Blood Angels Codex brief review

[FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants]

Hi James just read through this thread and I'm pretty excited by it all. Thanks for sharing. Just one question from me, do assault squads still have access to melts guns and plasmas, and do devastators still have access to heavy flamers?

[Charlo]

The succesor thing is mental as you can just play with key word BA and your own models. Boom, done.

 

Only restriction is no Seth.

 

Sorry, FT I guess

[JamesI]

Hi James just read through this thread and I'm pretty excited by it all. Thanks for sharing. Just one question from me, do assault squads still have access to melts guns and plasmas, and do devastators still have access to heavy flamers?

Yes to both

Just noticed Vindicators are down to 125 points. Might try them again.

[Jolemai]

• Confirmation on Tycho's melee potential please.

Regarding mechanised lists, is the only stratagem of note the Lucifer Engines? Do we have Killshot, Linebreaker, Data Telemetry equivalents?

Are heavy flamer Tacticals and meltagun RAS still a thing?

Have Drop Pods come down in points?

Any change to the frag cannon?

Do we have to use the Index for Characters on bikes?

[Anderer]

Also interesting to know, can our devastators still take heavy flamers?

Edit. Sorry, didn't notice that this was answered already.

Edited December 2, 2017 by Anderer

[Panzer]

Also interesting to know, can our devastators still take heavy flamers?

Dude...literally two posts above yours.

[Damon Nightman]

I think our unique units may not be getting too much love to leave room to make the primaris versions seems awesome down the road...

 

Thanks again James!

[FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants]

 

Hi James just read through this thread and I'm pretty excited by it all. Thanks for sharing. Just one question from me, do assault squads still have access to melts guns and plasmas, and do devastators still have access to heavy flamers?

Yes to bothJust noticed Vindicators are down to 125 points. Might try them again.

Excellent to know, thank you.

[NTaW]

Thanks for posting all this James!:tu:

 

Re. The killshot stratagem, if we do get it does it have to be three of the same Predators or can it be a mixed group of all the variants?

[JamesI]

I will check when I get home. No codex access right now

[TheHarrower]

Dang that's annoying. GW seems to really hate BA successors for some reason...maybe they're subtly trying to push us into a legion structure lol

Right. They hate successors and don’t want to sell you models unless you paint them as Blood Angels. Lol.

[Panzer]

 

Dang that's annoying. GW seems to really hate BA successors for some reason...maybe they're subtly trying to push us into a legion structure lol

Right. They hate successors and don’t want to sell you models unless you paint them as Blood Angels. Lol.

 

You know what I meant lol

[Cryptix]

 

 

 

Dang that's annoying. GW seems to really hate BA successors for some reason...maybe they're subtly trying to push us into a legion structure lol

Right. They hate successors and don’t want to sell you models unless you paint them as Blood Angels. Lol.

You know what I meant lol

The problem is there's going to be that cheesy :cusss that argues that a successor gets to use both Dante and Seth in one list.

[Panzer]

 

 

 

Dang that's annoying. GW seems to really hate BA successors for some reason...maybe they're subtly trying to push us into a legion structure lol

Right. They hate successors and don’t want to sell you models unless you paint them as Blood Angels. Lol.

You know what I meant lol

The problem is there's going to be that cheesy :cusss that argues that a successor gets to use both Dante and Seth in one list.

 

No cheese would allow that. Seth has the Flesh Tearers faction keyword and Dante the Blood Angels faction keyword. So unless you play a mixed detachment or two seperate detachments you won't be able to play them in the same list. However that doesn't explain why successors don't have access to any relics besides one.

[durdle-durdle]

Well, the thing is, if they don’t do anything with flesh tearers and others other than access to the one relic, that leads me to believe there may eventually be some expansion for it. Yes, it sucks if you were playing Gabriel Seth in your list, it’s going to handicap you hard. But that’s very few people. Want your lamenters to have access to blood angel relics? They’re yellow painted blood angels. It’s that simple. Want your special characters (which outside the chapter masters for ft and lamenters, I don’t think exist?). You trade some good relic options for that. Effectively, think of your successor chapter master as your relic (and you get a slightly better power sword), and you’re not far off. Again, it’s annoying, but it’s not as huge of a game breaking deal as you guys are making it out to be.

 

I did think of another gripe I have, but i’m Probably the only one with it:

 

Our terminators don’t have a gimmick. I guess strike of the archangels, but I’d be willing to bet deathwing get the same thing.

 

-dark angels can mix and match assault and tactical termies

-deathwatch have more heavy weapons and can throw them in kill teams

-grey knights are totally different and psychic and troops

-space wolves can kit each one out individually and don’t have to take fists on their tacticalesque termies

-codex marines had multiple patterns of armor

 

Now we’re just codex marines terminators with a neat stratagem I don’t know if I’d use, and expect to have copied, which will once again make our termies non-unique in any way.

