha. That’s not a wolf! Sete 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCagh Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) For the SW timeline: I believe it's Prospero > Alaxxes > Helped/Saved from AL by DA castoffs > Terra (VS scene) > Leaves Terra to find Horus (probably much to Dorn's chagrin) > Meets the WS returning from Dark Glass (Path of Heaven ending) > tied down at Yarant (Wolfsbane story I assume) > Saved by Corax > Some point after he recovers he meets up with the Lion and they return to Terra, too late for the siege Edited November 20, 2017 by TheRealMcCagh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Bjorn is still a "young upstart" type character during the Heresy, no? I think Abaddon would have more words with one of the senior Jarls. Bjorn would be a nobody to him. Accidental upstart, I'd say. Bjorn gets his claw while the Wolves are laying low at Alaxxes, I believe. Lone Wolf is the post-Heresy short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChildofFang Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Wolfsbane is pre Yarant. Horus is not in the sphere of battle at Yarant by the time Corax arrives to find Russ grievously injured, so I guess either the fight occurs in space or Horus has been and gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Yes, I thought it was well-established that the SW view themselves as literally a breed apart from (and superior to) other legions. Alaxxes badly shakes up this view, but I have no doubt they've recovered most of their pride by the time they charge off to confront the SoH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Horus is not in the sphere of battle at Yarant by the time Corax arrives to find Russ grievously injured, so I guess either the fight occurs in space or Horus has been and gone. Im pretty sure that Corax states Horus has moved on to the Beta battlefield and left Abaddon and his cronies to finish off the Wolves...which they would have done had Corax not broken from his emo funk mid battle. caladancid 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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