[Panzer]

Well, the thing is, if they don’t do anything with flesh tearers and others other than access to the one relic, that leads me to believe there may eventually be some expansion for it. Yes, it sucks if you were playing Gabriel Seth in your list, it’s going to handicap you hard. But that’s very few people. Want your lamenters to have access to blood angel relics? They’re yellow painted blood angels. It’s that simple. Want your special characters (which outside the chapter masters for ft and lamenters, I don’t think exist?). You trade some good relic options for that. Effectively, think of your successor chapter master as your relic (and you get a slightly better power sword), and you’re not far off. Again, it’s annoying, but it’s not as huge of a game breaking deal as you guys are making it out to be.

We never said it's gamebreaking. Actually you repeated the same thing I said a few times before about how to handle it if you are playing a successor chapter.

[durdle-durdle]

 

 

Well, the thing is, if they don’t do anything with flesh tearers and others other than access to the one relic, that leads me to believe there may eventually be some expansion for it. Yes, it sucks if you were playing Gabriel Seth in your list, it’s going to handicap you hard. But that’s very few people. Want your lamenters to have access to blood angel relics? They’re yellow painted blood angels. It’s that simple. Want your special characters (which outside the chapter masters for ft and lamenters, I don’t think exist?). You trade some good relic options for that. Effectively, think of your successor chapter master as your relic (and you get a slightly better power sword), and you’re not far off. Again, it’s annoying, but it’s not as huge of a game breaking deal as you guys are making it out to be.

We never said it's gamebreaking. Actually you repeated the same thing I said a few times before about how to handle it if you are playing a successor chapter.

Not you specifically, but between dakka, here, and natfka, it looks like the world is falling.

[TheRealMcCagh]

To play devil's advocate here, why would Angel's Vermillion or whoever be given a Blood Angel relic? Dante probably wouldn't be leading an all successor strike force, which is why they don't allow that, so why would the Blood Angels just give them one of their relics to use in battle. Doesn't excluding successor chapters from using chapter relics make sense from a lore perspective?

[Panzer]

To play devil's advocate here, why would Angel's Vermillion or whoever be given a Blood Angel relic? Dante probably wouldn't be leading an all successor strike force, which is why they don't allow that, so why would the Blood Angels just give them one of their relics to use in battle. Doesn't excluding successor chapters from using chapter relics make sense from a lore perspective?

As before those relics are "just" examples. The galaxy is huge and it's not unlikely for those relics to have differently named equivalents elsewhere. 

Also your argumentation doesn't work for any other Codex. It's just a Blood Angels thing for some reason.

[durdle-durdle]

To play devil's advocate here, why would Angel's Vermillion or whoever be given a Blood Angel relic? Dante probably wouldn't be leading an all successor strike force, which is why they don't allow that, so why would the Blood Angels just give them one of their relics to use in battle. Doesn't excluding successor chapters from using chapter relics make sense from a lore perspective?

If you assume the successors wouldn’t have any sort of similar relics, then yes.

[TheRealMcCagh]

If you're doing a lore friendly recreational match than just ask your opponent and take that relic and call it something else. If your opponent isn't willing to budge on it, than just say your playing Blood Angels now and they can shove it. Do we know if Dark Angel successors can use DA relics? Or Space Wolves?

[durdle-durdle]

If you're doing a lore friendly recreational match than just ask your opponent and take that relic and call it something else. If your opponent isn't willing to budge on it, than just say your playing Blood Angels now and they can shove it. Do we know if Dark Angel successors can use DA relics? Or Space Wolves?

We’ll know about dark angels in a couple weeks, though I’d assume it’ll be similar.

 

Space wolves have no successors.

[Panzer]

Yeah we know the workarounds already. It's not rocket science. ^^

 

No we don't know anything about the DA or SW Codex yet.

[Frater Antodeniel]

In fact, regarding the Lamenters, the thing is as complicated as for the Flesh Tearers, for like the FT, the Lamenters have a named character (Malakim Phoros), and if you want to stricly follow the rules, then you cannot have Malakim Phoros in a "Yellow Blood Angels" army, because Malakim Phoros is tagged as LAMENTERS. If you want the relics, then you cannot take Malakim Phoros, but if you want Malakim Phoros, then you deny yourself 5/6 of the relics. (A shame, most notably considering how fitting is the STANDARD OF SACRIFICE for the Lamenters....).

[Chaplain Gunzhard]

 

To play devil's advocate here, why would Angel's Vermillion or whoever be given a Blood Angel relic? Dante probably wouldn't be leading an all successor strike force, which is why they don't allow that, so why would the Blood Angels just give them one of their relics to use in battle. Doesn't excluding successor chapters from using chapter relics make sense from a lore perspective?

If you assume the successors wouldn’t have any sort of similar relics, then yes.

Right but most of these successor chapters are second founding or at least have been around for long enough to acquire their relics of equal importance.